News Eddie McGuire to step down end of 2021

[ZEV]

Pretty sad to see and read all the vitriol directed towards Eddie, especially from Collingwood supporters.

I've read a thousand times more spiteful comments directed at him than he could possible have deserved.

Don't we all like to sink the boots in when someone is vulnerable...

 

[jmac70]

Pretty sad to see and read all the vitriol directed towards Eddie, especially from Collingwood supporters.

I've read a thousand times more spiteful comments directed at him than he could possible have deserved.

Don't we all like to sink the boots in when someone is vulnerable...

Vulnerable? That’s hilarious

 

[Laphroaig]

You said they were not sackable offences and, clearly that has been the case for Ed. My point is that in some workplaces they would be, especially cumulatively. You can choose to believe this or not. Prior to his comments about Adam Goodes, Ed said that Collingwood has 'zero tolerance towards racism'. Not sure what this means to him but clearly has not affected his position at the club. It's no good saying 'it's time to go', as that time was years ago. He is clearly untouchable and, even now, permitted to control the agenda.

His apology last night was another non-apology. He apologised for giving the impression that he was proud of Collingwood's history of racism. No one really thought that that was what he was saying. What was offensive was that he was taking great pains to pat himself on the back for commissioning the review and stressing what strength this took. This was his priority over apologising for the mistakes, being humbled by the report's content and committing to make reparation to those affected.

I come in peace.

This is the part that is incomprehensible. It is an absolute of effective crisis management in a public organisation that in a situation like this the ONLY appropriate first statement is "We screwed up". Nothing beginning with "but", no silver linings, definitely no pride. For whatever reason it is you claim to be proud.

The time for silver linings, balancing positives and "but" comes later. Maybe even pride can have a run. Later - not on the day of the explosion.

Play things in that order and there sometimes doesn't even need to be an execution.

From the outside it almost feels like Ed has come to believe that he can talk his way out of anything and emerge shiny and clean. He may even have an evidence based reason to believe that, at least until now.

 

[Len Smith Medallist]

Pretty sad to see and read all the vitriol directed towards Eddie, especially from Collingwood supporters.

I've read a thousand times more spiteful comments directed at him than he could possible have deserved.

Don't we all like to sink the boots in when someone is vulnerable...

Surely this is a forum for honest discussion. I don't see it as putting the boots in, rather calling it for what it is.

 

[foreigner]

You said they were not sackable offences and, clearly that has been the case for Ed. My point is that in some workplaces they would be, especially cumulatively. You can choose to believe this or not. Prior to his comments about Adam Goodes, Ed said that Collingwood has 'zero tolerance towards racism'. Not sure what this means to him but clearly has not affected his position at the club. It's no good saying 'it's time to go', as that time was years ago. He is clearly untouchable and, even now, permitted to control the agenda.

His apology last night was another non-apology. He apologised for giving the impression that he was proud of Collingwood's history of racism. No one really thought that that was what he was saying. What was offensive was that he was taking great pains to pat himself on the back for commissioning the review and stressing what strength this took. This was his priority over apologising for the mistakes, being humbled by the report's content and committing to make reparation to those affected.

Well past time to go!

There are many instances of his zero tolerance stances and hypocrisy ... remember covid bubble breaches, Jack Steven issue, drug bans etc etc

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

As I've repeatedly said elsewhere, I'm not wedded to Ed. Conversely I'm apprehensive about what change will bring.

For all his foibles, Ed has been a positive impact upon the club. You can't say that for every President.

I can understand how people can get their noses out of joint about some of his activity but I'm more happy to segregate that which occurs internally of the CFC from that which occurs externally. Some can't, I understand that. If he owned a shoe store instead of being Mr Media he wouldn't have the platform for the vast majority of what you suggest have been issues. Which other president is subjected to that same level of scrutiny? None. And it's purely because he's a media personality and it's good fodder.

Yes, he chose to marry the 2 roles. Yes, he must have anticipated what that would entail. But I think much of it is over the top.

People need to be careful what they wish for.

Whilst I largely agree with your post, saying “ careful what you wish for” is a stretch.

