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[LukeParkerno1]

Port are definitely going tall.

Don’t you have too many talls

 

[Ah12]

Don’t you have too many talls

Marshall may be forced to retire due to concussion, that leaves Georgiades and Lukosious as our only sure fire starting tall forwards. Ratagulea, Finlayson and Lord arent certain best 22.

Twomey has exclusively linked us to the talls of the draft with our first pick.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Marshall may be forced to retire due to concussion, that leaves Georgiades and Lukosious as our only sure fire starting tall forwards. Ratagulea, Finlayson and Lord arent certain best 22.

Fair point didn’t know about Marshall

 

[the big lebowski]

I don't believe assistance picks should ever be given as it just bails out clubs for poor list management decisions. My motto is you f$%k it up, you fix it.
Yes clubs certainly did tank which was the precise reason they changed the rules in 2012.
Fact remains, to get assistance picks now you have to beg for them, which is precisely what NM did. I'm glad the WCE didn't stoop to that level!

You’ll be racking up yet more priority assistance soon to add to Judd darling etc with your complete lack of u25 talent

2024 John Worsfold Medal Top 10​

Jeremy McGovern – 184 votes
Elliot Yeo – 177
Jake Waterman – 155
Liam Duggan – 141
Brady Hough – 136
Jamie Cripps – 127
Tom Barrass – 122
Tom Cole – 117
Harley Reid – 114
Tim Kelly – 112

Yikes

 

[Wrenny]

So personally if I was the Roos I wouldn’t do some of the trades being discussed and don’t at all think that because they’ve mentioned the possibility that they’ll trade back that someone means they’re trapped and have to (and have to accept unders)

But geez suggesting that because you have Corr in your team there isn’t a need to prioritise drafting talls is a baffling take

Would you say he’s the Corr of the problem?

 

[LB2Snake]

are you saying it's dribble that NM have been propped up financially by the AFL for years? Maybe this will open your eyes. It's a couple of years out of date but nothing has changed. Take particular note of the loss you would have incurred from 2017 - 2020 without the AFL's "variable" (prop-up) funding. Do you really think you could stand on your own 2 feet?
At least you can take some solace from the fact you aren't the worst Melbourne based club

AFL funding ladder revealed: $100m gap between top and bottom clubs

The size of the gap is a sore point for some power clubs, with Essendon president Paul Brasher demanding a say in how the next round of money is doled out.

www.theage.com.au

More garbage from you mate. How’d year 12 go for you this year ya clown? Or is it year 11? You sound about 17. What a boatload of sh!t you spew bud. Who gives a f**k……..it’s like you are raising the funds for your club yourself with all genius marketing plans.
. WC had 20 years in a one team town mate, you really think it’s the genius of your footy club that’s made you successful.
I don’t begrudge them that, good on them. But don’t come at me with that crap. It’s childish sh!t.
You think football clubs are based around “We’ve got a bigger supporter based than you?”
It’s like me saying WC will always be considered a plastic franchise that was invented to grow the game mate. I think your footy club would mean more to you than that.
If you don’t think that about football, mate we’ve got nothin to to talk about. It’s a sport played against two different entities regardless of their entitlements. I love that we are a small club coming up against big clubs with lots of money and supports and and at times we triumph……although those are getting further apart, hoping that changes. You know why? Because theirs no wallets or bank balances out there on the field. It’s 23 v 23 and dirt and goals at each end.
Some of best ever player to play our game have played for North Melbourne. We were pretty integral to bringing more indigenous players into game. Copping the racist sh!t from other clubs supporters.
Should show a bit of respect what a club like North has had to endure do just Survive.

Maybe pick up and read a bit about the history of North Melbourne and how we always had to be adaptive to mark things work for us and compete with large clubs. It’s in our DNA.

More than happy to talk football with someone, but you’d need to pull your condescending stick out of your own arse to talk football with me.

 

[GWS Goose]

A foot bone issue then an ACL then follow up surgery on that same knee?

For a guy that relies on agility, the risk is massive. I'm not sure I'd take that risk when there are others available. A team with multiple early picks can take the risk

I think we will, we are probably better placed than most to make a high risk/high reward selection like Taj

 

[Choogler]

Right so it was ok to lay down and beg by not winning games but trying to win games and asking for help is different??

