Multiplat Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[StFly]

While everyone is sharing their opinions of DA2, mine is I blame Mass Effect. DA2 was trying to create a fantasy game out of Mass Effect. Bioware came from CRPGs and Origins was their first fantasy game post D&D games and the DNA was still there. Origins marks the end of the classic RPG era of Bioware that brought us things like BG and NWN and as good as ME was it was the moment they changed direction. ME was a hit and ME2 refined that and Dragon Age's fate was sealed.

On my end, and I am in a video at a smallish Geelong LAN that a friends brother ran as saying: "GetF- EA" ampngst about a hundred or so people, as the start of the downfall of Bioware. Later as their promos grew it was "EA: Eat my Ass" for "in the game" as they just kill creativity for mass produced deadlines and rehashing assets.

ME deserves to be held up on high, that OG trilogy was OG, beautiful Bioware deciding "We're comfortable woith RPG, let's try action" to start that development. That was their ideas, that was their stories, that was what they wanted since console went otherwise on a first attempt so stick with PC was dcecided.

Dragon Age, Dragon Age was Bioware Mythics magnum opus, so EA hadn't fully stuck the talons in but they had started, so creativeity could still arise and people could still tell a story. Thus, DA:O exists.

It's then a testament to those two entities originally to have such longstanding and generally well thought out multiple games in those franchises, it's just, and the reason I blame EA primarily. As you go along those options, as you progress;

Things are slightly more rushed.
Things are slightly less populated, less defined, there's less time spent on things.
There's just less, creeping out of the games in question.

That's not original Bioware deciding to pivot to action and spawning the Mass Effect universe, that's not Bioware Mythic going "What about dragoins and setting it in an age?" that's Ea going "I like this, make it faster, larger with less people and money plz".

So EA deserve that hate, and it's alsocore to why I give a pass to those that don't like DA:2, as that's just not original Bioware sadly, that's one already on decline.

 

[my name was taken]

I think I'm putting this one on the shelf at release and christmas now. I think there's potential for a bit of a battleground at release within the gaming community, once the knee jerk reactions on both sides settle I might see what happens with reviews

In other news Just saw the price of the collectors edition on JB website, wtaf, $230 and has a notebook?. Even deluxe is $134 and it's just cosmetics . I dunno maybe I'm getting old but that's ****ing insane for what is included.

 

[StFly]

I think I'm putting this one on the shelf at release and christmas now. I think there's potential for a bit of a battleground at release within the gaming community, once the knee jerk reactions on both sides settle I might see what happens.

In other news Just saw the price of the collectors edition on JB website, wtaf, $230 and has a notebook?. Even deluxe is $134 and it's just cosmetics . I dunno maybe I'm getting old but that's ****ing insane for what is included.

I pre-ordered the collectors for DA:I, from memory that was just above $200 (maybe 204?) for the chest, cloth map, coins, cards, book and etc, so suffice to say: they have form in pricing gauging that DA;I and Andromeda burned me horribly and my wallet was as tired as my face cause I trusted that they were at least playable instead of broken messes of games on launch due to EA crunching the devs and the devs folding.

Digital and what companies are doing is just pushing it further into "charge whatever so long as people still buy it, even if they bitch, moan and complain, so long as they just don't leave..." with the added "don't touch anything or Nintendo will sue your arse" on top.

In before the"
"Install pole via 5c bolts, wrap cord around waist, adorn VR visor" set up that costs 20k cause of roll cages and such.

You know it'll be a thing, we already have racing machines and flight sim set ups, what's an entire room instead of a chair, table, accessories and screen? Greed exists.

 

[my name was taken]

I pre-ordered the collectors for DA:I, from memory that was just above $200 (maybe 204?) for the chest, cloth map, coins, cards, book and etc, so suffice to say: they have form in pricing gauging that DA;I and Andromeda burned me horribly and my wallet was as tired as my face cause I trusted that they were at least playable instead of broken messes of games on launch due to EA crunching the devs and the devs folding.

.

I didn't get the da:I collectors but have for other game, mainly the ones that came with figures, think I have 7 AC figures ( last time I got 1 was odyssey), tomb raider, splinter cell. dont recall the price being so much, some were gifts from my partner, so maybe.

On the topic, anyone want to buy some AC figures?

 

[AFDogs]

Considering pre-ordering this, going in blind, not checking reviews and just forming my own opinion on this.

Since BG 3 I'm itching for a fantasy party game with party interactions and decisions that influence the storyline and character relationships. If the gameplay isn't amazing but they nail this aspect I'll be extremely satisfied.

 

[Constantgin]

Considering pre-ordering this, going in blind, not checking reviews and just forming my own opinion on this.

Since BG 3 I'm itching for a fantasy party game with party interactions and decisions that influence the storyline and character relationships. If the gameplay isn't amazing but they nail this aspect I'll be extremely satisfied.

Yeah i bit the bullet and pre order this. I have enjoyed all the dragon age games so far thought what the hell and with no assassins creed to next year I got the time for a new game.

 

[omgfridge]

Pretty scathing.



I usually would form my own opinion but he points out so much shit that I'd consider essential to this sort of the game. Dialogue options very concerning.

Was hoping this would be the BioWare comeback as Origins is one of my favourite games.

Edit - Seems all the reviews are dropping, there is lot of positivity. Though what I'm seeing from dialogue/puzzle/combat gameplay, it seems very vanilla.

 

[Constantgin]

The above not an unbiased reviewer pretty sure his guy who didn’t like a fallout game and said all Bethesda games are getting over harsh reviews from here on out.