After 22 years and in the current circumstances, fresh leadership is due. The only question now is when we get that new leadership.

Hopefully the club express tracks the transition and Eddie doesn’t leave the club distracted by his presence because he wants to hang around until the end of the season.

 

[ZEV]

Vulnerable? That’s hilarious

At the end of the day he is still a human being who has volunteered his time for 23 years and we all are taking a free hit because 8 years ago some campaigner called another campaigner a name and because of some bullshit hatchet job review a man who has done more for the indigenous community than most is being labelled a racist.

 

[jmac70]

At the end of the day he is still a human being who has volunteered his time for 23 years and we all are taking a free hit because 8 years ago some campaigner called another campaigner a name and because of some bullshit hatchet job review a man who has done more for the indigenous community than most is being labelled a racist.

The club has accepted the recommendations, I applaud Eddie and his board for making this commitment. I can only assume you do not share this view, given you don’t believe it is credible. I can only assume then you think Eddie is wrong?

 

[ZEV]

The club has accepted the recommendations, I applaud Eddie and his board for making this commitment. I can only assume you do not share this view, given you don’t believe it is credible. I can only assume then you think Eddie is wrong?

The club has accepted the conditions because in the current political climate there is no way an organization can defend against such an accusation without causing more damage to the brand.

I don't agree with the methodology of the report. I believe that the leaking of the report and the key use of a word more associated with medical conditions by an author and a complainant is not only lazy but entirely laughable.

I believe Eddie is in a no-win situation. A racist I believe he is not.

 

[jmac70]

The club has accepted the conditions because in the current political climate there is no way an organization can defend against such an accusation without causing more damage to the brand.

I don't agree with the methodology of the report. I believe that the leaking of the report and the key use of a word more associated with medical conditions by an author and a complainant is not only lazy but entirely laughable.

I believe Eddie is in a no-win situation. A racist I believe he is not.

I suspect you may be right about Ed not really believing the report. All the more reason for him to stand down now.

 

[ZEV]

I suspect you may be right about Ed not really believing the report. All the more reason for him to stand down now.

I didn't say that at all. What I will add is that the report seemingly only mentions racism against players of indigenous and African descent (particularly point ten). Too bad for all the other ethnicities of the world i guess. Doesn't seem very inclusive to me

 

[jmac70]

I didn't say that at all. What I will add is that the report seemingly only mentions racism against players of indigenous and African descent (particularly point ten). Too bad for all the other ethnicities of the world i guess. Doesn't seem very inclusive to me

So you think Ed should stay and pretend to be interested in the recommendations?

 

[Maggie5]

Too bad for all the other ethnicities of the world i guess. Doesn't seem very inclusive to me

Given the review doesn't go into such specifics, we don't know that for a fact.

I believe they interviewed 30 people, maybe it did include others from an ethic background.

I know in the days of the Rocca brothers, the crowds at games were often racially abusive toward them.

 

[ZEV]

So you think Ed should stay and pretend to be interested in the recommendations?

It's very dangerous to assume or do other people's thinking for them.

Personally, I would be finding the source of the leak.

Do you agree with all the recommendations of the review?

Do you agree with all its findings?

Do you feel it was unbiased and independent?

Do you feel it was thorough and professional?

 

[jmac70]

It's very dangerous to assume or do other people's thinking for them.

Personally, I would be finding the source of the leak.

Do you agree with all the recommendations of the review?

Do you agree with all its findings?

Do you feel it was unbiased and independent?

Do you feel it was thorough and professional?

I accept that it was not a forensic review. Despite this I whole heartedly accept the findings, and I’m excited by what our club can become.

Anyone who has supported our club for a decent length of time, knows we have issues with racism. We have not had the systems or will to deal with it properly. Now we have that opportunity.

Ed is not the man to see this through. How can he be, given he is one of the historical incidents of racism mentioned in the report! Only last year in a documentary he attempted to justify the wearing of black face by Newman in 1999.

He doesn’t get it, and never will (IMO). His announcement of a proud day is all the further proof anyone needs.

Yes, Ed has done great things for the club, and the current state of affairs is painful. But it’s time, he simply must go. I hope the people he loves can make him see this over the next few days.

