Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

Not that it adds to any information, but just out of interest. Was the FGM's walkthrough released to the public around the time of the 2019 coroners inquest? How does this timing fit in with Chumleys's book. If the book was already out, must have caused a bit of concern that FGM says she did not see FF that morning.

Both books came out in mid 2020 I think, so after the first tranche of the inquest.

The FGM walkthrough I don't think was formally released to the public - it was leaked from a later tranche of the inquest - I think around the end of 2021 was when I first saw it. Possibly after FGM died?

 

[Lady O]

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More confusion.
Who alleged that FF and FGM looked at the car? I am guessing it must have been FF.
FGM omitted or forgot looking at the car with FF.
FM allegedly was not with them so possibly showering and getting dressed.
So this narrative fits in with everyone up and dressed by around 8:00. And then the breakfast at 8:30 ish with FGM.
FGM also omits or forgets the bikes and ready set go after FF leaves.

This puts the bike ride with FM and FGM to after FF leaves around 9. Specifically it says the car has gone. Which gives a lot of activity between 9 and the time to start the drawings on the patio (has been commented before). FGM .... I would have done the dishes... ..mummy monsters, tree climbing, chasing, FM falling and hurting hand, FD then joining FM and William outside and then more playing and chasing.

Was Chumley able to check with FGM if this was correct. I don't know when or how Chumley obtained this information. If things allegedly happened that morning as said later by FF and FM i guess FGM was not available or capable of an interview.

My Edit: Also after Breakfast is the call to Spedding. So when is there time for bike riding? The Photos time stamp if correct have them drawing on the patio by around 9:30.

From my understanding, it puts FF leaving at sometime after 7.50am (when FM said she was in the shower) and when she went out FF was already gone.

The question is, was there an hour's error in FM & FGM's story, or DID FF leave at 8.00ish and went somewhere else for an hour before passing the camera at the Tennis Club?

 

[31550]

From my understanding, it puts FF leaving at sometime after 7.50am (when FM said she was in the shower) and when she went out FF was already gone.

The question is, was there an hour's error in FM & FGM's story, or DID FF leave at 8.00ish and went somewhere else for an hour before passing the camera at the Tennis Club?

Where would he go and why? And then if he did leave twice, why lie about it? Especially if the narrative is that the photos are taken after 9.30 when he is in Lakewood on his meeting? If he made another trip earlier, then this would be in the narrative too, otherwise risk the whole thing being blown apart if he is seen out between 8 and 8.40am and maybe captured on CCTV.

No, Occam's Razor suggests the simplest explanation is true - FGM is simply mistaken about the time she got up, she got up later than she thought and missed FF. Or, she is mistaken or lying that she didn't see him that morning.

 

[Lady O]

Where would he go and why? And then if he did leave twice, why lie about it? Especially if the narrative is that the photos are taken after 9.30 when he is in Lakewood on his meeting? If he made another trip earlier, then this would be in the narrative too, otherwise risk the whole thing being blown apart if he is seen out between 8 and 8.40am and maybe captured on CCTV.

No, Occam's Razor suggests the simplest explanation is true - FGM is simply mistaken about the time she got up, she got up later than she thought and missed FF. Or, she is mistaken or lying that she didn't see him that morning.

I don't think Occam and his Razor are in evidence in this case.

 

[Lady O]

Where would he go and why? And then if he did leave twice, why lie about it? Especially if the narrative is that the photos are taken after 9.30 when he is in Lakewood on his meeting? If he made another trip earlier, then this would be in the narrative too, otherwise risk the whole thing being blown apart if he is seen out between 8 and 8.40am and maybe captured on CCTV.

No, Occam's Razor suggests the simplest explanation is true - FGM is simply mistaken about the time she got up, she got up later than she thought and missed FF. Or, she is mistaken or lying that she didn't see him that morning.

Is it possible that the camera was still set to Eastern Standard Time, but wasn't checked until Daylight Saving Time had started?

 

[31550]

Is it possible that the camera was still set to Eastern Standard Time, but wasn't checked until Daylight Saving Time had started?

Would not matter. The photographs would all bear a timestamp from whatever time the camera 'thought' it was when they were taken. Changing to DST or back (not even possible on this camera!), would change the camera internal clock, not any photographs already taken. This camera did not understand time zones and DST - it just had a simple internal clock which could be set - much like a cheap digital watch with no Internet connectivity or GPS capability.

 

[Lady O]

Would not matter. The photographs would all bear a timestamp from whatever time the camera 'thought' it was when they were taken. Changing to DST or back (not even possible on this camera!), would change the camera internal clock, not any photographs already taken. This camera did not understand time zones and DST - it just had a simple internal clock which could be set - much like a cheap digital watch with no Internet connectivity or GPS capability.