What an ignorant comment, we would have got Judd at 3, with or without the PP as we finished 3rd last. We would have missed out on Sampi at 6. As for WCE tanking, we may have, we may not have..all I know is that we were crap.

If you think the late junk picks we got was anything like the pick you got for Judd then you're having a laugh.

If financial helps is embarrassing - give your club a call and ask them to hand back the 11 million dollars the AFL gave them last year.

mate... do you even understand how AFL distributions work or what you are talking about? Every year the AFL provides a "base" payment which is an equal amount for all clubs. In 2023, WCE received $15.7 million, the least of any club by $1.2 million. NM received $24.356 million which equates to $8.65 million in prop-up funding!

Only GWS, StK & GC received more than NM
As per their Annual Report, NM made a profit of just $269,853.
The worst mathematician around can work out that without the prop-up funding NM loses $8.38 million in 2023 alone. NM likes to point to 12 consecutive years of profits but without the generosity of the AFL Centrelink funding, you'd have turned consistent and unsustainable losses. Facts my friend that can be verified through the AFL & NM Annual Reports.
So to get back on point, I'd be happy for WCE to give back their $15.7 million if NM give back their $24.356 million, and every other club did the same. I know who would go belly up first, and it wouldn't be WCE.

More garbage from you mate. How’d year 12 go for you this year ya clown? Or is it year 11? You sound about 17. What a boatload of sh!t you spew bud.

I deal in facts, did you even bother to read them?

Who gives a f**k……..it’s like you are raising the funds for your club yourself with all genius marketing plans.
. WC had 20 years in a one team town mate, you really think it’s the genius of your footy club that’s made you successful.

Firstly, there was just 8 seasons before Freo was admitted.
Secondly, WCE went through a period when they were broke and the licence was taken over by the WAFC and we now operate under a sub-licence. Through sound management under the leadership of Brian Cook we turned it around to where we are today. So we haven't had it as easy as you seem to think. And since our inception we have injected, from our own coffers, through the licence royalties, more than $150 million into the WA Footy Commission. That goes to developing the next generation of WAFL and AFL footballers, most of whom DO NOT end up at WC. In addition we run various academies, again out of our own pockets. I don't think its unfair to say we probably contribute more to growing the game than most other clubs, and certainly Victorian Clubs where the Talent Pathways are AFL funded.

I don’t begrudge them that, good on them. But don’t come at me with that crap. It’s childish sh!t.
You think football clubs are based around “We’ve got a bigger supporter based than you?”

You live in the suburban club past, where passion was everything, and for supporters that may well still be the case, but for the clubs it's a business, shame the AFL didn't run the competition like one, where those that aren't self-sufficient have to come up with a way to survive whether it's by merging or relocation.

It’s like me saying WC will always be considered a plastic franchise that was invented to grow the game mate. I think your footy club would mean more to you than that.

We werent "invented to grow the game" fact is we (and Brisbane) were only admitted to the VFL to save it and 7 of the 12 clubs (including NM) who were trading insolvent and about to be shut down by the Vic corporate regulator.
Say what you like about WC, I am happy in the knowledge that we have contributed more to the viability of what we know today as the AFL than NM ever have, and without us, you'd probably not have a club to support.

If you don’t think that about football, mate we’ve got nothin to to talk about. It’s a sport played against two different entities regardless of their entitlements. I love that we are a small club coming up against big clubs with lots of money and supports and and at times we triumph

Through equalisation by the AFL, Salaray caps, the draft, soft caps etc... how does the wealth of the WCE give us any list building, coaching, high performance management advantage over NM. You have the same opportunities to draft, pay the same salary and soft caps and yet have been rubbish for years, why is that?

……although those are getting father apart, hoping that changes. You know why? Because theirs no wallets of bank balances out there on the filed. It’s 23 v 23 and dirt and goals at each end.
Some of forested player to play our game have played for Nirth Melbourne. We were pretty integral to brig more indigenous players into game. Copping the racist sh!t for other clubs supporters.
Should show a bit of respect what a club North has had to endure do just Survive. And some man sees

Maybe pic up and read a bit about the history of North Melbourne and how we always had to be adaptive to mark things work for us and compete with large clubs. It’s in our DNA.