Until he leaves, we cannot heal and grow into the progressive club we are capable of.

 

[ZEV]

Given the review doesn't go into such specifics, we don't know that for a fact.

I believe they interviewed 30 people, maybe it did include others from an ethic background.

I know in the days of the Rocca brothers, the crowds at games were often racially abusive toward them.

I was referring to point 10 of the recommendations where we should proactively support only certain members of the community (one would assume on the basis of their ethnicity.

1. That the Collingwood Football Club develop a clear pipeline for the development of talent from diverse communities into the Club and which proactively supports First Nations and people of colour into post-playing positions within the Club and AFL, particularly coaching;

 

[Maggie5]

I was referring to point 10 of the recommendations where we should proactively support only certain members of the community (one would assume on the basis of their ethnicity.

1. That the Collingwood Football Club develop a clear pipeline for the development of talent from diverse communities into the Club and which proactively supports First Nations and people of colour into post-playing positions within the Club and AFL, particularly coaching;

I would have thought that the bold 'diverse communities' covers your point. I took that as covering other people.

Do you think that white people are missing out on post playing/coaching because they are white?

Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[jmac70]

I was referring to point 10 of the recommendations where we should proactively support only certain members of the community (one would assume on the basis of their ethnicity.

1. That the Collingwood Football Club develop a clear pipeline for the development of talent from diverse communities into the Club and which proactively supports First Nations and people of colour into post-playing positions within the Club and AFL, particularly coaching;

It’s called affirmative action and exists in many work places. I was calling for this years ago.

 

[ZEV]

I would have thought that the bold 'diverse communities' covers your point. I took that as covering other people.

Do you think that white people are missing out on post playing/coaching because they are white?

Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

Its the second part of the suggestion that is troublesome.

"which proactively supports First Nations and people of colour into post-playing positions within the Club and AFL, particularly coaching"

Proactively definition;

Adverb

"(of a person or action) creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."

Oxford Definitions


Are you comfortable in a situation where the Club creates or controls a situation supporting employment of two groups of people based on their racial backgrounds rather than being an equal opportunity employer?

 

[jmac70]

Its the second part of the suggestion that is troublesome.

"which proactively supports First Nations and people of colour into post-playing positions within the Club and AFL, particularly coaching"

Proactively definition;

Adverb

"(of a person or action) creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."

Oxford Definitions


Are you comfortable in a situation where the Club creates or controls a situation supporting employment of two groups of people based on their racial backgrounds rather than being an equal opportunity employer?

Why is this troublesome?

 

[Maggie5]

Are you comfortable in a situation where the Club creates or controls a situation supporting employment of two groups of people based on their racial backgrounds rather than being an equal opportunity employer?

No, I am in favour of equal opportunity.

However without knowing who applied/was interviewed for what positions, I am not in a position to say whether this has been based on merit or just 'jobs for the boys'.

 

[ZEV]

Why is this troublesome?

What about inclusion for all my Asian brothers and sisters? My Middle Eastern cousins? My European neighbors? Or are we just trying to proactively support indigenous and minorities of people of color?

 

[ZEV]

No, I am in favour of equal opportunity.

However without knowing who applied/was interviewed for what positions, I am not in a position to say whether this has been based on merit or just 'jobs for the boys'.

The suggestion was in the report that we control a situation as a football club where we proactively support Indigenous and people of color with no mention to any other minorities. In effect we artificially create a situation where some people are more equal than others.

 

[jmac70]

What about inclusion for all my Asian brothers and sisters? My Middle Eastern cousins? My European neighbors? Or are we just trying to proactively support indigenous and minorities of people of color?

Do you know the difference between equality and equity?

 

[Maggie5]

The suggestion was in the report that we control a situation as a football club where we proactively support Indigenous and people of color with no mention to any other minorities. In effect we artificially create a situation where some people are more equal than others.

I have taken 'diverse communities' much broader than you seem to have.

There is nothing to suggest that some people are more equal than others in my reading of the review.

You seem to be jumping from one point (which I answer) to another.

Anyway this thread is about Eddie.