Draft Winners and Losers

[Footy Smarts]

I got no doubt they would’ve thought that this year was draft had alotve talent from watching the U/16 2 years ago just like North would know that there isn’t the Key position players in the top ten of next draft.

There were thought to be no key position players in this draft 12 months ago.

But apparently it was planned years in advance for Richmond to take 4 key position players with early picks this year. Yeah sure.

 

[bzparkes]

lol

We have set ourselves up to rebuild and re contend in record time

You've brought in some good youth, whether you can develop, or keep them, remains to be seen.

This trade and draft period was the greatest and most transformative in the history of the AFL

A lot of Richmond supporters probably said the same thing after the '04 draft. Were you one of them?

If it even comes remotely close to Hawthorn's '04 haul, I'd be astounded.

In one period of 6 weeks, we have given our fans hope, and brought in 8 1st round draft picks of talent , in addition we have 2 top 5 draft picks locked in for next year

How many first rounders have North had over the years, only to have what, 5 consecutive bottom 2 finishes?

Also, you're presuming North don't improve next year, Whilst I agree they'll finish bottom 5, absolutely nothing is certain. With the senior additions they've brought in, they've massively improved their floor for next season.

Still should end up with a decent pick though, I imagine.

Oppo fans can snicker all they want, but we Richmond fans can see it for what it is, the buildings blocks for next dynasty

Again, same was said in '04. With the current state of Richmond's list, you're also basically set for at least the next 2 spoons, if not more. Serious questions will be asked over how well players develop in such an environment, if they even choose to stay?

Also, unlikely your coach stays employed if he wins spoons in 3 out of 4 years. Will a new coach get better results?

We've seen plenty of other teams heavily prioritise the draft and go absolutely nowhere for a decade or more, before needing to go back to the well and start all over again. Richmond were one of them.

In fact, other than Hawthorn(who had probably the greatest draft of all time in '04'), we're yet to see a club manage to do what Richmond appear to be doing successfully. We saw supporters of those clubs massively celebrate huge draft hauls at the time, only to watch their respective teams fail miserably at rebuilding and have to start all over again, some multiple time, just to push for finals.

Blair Hartley needs a statue, could not have done any better, legendary stuff

I sincerely hope you don't go this early in other aspects of your life...

 

[Cdog71]

There were thought to be no key position players in this draft 12 months ago.

But apparently it was planned years in advance for Richmond to take 4 key position players with early picks this year. Yeah sure.

Rubbish

 

[Frank Grimes]

Had to laugh at Collingwood, called Sydneys bluff with big stupid grins on their faces only to end up with egg instead.
That final shot of Fly gave it away, looked more dejected than the 'free at the G' incident.

He should have just given a half hearted fist pump to disguise his disappointment like Dodo did years ago.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Richmond fans celebrating after they sold their soul by tanking and trading away all possible talent

To be fair they could have traded out Taranto.

 

[blaisee]

Calm down.

You are coming off of the worst base in history.

Yes, that includes the likes of Melbourne, Carlton, North etc.

You traded 4 of your best players, retired the rest.

Jack Ross, Josh Gibcus off an ACL, Kane McCauliff and Jack Ross is about the extent of the talent on Richmonds list under 25 besides those drafted a few days ago.

You needed about 8 first rounds picks to even be categorized as an AFL average.

The premiers have added what amounts to two top 3 picks in the last 3 seasons as an example.

We will see how many supporters are calling Blair a genius in round 10.

Very very salty, and understandably so

Bit rich you quoting my posts, like you have any credibility, I mean I am still waiting for you to apologize for the lies you have been spruking

Like the one where you insisted that the richmond dynasty was built on priority picks, and then the other one, where you called my claim that you where trying to trade your F1 as a " complete and utter fabrication"

Guess what you did lol, and you sent it to Richmond lol

Get back in your box, you have less of an idea than Brady Rawlings

 

[blaisee]

Didn't know we had two players called Jack Ross

bloke is rattled

 

[blaisee]

To be fair they could have traded out Taranto.

that will happen next year

 

[FlowersByIrene]

that will happen next year

That would be hilarious. You would get half the value you paid for him, maybe less, unless you pay his entire salary or something.

 

[blaisee]

That would be hilarious. You would get half the value you paid for him, maybe less, unless you pay his entire salary or something.

look won't be great, and I was sort of joking, Hopper has to be dealt with unless his fitness is sound but I guess having $3m on TPP space has its advantages

 

[CatToTheFuture]

look won't be great, and I was sort of joking, Hopper has to be dealt with unless his fitness is sound but I guess having $3m on TPP space has its advantages

Yeah I think all you can do with Hopper is front load his contract and hope his body comes good.

 

[Obeanie1]

Who is salty. Lol

The club with the most picks picked the most players.

That's all.