You don't need to preach to me, I was a NM supporter before WCE came into being... I was standing on the bottom deck of the old Southern Stand in 75 when NM won their first ever flag. One of the best footy memories I have, but it doesn't mean I'm not a realist.

More than happy to talk football with someone, but you’d need to pull your condescending stick out of your own arse to talk football with me.

If condescending is pointing out the facts, I plead guilty.

 

[Jeremias]

If condescending is pointing out the facts, I plead guilty.

You’re also guilty of completely derailing this thread with stuff that belongs on Bay 13.

Take it there.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I think Essendon and WCE trade this year 2nd round picks with future 2nd rounder picks

 

[LB2Snake]

You don't need to preach to me, I was a NM supporter before WCE came into being... I was standing on the bottom deck of the old Southern Stand in 75 when NM won their first ever flag. One of the best footy memories I have, but it doesn't mean I'm not a realist.

All the rest, take elsewhere……but this bit. What are you doing bagging North? Seriously? Makes the hatred even worse.

 

[sr36]

Don’t you have too many talls

They've got a fair few nearly but not quite right talls.

Aliir is their only good kpd and he's 30.
Georgiades and Lukosius up forward, but neither are physical or pack threats.

Their attacking mids are awesome. They need talls, flankers and a physical defensive mid.

 

[sr36]

Only GWS, StK & GC received more than NM
As per their Annual Report, NM made a profit of just $269,853.
The worst mathematician around can work out that without the prop-up funding NM loses $8.38 million in 2023 alone. NM likes to point to 12 consecutive years of profits but without the generosity of the AFL Centrelink funding, you'd have turned consistent and unsustainable losses. Facts my friend that can be verified through the AFL & NM Annual Reports.

Piffle.

A) You're right about the worst mathematician deducing that. One that is so bad that they don't understand the correlation between expenditure and income. Crazy notion, but do you think it's possible that North may have spent less if they had less income coming from the distribution.

B) One thing the AFL does on behalf of the clubs is sell the tv rights for a ****ing fortune. The distributions aren't charity. They're a big part of what the clubs earn and they only receive a small fraction of it even those who get a bigger distribution.

C) The AFL community has decided to have an even competition rather than a financial arms race. You seem to think that's unfair. Yet your financial strength comes directly from the AFL gifting you access to the biggest football market split of any club in the country.

 

[LB2Snake]

Piffle.

A) You're right about the worst mathematician deducing that. One that is so bad that they don't understand the correlation between expenditure and income. Crazy notion, but do you think it's possible that North may have spent less if they had less income coming from the distribution.

B) One thing the AFL does on behalf of the clubs is sell the tv rights for a ****ing fortune. The distributions aren't charity. They're a big part of what the clubs earn and they only receive a small fraction of it even those who get a bigger distribution.

C) The AFL community has decided to have an even competition rather than a financial arms race. You seem to think that's unfair. Yet your financial strength comes directly from the AFL gifting you access to the biggest football market split of any club in the country.

Actually refreshing to read this sr36 ......some people really do think it's a financial arms race and they personally produced all these profits themselves.

It's the old "we are awesome you are sh!t debate, about nothing"

Well done.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Oh look, actual draft rumours:

Herald Sun saying it'll be Lalor 1, Tauru 2, then FOS, Draper and Jagga in some order from 3 to 5, confirms Richmond are locked into Smillie at 6, so Langford will fall to St Kilda. Plus Ashcroft in there somewhere.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/draft-intel-all-the-latest-news-from-around-australia-ahead-of-wednesdays-afl-draft/news-story/01a898f4722194346eb561621b6cbc35?amp

First time I've seen actual confirmation from journalists that Richmond are heavily into Smillie and would take him over Langford.

 

[sr36]

Actually refreshing to read this sr36 ......some people really do think it's a financial arms race and they personally produced all these profits themselves.

It's the old "we are awesome you are sh!t debate, about nothing"

Well done.

That club doesn't get that it's a not for profit industry and bizarrely many of their fans are proud of the reality that there club maximises profit by taking advantage of a duopoly to price gouge them - making it easily the most expensive place in the country to watch AFL.

