First club to 17 premierships?

[little_ripper]

Another 3peat and we will be equal with Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon….

Hawthorn will/are the most successful club in the AFL. Have averaged a flag every 5 years for the past 45 years. Consistently, like clockwork.

So yeah maybe they aren’t “first to 17”. But if not they will be eventually the most successful club in the games history.

Collingwood might as well. They just always get the players they want. Always have.

 

[Hawkk]

Thread isn't about equalling it's about #17

In 1960 the Pies had 13 flags, the Dees 12, the Dons 10, Carlton and Fitzroy had 8 and Richmond and Geelong 5 and Hawthorn…0

65 years later, the Pies, Dons and Blues all have 16 and the Hawks, Tigers and Dees all have 13. Talk about a tale of two halves…

 

[Call Me Cake]

Hawthorn will/are the most successful club in the AFL. Have averaged a flag every 5 years for the past 45 years.

Recency bias. 13 flags is not the most successful and they were irrelevant between 1991 and 2008 which was a large chunk of the AFL era, but they'll tell themselves anything cos that's how biased they are

 

[HolyWars]

My guess is Collingwood will get to 17 first.

 

[Hawkk]

Recency bias. 13 flags is not the most successful and they were irrelevant between 1991 and 2008 which was a large chunk of the AFL era, but they'll tell themselves anything cos that's how biased they are

In a 16 team competition (for the most part of that timeframe), a 17 year ‘drought’ is expected. That said, Hawthorn has gone down three times in the AFL era (1995-1999, 2003-06 and 2019-2023) which is a far different approach to the Swans, Cats and Pies.

The Lions and Eagles have a similar yo-yo

 

[craffles]

In a 16 team competition (for the most part of that timeframe), a 17 year ‘drought’ is expected. That said, Hawthorn has gone down three times in the AFL era (1995-1999, 2003-06 and 2019-2023) which is a far different approach to the Swans, Cats and Pies.

The Lions and Eagles have a similar yo-yo

Very interesting case studies, I think some of the most common themes with all the recent dynasties (Tigers, Hawks, Geelong, Lions) include:

1. Home grown stars willing to take below market value for team success.

2. A healthy dose of affordable mature tops up from other clubs.

3. Fresh draftees ready to make an impact (Selwood 07, Cyril and Dan Rioli etc)

4. Didn’t waste big draft capital or TPP $ on rucks. Most of them had role playing rucks at best, some of them had genuine hacks. Clubs need to let Rucks asking for big $ walk more often (dogs & Tim English perfect example)

 

[GC2015]

Is Fitzroy/Brisbane an option to reach 17 flags first? They've combined for 12 premierships to date.

 

[beerbandit]

My guess is Collingwood will get to 17 first.

Hawthorn are favourites for the flag this year and rightfully so, Pies are in a handful of sides that could potentially challenge Hawks to the 2025 Flag, so yes on that you’d say they are best placed to get to 17 first, as Carlton & Essendon are miles off ATM.

 

[paullions]

Brisbane

End thread.

 

[Cyclops]

Is Fitzroy/Brisbane an option to reach 17 flags first? They've combined for 12 premierships to date.

Pls this has been done to death. 2 different clubs.

 

[Pistol Night]

Pls this has been done to death. 2 different clubs.

Like Port having 1 AFL flag and 736 SANFL flags so thinking they're on 737

 

[craffles]

Like Port having 1 AFL flag and 736 SANFL flags so thinking they're on 737

Something something vic bias something west end something stobie frog cake something something Kane Cornes.

 

[The Jack]

Will be the Saints. Will happen in 2040.

Bookmark it.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

would not surprise if carlton and essendon go another 50 years without a flag

 

[Carringbush2010]

Is Fitzroy/Brisbane an option to reach 17 flags first? They've combined for 12 premierships to date.

No, they're different clubs and never merged, FFC still competes today in the VAFA

 

[Kavliaris69]

IMO the Pies will be the first to 17 flags (Bombers second). But I believe Hawks will be the first to 20 over the next 20-30 years.

 

[Pistol Night]

Will be the Saints. Will happen in 2040.

Bookmark it.

Winning 16 flags in a row after 1 in 130 years will be a reasonable turnaround

 

[Freomaniac]

My guess is Collingwood will get to 17 first.

I originally said richmond.... now I am predicting hawks

 

[Roddy]

We have not gone a calendar decade without at least one flag since the 1950s.
Since then, we have 13 flags. Pies have 3, Blues have 8 (and nothing for 3 decades), Bombers have 6 (and nothing for a quarter of a century), Cats have 5, Tiges have 6. Dees have 3.
And yeah, sure, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but I wouldn't bet against us...

 

[Pistol Night]

We have not gone a calendar decade without at least one flag since the 1950s.
Since then, we have 13 flags. Pies have 3, Blues have 8 (and nothing for 3 decades), Bombers have 6 (and nothing for a quarter of a century), Cats have 5, Tiges have 6. Dees have 3.
And yeah, sure, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but I wouldn't bet against us...

Who the **** buys a calander for the whole decade?

 

[DidakDelight]

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That’s where my money would be.
Something about the colours Brown and Gold. I don’t like them but they have an aura about them.

With Collingwood’s record, surely their fortunes change and they yield - flags in a decade.

 

[The Jack]

Winning 16 flags in a row after 1 in 130 years will be a reasonable turnaround

Yes it will. It will be magnificent.

 

[Cyclops]

Who the **** buys a calander for the whole decade?

I think we've found James Sicily's account.

He buys old calenders and manually changes the dates with little printed labels, and gives them as presents.

 

[Hawkk]

We have not gone a calendar decade without at least one flag since the 1950s.
Since then, we have 13 flags. Pies have 3, Blues have 8 (and nothing for 3 decades), Bombers have 6 (and nothing for a quarter of a century), Cats have 5, Tiges have 6. Dees have 3.
And yeah, sure, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but I wouldn't bet against us...

Just need to lose a grand final and we’ll be good for four-in-a-row. That’ll get us flag #17

1975 led to 1976 (and 1978)
1984-85 led to 1986
1987 led to 1988-89
2012 led to 2013-14-15
Could 2025 lead to 2026-27-28-29?

We need to tank this year to the Lions (I was hoping we’d do it last year). And I’ll buy that calendar…

*past performance is no indicator for future returns

 

[terrybull]

Something something vic bias something west end something stobie frog cake something something Kane Cornes.

Nothing like it at all. Same club but two different competitions.