So wouldn't the cheap watch, if it was untouched, make 8am EST into 9am DST? Isn't that why we were always an hour late (prior to iphones) on the first day of daylight saving?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

From my understanding, it puts FF leaving at sometime after 7.50am (when FM said she was in the shower) and when she went out FF was already gone.

The question is, was there an hour's error in FM & FGM's story, or DID FF leave at 8.00ish and went somewhere else for an hour before passing the camera at the Tennis Club?

The anomalies in comparison of FGM walk through and FF statement of 14th are alarming .

She didn't see him but suggested he asked her the chemist opening time

He agrees she told him opening time .....'so must have been up' being uncertain

So neither can be sure they saw each other but both think they spoke.

Huh???

I think they were trying to prevent her being an accessory by saying she wasn't up when he left.

8 am is critical

 

[31550]

So wouldn't the cheap watch, if it was untouched, make 8am EST into 9am DST? Isn't that why we were always an hour late (prior to iphones) on the first day of daylight saving?

No

 

[Merlina]

So wouldn't the cheap watch, if it was untouched, make 8am EST into 9am DST? Isn't that why we were always an hour late (prior to iphones) on the first day of daylight saving?

No

Unless you mean that the watch would still be showing 8am when it is actually now 9am? Then yes.
It wouldn't automatically update. I think that's what 31550 is saying.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You can apparently clone an image to assume the EXIF data of other pictures using a tool..so if you had 5 photos spaced over 2' 39" you can use a tool to accept old photos on verandah as being taken that day with the EXIF data showing 7.39 and all particulars required

The TV sunrise photo on return back from Bali could be used as the trigger to get LE to accept 9.37 and correct the time by mistake..you'd point out the time he went missing was 9.37 too

Probably need second Camera and SD card.......like the one perhaps with FF at McD.

 

[Awakening]

 

[pinkjellybean]

We need FM to appear before Judge Judy asap.

 

[Lady O]

Unless you mean that the watch would still be showing 8am when it is actually now 9am? Then yes.
It wouldn't automatically update. I think that's what 31550 is saying.

I get confused. Daylight saving starts soon, so I will see then. I think when I get up and my microwave will say it's 8am, my iphone will say it's 9am.

 

[Lebbo73]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

No criticism of Bigfooty but how does using initials comply with a bs suppression order?

 

[Kurve]

No criticism of Bigfooty but how does using initials comply with a bs suppression order?

Their real initials aren't being used here for suppressed names, if sometimes the courts do.

 

[Lebbo73]

Their real initials aren't being used here for suppressed names, if sometimes the courts do.

Are the courts saying that you have to use initials only?

 

[Merlina]

Is it possible that the camera was still set to Eastern Standard Time, but wasn't checked until Daylight Saving Time had started?

I think I know what you're saying here, but I think it's very unlikely that forensics would make this mistake. All their analytical work would have had to consider photo location and the time of year so they can make corrections for the time zone and local time.

If (for example) they found a photo on the camera taken in Bali with a timestamp of 7:39, they would have created a corrected time of about 7:37 local Bali time.

In any case, they created corrected times of nearly two hours later: a mistake in their calculations regarding daylight savings might explain why they adjusted it by one hour, but not by two.

Edit to add: Just my opinion - I don't have any expertise in this!

 

[LRitz]

I get confused. Daylight saving starts soon, so I will see then. I think when I get up and my microwave will say it's 8am, my iphone will say it's 9am.

That will be confusing. How will you know when antique roadshow is on?

I still have to say that spring forward and fall back thing each year to get it right. Luckily i phone does it for you. My oven clock is never on the right time.

 

[Lady O]

I think I know what you're saying here, but I think it's very unlikely that forensics would make this mistake. All their analytical work would have had to consider photo location and the time of year so they can make corrections for the time zone and local time.

If (for example) they found a photo on the camera taken in Bali with a timestamp of 7:39, they would have created a corrected time of about 7:37 local Bali time.

In any case, they created corrected times of nearly two hours later: a mistake in their calculations regarding daylight savings might explain why they adjusted it by one hour, but not by two.

Edit to add: Just my opinion - I don't have any expertise in this!

I wasn't talking about the photos of WT on the deck (that's a whole other story).

What I meant was that, if they didn't check the CCTV camera at the Tennis Club until after daylight saving had started, three+ weeks after WT went missing, they might have got confused and recorded the time wrong that FF was seen passing by.