 

[sydney_gws]

What would 2,F2 get for Richmond.
Would 2,F2 for 6,18 work for both parties, or would Richmond only do that if 23 replaces 18.

 

[sr36]

What would 2,F2 get for Richmond.
Would 2,F2 for 6,18 work for both parties, or would Richmond only do that if 23 replaces 18.

Who knows? It's an even top end. Quite possible that they rate Smilie at 2, know he'll get to 6, so have no interest at all in paying something to move from 6 to 2.

 

[perplexed]

Just my take on it, but I think those who barrack for North in here are largely if not all in denial.

It seems extremely likely (from all that’s been reported), that North and Adelaide are discussing a potential pick swap, and given Adelaide’s dearth of other picks to swap, that likely means that that swap would only involve a couple of F3’s, or an F2.

There’s surely no way they’re discussing trading their F1 to North, just to move up two spots, when they’re going to get a serious gun at 4 anyway.

And the only way North would consider trading down for just one or two later future picks is if they know the guy they want at 2 will definitely be there at 4.

And the guy who fits that bill the most by far is of course Tauru.

This may be the case, but I think you are reading too much into this rumoured trade. Especially as North are rumoured to have rejected an Adelaide offer involving their F3's.

So far the only relevant stuff North have said we would be willing to drop back two or three places, and that we would be will to use our future first to trade back in for a player.

There have been rumours that we have rejected, or not accepted yet, offers from three teams.

St Kilda 7, F1
Adelaide 4, F3, F3, F3
Richmond 10, 18 (or something like this, but not involving pick 6)

To me it seems we want to use a pick in the first five and a later first rounder. I think that if Richmond offered 6,18 we would probably accept it. If they don't, there are arguments for and against all of those trades, but I suspect we would just use pick 2 on the best player available - who could be any one of five or six players. We have gone best player available in every recent draft, I doubt we change that this year.

 

[LB2Snake]

That club doesn't get that it's a not for profit industry and bizarrely many of their fans are proud of the reality that there club maximises profit by taking advantage of a duopoly to price gouge them - making it easily the most expensive place in the country to watch AFL.

Look I actually don't mind that they are a powerhouse financially, same with Pies and other clubs, that's life, good luck to them. Tigers are an awesome monster of a club again too, great. I have nothing against that at all.

But I absolutely abhor some internet clown ramming it down my throat like it's relevant to me how much money they have and how little we have......it's just not. And it can't help but be done in such a condescending manner, it's pathetic.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

 

[LB2Snake]

What would 2,F2 get for Richmond.
Would 2,F2 for 6,18 work for both parties, or would Richmond only do that if 23 replaces 18.

Now we gotta add more???

 

[LB2Snake]

If Tigers "don't wanna use 6" then surely we are just like, "Righto!....See Ya" Then they clearly don't rate the bloke they want at 2.

I swear, by Wednesday it will be completely reasonable on here for North to accept 11, because 'Richmond want to keep 10 for someone", and 23, because they "kinda need 18".

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Look I actually don't mind that they are a powerhouse financially, same with Pies and other clubs, that's life, good luck to them. Tigers are an awesome monster of a club again too, great. I have nothing against that at all.

But I absolutely abhor some internet clown ramming it down my throat like it's relevant to me how much money they have and how little we have......it's just not. And it can't help but be done in such a condescending manner, it's pathetic.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

Yep, it’s our lot in life with the nature of our clubs. Oppo fans think it’s their own brilliance that kicks the footy, wins flags, and pulls the fans and the money in.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

If Tigers "don't wanna use 6" then surely we are just like, "Righto!....See Ya" Then they clearly don't rate the bloke they want at 2.

I swear, by Wednesday it will be completely reasonable on here for North to accept 11, because 'Richmond want to keep 10 for someone", and 23, because they "kinda need 18".

I thought the North accepted that the Tigers don't want to trade pick 6 so why are you still crying about it?
Just pick the best player you can with pick 2 and be done with it.

 

[sr36]

Yep, it’s our lot in life with the nature of our clubs. Oppo fans think it’s their own brilliance that kicks the footy, wins flags, and pulls the fans and the money in.

Pendlebury was a dud until I yelled some advice from the stands.