Free Agency Compensation must be abolished

[WilloTree]

IM ok with this also.

Same with Academy players. You get the chance to get them, but you need to pay the equivalent value.

The fact they are a f/s or an academy player should only give you the chance to bid on them, not get a discount.

I'm OK with it as well.

The only problem is that the points system is rubbish. The only real value of Pick 1, is what someone is willing to pay.

If a club wants a father-son and they are valued at pick 1, they can trade to get pick 1. It's really not that complicated.

The mechanism is already there without the AFL micro-managing the clubs to get father/sons

 

[WilloTree]

Battle 8 vs Graham 42

that is all-time corruption levels

why even pretend you are following a 'system'?

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but there's no world a club trades pick 8 for Battle. It's such a broken system, yet the AFL stick their head in the sand year after year and pretend it's fine.

 

[Seedsfan]

Compensation needs to go it doesn’t help the game at all. It’s just a joke

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but there's no world a club trades pick 8 for Battle. It's such a broken system, yet the AFL stick their head in the sand year after year and pretend it's fine.

yes, and obviously it's the value gap between pick 8 and pick 42 that is the issue, I'm not arguing for Graham to be higher.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Band 1 free agent moves:

Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

(Saints to Hawks)
Harry Perryman

12

Harry Perryman

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

(GWS to Pies)
Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

(North to Essendon)
Joe Daniher (Essendon to Brisbane)
Zac Williams (GWS to Carlton)
Tom Lynch (GC to Tigers)
James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

(Melbourne to Hawks)
Lance Franklin (Hawks to Sydney)
Dale Thomas (Pies to Carlton)
Brendan Goddard (Saints to Essendon)

Interesting thing about this list is not a single one of these free agents have moved to a small club. The closest thing to a “downgrade” in clubs is the Daniher move, but Brisbane is hardly a small club. These big name free agents are almost always (at least from 2014 onwards) moving from a small club to a big club. And nearly every single one has moved to a MCG tenant.

So no, I don’t think free agency compensation should be abolished. The entire system exists to favour sides who already enjoy competitive advantages.

The full time Marvel tenants, and the interstate sides that didn’t come out of Vic (Sydney and Brisbane), haven’t got a single big name free agent out of this system.

I am, however, in favour of watering down the compensation. All the bands should be downgraded one step (so highest compensation being end of R1) and unrestricted free agents should be downgraded an additional step.

 

[iameviljez]

If a club wants a father-son and they are valued at pick 1, they can trade to get pick 1. It's really not that complicated.

this sounds good in theory, but in reality it's impractical IMO.

So let's say we get to draft night, and a club has a F/S player who's expected to be called out at, say, #5 - so they trade into that pick.

What happens if someone then calls out the player at #1? The club won't have the currency to immediately pull off an on-the-night pick swap into #1.

Alternatively, what if they get to pick 5, the player is still on the board, so the club (rightly) takes a regular player with their pick, and then the player doesn't called out to pick 30, so the club traded into p5 for nothing?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Not surprised a fan from a Melbourne based club would say this.

It is the non-Victorian clubs that suffer from this more, and it is also harder for the non-Victorian clubs to get free agents too. Teams like GWS and Gold Coast would be screwed if Free Agency compensation was not a thing.

That’s a little bit rich the northern clubs get a decent advantage to with the academy system basically getting first round picks for for big discounts year after year

 

[Blackas87]

James Frawley (Melbourne to Hawks)
Lance Franklin (Hawks to Sydney)

I’ve been going on about this here for 10 years now.
Hawks lose Buddy, get compensated and a year later have the cap space to sign Frawley.

Losing a free agent you gain cap space. Why do you need to be compensated through the draft?

If anything you should only be compensated after maybe 3 years of losing a free agent without making significant gains to the roster. Not 100% sure how it would work but a better system to avoid team getting compensated and signing free agents with the cap space.

Hypothetically the Saints got pick 8 and now will have the cap space to sign Jacob Weitering next year. Pick 8 and Weitering for Battle?

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

I’ve been going on about this here for 10 years now.
Hawks lose Buddy, get compensated and a year later have the cap space to sign Frawley.

Losing a free agent you gain cap space. Why do you need to be compensated through the draft?

If anything you should only be compensated after maybe 3 years of losing a free agent without making significant gains to the roster. Not 100% sure how it would work but a better system to avoid team getting compensated and signing free agents with the cap space.

Hypothetically the Saints got pick 8 and now will have the cap space to sign Jacob Weitering next year. Pick 8 and Weitering for Battle?

Why have trades at all then? Why not just let players move freely between clubs with no exchanging of picks?

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Not surprised a fan from a Melbourne based club would say this.

It is the non-Victorian clubs that suffer from this more, and it is also harder for the non-Victorian clubs to get free agents too. Teams like GWS and Gold Coast would be screwed if Free Agency compensation was not a thing.

Sydney got Lance Franklin through free agency.

It’s not a “Vic vs non-Vic” thing. It’s a big club (particularly MCG tenants) vs small club thing.

Though I agree re: compensation. Taking it away only benefits those who already enjoy massive competitive advantages.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Richmond getting bent by the AFL whats new? Corruption at its finest

Finals 8 out of the past 12 years

3 premierships in the past 8

Stamp of approval for Tom Lynch in free agency to go for several hundreds of thousands less a season than GC put forward

Opening game of the season for all but 2 since 2014

Constantly receiving marquee and prime time slots

The AFL definitely have it out for Richmond

 

[Blackas87]

Why have trades at all then? Why not just let players move freely between clubs with no exchanging of picks?

Well in my opinion which I’ve stated on Big Footy many times over the years I wouldn’t have a draft at all, so there will be no picks exchanged in trades. Every time you’re are out of contract you are free to sign anywhere you like. Anytime you are under contract the club can trade you for other players. This is a different conversation though.

Currently there is a draft, clubs can trade you before you before you hit free agency in exchange for picks.