Great result by the Tigers but lets not sugar coat the reason why they had so many picks. They lost an absolute ton of experience and contracted quality players.

Enjoy the rebuild.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Did you read the original post I quoted? Bloke reckons Richmond 'planned' this from the U16s season, which would be what, 3 years ago?

So if they 'planned this 3 years ago, they wouldn't have gone out and given away first rounders for Taranto and Hopper, nor would they have been blindsided when Hardwick abruptly quit.

Passing off making the best of a bad situation as some kind of 'master plan' is laughable.

The truth is the players and club discussed the situation at length. All players came out publicly at some stage stated they were happy to stay if the right deal couldn’t get done. That’s not a bad situation at all. That’s a situation that every club would love to have. In other words, if the club isn’t satisfied with what they get in return for these players, they keep them. That’s more like a master plan than being dealt a shit sandwich.

You can cry all you want but that is the truth. As a coterie member of many years I am privy to more than your conjecture.

 

[L_W_P]

Why's everyone getting stuck into Richmond?

They've clearly aimed to draft a spine:

FB:
CHB: Trainor
R: Sims
HF: Armstong
FF: Faull

If Miller stands up at FB, or if Gibcus can get himself sorted, then there's a really nice frame to build around here. There's some risks with Hotton and Trainor re: injury but every club should back themselves in to get those things right.

Could they have gone safer with a few picks? Sure, but why would you?

I probably would have taken Tauru over Smilie but that's because most of the tall depth in the first round was forward line options. I probably would have taken Armstong instead of Faull and banked on Jonty sliding but it worked out for them regardless.

Other than that, it's hard to be critical of what they did IMO. They also snagged another top end pick for next year where they can grab a ball magnet mid or a top shelf small forward.

They won't all be stars but if even half of these picks work out then the Tigers are well on their way.

 

[Sphynx]

Very very salty, and understandably so

Bit rich you quoting my posts, like you have any credibility, I mean I am still waiting for you to apologize for the lies you have been spruking

Like the one where you insisted that the richmond dynasty was built on priority picks, and then the other one, where you called my claim that you where trying to trade your F1 as a " complete and utter fabrication"

Guess what you did lol, and you sent it to Richmond lol

Get back in your box, you have less of an idea than Brady Rawlings

Already changing your tune.

You said we were going to trade F1 AND 2.

Don't change mate. Just keep dodging the topics.

 

[blaisee]

The truth is the players and club discussed the situation at length. All players came out publicly at some stage stated they were happy to stay if the right deal couldn’t get done. That’s not a bad situation at all. That’s a situation that every club would love to have. In other words, if the club isn’t satisfied with what they get in return for these players, they keep them. That’s more like a master plan than being dealt a shit sandwich.

You can cry all you want but that is the truth. As a coterie member of many years I am privy to more than your conjecture.

I think the focus on whether it was part of a master plan is largely irrelevant

It was not the plan, till it was the plan

Blair pivoted and the outcome exceeded expectations

Now no-one knows how good these players will be obviously, but this is about building the next Richmond multiple winning premiership dynasty, and they have at least given themselves a chance to do so , getting 8 1st round picks coming through at one time.

It has never been done before, and that is why there will be a lot of patience with this group

No one is going to care if we win 2 games next year, but all the youngsters show something, especially if Nth finish where they did this year, that would secure Richmond Pick 1, and Pick 2 in the 2025 draft.

Other than the fans, Yze is the luckiest man in football as he gets a chance to work with this group with little to no expectations

 

[bzparkes]

The truth is the players and club discussed the situation at length. All players came out publicly at some stage stated they were happy to stay if the right deal couldn’t get done. That’s not a bad situation at all. That’s a situation that every club would love to have. In other words, if the club isn’t satisfied with what they get in return for these players, they keep them. That’s more like a master plan than being dealt a shit sandwich.

You can cry all you want but that is the truth. As a coterie member of many years I am privy to more than your conjecture.

Lol, if you want to believe the messaging from your club, be my guest. All clubs spin shit to appear positive to members.

After all, your mob has dibs on at least the next 2 spoons. If this were 'by design', they wouldn't have handed over 3 first rounders and a 2nd for Hopper and Taranto on 7 year deals 2 years ago.

Let's be realistic here please.

Kudos to your club to extract max value out of GC, WCE and Freo but you'd have to be daft to think Richmond 'planned' this 2 years ago.

 

[blaisee]

Already changing your tune.

You said we were going to trade F1 AND 2.

Don't change mate. Just keep dodging the topics.

I said you would try, and you did and you know it

Still waiting for your apology, be a man and do it, apologize without diverting

Own it

 

[bzparkes]

Why's everyone getting stuck into Richmond?

Because some of their supporters are hailing this as the 'greatest' draft haul of all time, despite not a single one of them playing AFL yet?