 

[dwwaino]

I think what will ultimately divide people from what I've seen is it has Dragon Age in the name. From what I seen it looks like polished and slick action game. But it also looks like Marvelslop with Marvelslop quips and anything that resembles Dragon Age is only skin deep. Some will dig this, others will hate it

 

[Constantgin]

 

[Purple Suit]

I think what will ultimately divide people from what I've seen is it has Dragon Age in the name. From what I seen it looks like polished and slick action game. But it also looks like Marvelslop with Marvelslop quips and anything that resembles Dragon Age is only skin deep. Some will dig this, others will hate it

I assume they say “we’ve got this” 50 times even though they are in a fantasy setting.

 

[James Colorado]

Looking forward to giving this a go over the weekend. I loved Origins (uncontroversial viewpoint) and Inquisition (slightly controversial viewpoint), and despite never playing DA2 have really enjoyed everything about the series. Will probably break it up with a bit of Bl Ops 6 (thankfully have GP for that).

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Never in doubt.

Cannot wait.

 

[mickelboy182]

Game looks great and I say this as a long time Dragon Age fan. The weird baseless criticism this has had in the lead up to release is perplexing.

I don't mind SkillUp, but he often gets fixated on weird stuff and loses the plot a bit. Man didn't even like Lost Judgement.

 

[Cooldude]

Skillup's stupid, I remembered his Lost Judgment review where he complained about the game not having any visual cues for enemy strong attacks, despite them doing big 3 second windups with red smoke coming out of their heads

The man isn't very smart and I can't believe he has this reputation of being a "good" reviewer

 

[mickelboy182]

Skillup's stupid, I remembered his Lost Judgment review where he complained about the game not having any visual cues for enemy strong attacks, despite them doing big 3 second windups with red smoke coming out of their heads

The man isn't very smart and I can't believe he has this reputation of being a "good" reviewer

I don't mind his style so much, but do agree with your sentiment - he also constantly mispronounces words to the point you wonder how much ChatGPT goes into his script writing.

I don't think he is a particularly good critic, but to his credit he doesn't profess to be one.

 

[dwwaino]

I assume they say “we’ve got this” 50 times even though they are in a fantasy setting.

Rook is our hero of the hour because, by their own admission, “no one else was there to do it”. It’s good to play as someone other than a magically chosen superhero for once, but Rook hasn’t got much of a personality behind their ill-timed quips. No matter which dialogue option you pick, a lot of it inevitably ends in some sort of joke, and sometimes even mildly embarrassing pop culture references and idioms. (I never want to hear a character say a griffon is “feeling his oats”, please. Please.) Veilguard isn’t the Guardians of the Galaxy-esque jokefest fans feared it might be after its first trailer, but Rook is written less like a person with opinions and more like someone who makes witty observations.

Dragon Age: The Veilguard review – a good RPG, but an underwhelming Dragon Age game | Games | The Guardian

There is lots to do in this huge and beautiful fantasy world, but inconsistent writing and muted combat dull its blade

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I find this sort of shit extremely cringeworthy. Watching content the last few days I've learnt I absolutely can't stand that Bellara character in this game. Just about every video of dialogue I've seen from this game is full of sarcasm and never ending attempt at wit. It's how I imagine the 345623453456354 Marvel movies. Maybe it's time to just accept I'm getting old and Gen Z rule the roost now and this is the way film and games are just going to be written from now on and characters will no longer talk like people. My wife often says I'm "dry as a biscuit" when it comes to humour so maybe it's that too. I can look past the artistic direction, the change to an action game rather than RPG and the lack of The Keep bringing in any meaningful decisions from the earlier games, but probably not something that will absolutely grate me after an hour.

 

[dwwaino]

Skillup's stupid, I remembered his Lost Judgment review where he complained about the game not having any visual cues for enemy strong attacks, despite them doing big 3 second windups with red smoke coming out of their heads

The man isn't very smart and I can't believe he has this reputation of being a "good" reviewer

He was the final straw for me to lose any trust I had left for reviewers. I remember waiting for him to drop his Metro Exodus review because at the time I thought he was a decent alternative reviewer outside of the major outlets. He never got the review out. Infact he never touched the game until it was released because he was too busy shitting on Anthem for an entire week. Yet publishers still send him codes because it's not about the actual reviews, it's just free promotion for the game whether it's good or bad.

 

[Cyber_punk]

He was the final straw for me to lose any trust I had left for reviewers. I remember waiting for him to drop his Metro Exodus review because at the time I thought he was a decent alternative reviewer outside of the major outlets. He never got the review out. Infact he never touched the game until it was released because he was too busy shitting on Anthem for an entire week. Yet publishers still send him codes because it's not about the actual reviews, it's just free promotion for the game whether it's good or bad.

I'm a bit skeptical of these 10/10 reviews to be honest. When you see a 10, you'd probably be led to believe that things like combat and writing are basically flawless.. From what I have read and seen of the game, you can't be evil and are forced to be a goody two shoes? Isn't one of the core tenets of an RPG the possibility to play how you want?

 

[mickelboy182]

Isn't one of the core tenets of an RPG the possibility to play how you want?

Not really, plenty of narratively on-rails RPGs, including some of the best of all time. Many more that have only surface level alignment trappings.

 

[RCAB]

This game is not the Dragon Age universe and therefore unplayable for me.

 

[AFDogs]

Jesus Christ they did not put that BS in the game.

Tempted not to buy it now because of that.

 

[AFDogs]

An amazing line of dialog this is.

 

[mickelboy182]

This game is not the Dragon Age universe and therefore unplayable for me.

Oh **** off, don't be posting that dork on here. Chuds have to ruin everything with gaming.

This campaigner won't even play the game but will be immensely offended at a line of dialogue simply stating 'don't be an arseh*le'

 

[AFDogs]

I don’t need to be reminded in a game about Dragons how to correctly refer to a they/them.