 

[Footy Smarts]

Why's everyone getting stuck into Richmond?

They've clearly aimed to draft a spine:

FB:
CHB: Trainor
R: Sims
HF: Armstong
FF: Faull

If Miller stands up at FB, or if Gibcus can get himself sorted, then there's a really nice frame to build around here. There's some risks with Hotton and Trainor re: injury but every club should back themselves in to get those things right.

Could they have gone safer with a few picks? Sure, but why would you?

I probably would have taken Tauru over Smilie but that's because most of the tall depth in the first round was forward line options. I probably would have taken Armstong instead of Faull and banked on Jonty sliding but it worked out for them regardless.

Other than that, it's hard to be critical of what they did IMO. They also snagged another top end pick for next year where they can grab a ball magnet mid or a top shelf small forward.

They won't all be stars but if even half of these picks work out then the Tigers are well on their way.

I think the surprise is how tall they went without getting a genuine ruck (Sims looks like a key forward who can chop out as 2nd ruck not a genuine number 1 ruck). Especially given their list already had a lot of developing key position players.

They've put a lot of games into Balta, Lefau, Gibcus, Bauer, Blight, Koschitzke, Miller, Ryan and Young. They've also got Fawcett and Gray yet to debut.

That's 11 fairly young talls already on their list with only Ryan possibly a genuine ruck of those guys.

Adding another 4 key position prospects feels like overkill. It only really makes sense if they don't think much of the group already on their list outside the already proven Balta.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think the surprise is how tall they went without getting a genuine ruck (Sims looks like a key forward who can chop out as 2nd ruck not a genuine number 1 ruck). Especially given their list already had a lot of developing key position players.

They've put a lot of games into Balta, Lefau, Gibcus, Bauer, Blight, Koschitzke, Miller, Ryan and Young. They've also got Fawcett and Gray yet to debut.

That's 11 fairly young talls already on their list with only Ryan possibly a genuine ruck of those guys.

Adding another 4 key position prospects feels like overkill. It only really makes sense if they don't think much of the group already on their list outside the already proven Balta.

I don't think you need to draft a young ruck unless it's a potential superstar ruck like Kreuzer, Grundy, Tim English, Jackson etc. You can always grab a sufficient enough ruckman from somewhere else when they're 24/25 if you need to. I wouldn't criticize Richmond for not drafting an 18 year old Ruckman. I'll criticize them for everything else they did, but not that.

 

[L_W_P]

I could maybe see drafting Reid/Allen over Faull but there's no way you'd be passing up Trainor or Armstrong at the picks they were taken.

I'd be keen to know what they were offered for the 1st pick on night 2 vs drafting Sims. I think they plan on turning him into a ruck long term (otherwise I agree that they have a heap of KPF options on the list) but I can't really see a mid they should have taken over him.

Moraes maybe? Not sure Ough or Boxshall were ever really rated that high pre draft.

They picked up 3 mids and 4 talls - 1 KPD, 2x KPF and a ruck/forward.

I think that's a fairly decent spread.

Getting a pick at the top of next year's draft is a boon also. They can probably double dip on ready to play mids there and be very happy with themselves, as anyone would be with that many top end picks.

It's Christmas come early at Punt Rd.

 

[BennyGan]

Outside of the tigers I reckon Eagles, Power and Bombers were the biggest winners with the players they picked up

 

[Footy Smarts]

I don't think you need to draft a young ruck unless it's a potential superstar ruck like Kreuzer, Grundy, Tim English, Jackson etc. You can always grab a sufficient enough ruckman from somewhere else when they're 24/25 if you need to. I wouldn't criticize Richmond for not drafting an 18 year old Ruckman. I'll criticize them for everything else they did, but not that.

No problem with them not taking a ruck. I'm just surprised they only took 3 non talls with their early picks.

Losing Bolton, Rioli and Baker leaves them short on speed and versatility for smalls. I'm surprised they didn't take another small or medium with pick 14 then go with talls with their picks in the 20s. There's a decent chance Faull would've been there and if not they clearly liked a bunch of the others anyway.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

No problem with them not taking a ruck. I'm just surprised they only took 3 non talls with their early picks.

Losing Bolton, Rioli and Baker leaves them short on speed and versatility for smalls. I'm surprised they didn't take another small or medium with pick 14 then go with talls with their picks in the 20s. There's a decent chance Faull would've been there and if not they clearly liked a bunch of the others anyway.

Yeah absolutely, their selection of talls makes sense from a list build perspective and it's what Carlton did to set themselves up - you take the talls first because they take longer to develop and then you supplement with mids and flankers because they come on quicker - giving you a tighter list profile when your team is all peaking at the same time for a longer period. However, this was not the year to do it. They reached for talls when this was a midfield draft and effectively wasted all their later first round picks on 2nd round talent. They really wasted their opportunity here.