 

[LRitz]

Woke up at 7.30
No sorry we had b'fast at 8
I actually was up late
But FF wasn't there nor did I see him
But he asked me what time the chemist opened
He had to go early and was really keen because he has a 3 min drive that took him 45 or more
Had 3 up to b'fast....no sorry 4 ( 2 kids)
This is where it all happened
He was bouncing out of his skull with happiness

If this wasn't true you wouldn't believe the debacle it is

It is possible that FF asked about the chemist when he arrived on Thursday night. Maybe it was FM that told FGM later that he would be some time.

But still agree it is very confusing. From FGM walkthrough, my transcript.

(~5:16) FGM: "I don't think I saw him,….I think he had already gone."
Detective Question: Can you remember what time he left?
"No, Not off hand"

FGM doesn't think she saw him. To me this sounds like a bit of doubt. She either saw him or she didn't. But then she gets back on track and says that he was certainly not there for breakfast, so he must have gone by 8, whether she saw him or not.

Also she can't remember what time he left. But if she did not see him, why not say that she does not know what time he left because she did not see him, or hear his car leave. Ok, could be just slips under stress. But what about seeing his new car with FF and the kids while FM was getting dressed. Oh dear.

Despite her stress and memory lapses she remembers what they ate, and the orange juice, throwing dice, William taking over, the photos.
She is asked again about making phone calls (~13:52) and She gives details of phone call about floor board repairs on Friday afternoon, "....and you know the time that I called...". So does FGM know at this stage that police have now looked at the call record from her phone?

 

[31550]

Does anyone know the exact type of anxiety meds that FF was on? How often did he take them?
There are a number of mentions in the narrative about FF and his meds:

• He says he takes them regularly, but for some reason did not take them to Kendall (was this because they left earlier than originally planned)? Wouldn't he carry these with him, and/or wouldn't FM know to pack them for him?
• He was anxious about getting his meds on the Friday - asked FGM and/or looked up on his computer what time the chemist opened (possibly did this Thursday night when he realised he didn't have them?)
• Was in a hurry to leave the house Friday Morning to get his meds (and do his online conference)
• Yet, did not arrive at Lakewood Pharmacy in time to go in and get them, had to wait for his online meeting to end. If he got there by 9am sharp, he would have had time to get them before his meeting?
• Did he present a prescription at the pharmacy? (Indicating he knew he had to buy more meds, and this was planned) OR did they have to look it up online before dispensing? (Indicating he actually forgot to bring them to Kendall).
• When Rowley attended the FGM house, FF was seen coming out of the bathroom. Had he perhaps just taken his meds or had some sort of anxiety attack?
• Was the bathroom searched? Did they find FF meds in the bathroom? Or packaging in any of the rubbish bins?
• An ambulance was called for FF in the evening. Was this related in any way to his anxiety or medication?
• Are the meds supposed to be taken with alcohol? Fosters were observed drinking wine on the Friday evening, and FF interview also says he drank wine on the Thursday night after arriving.
• How did FF usually transport his meds? Were they in the original child-safe blister packaging, or did he perhaps transfer them (maybe with other pills) into a pill-box, as many people on multiple meds do?
• How did FF usually take his meds? E.g. swallow them with water, or crush them up into his coffee or orange juice?

Why do I want to know all this?
Is it possible that William somehow ingested FF's anxiety meds? Possibly during the early morning chaos?
I know that an overdose of some anti-anxiety medication can bring about behavioural changes, and ultimately result in a seizure and death to a victim. A small child could easily overdose. A seizure would not be immediate, but would probably arise in an hour or two after consuming a fatal dose. It might take a while before the meds took effect on the child.

Was this why it was important for the narrative to include the following points which were emphasised by FGM:

• FF was gone a long time before anything happened to William
• FF did not have his meds at the house, that's why he had to go get some
• everyone was happy
• William was getting fed up with drawing etc, taking over the conversation
• William was full of life, 'jumping out of his skull', then 'deathly quiet'.

This might explain the FM 'drive':
Early in the day William is found to have taken FF's meds. He doesn't show any immediate symptoms so FF leaves for his meeting and to get more meds. Later, William is suffering from the effects of the meds - possibly headaches, dizziness, behavioural changes, change in heart rate or breathing (asthma attack?) - eventually leading to a fatal seizure after he runs round the verandah. FM finds him in the front yard - realises that if an autopsy / toxicology analysis is performed, then the meds will be found in his system. This would be criminal negligence on behalf of the FF - children should never have access to this sort of medication. So she drives him away and hides him before FF returns home, and invents the 'wandered off, can't find him' narrative.
Later in the evening she tells FF what really happened - FF has a guilt / panic attack as he knows he is responsible. Then later, he realises if the body is ever found, there is still a risk that a toxicology will be done, so he goes out and moves the body to a more secure location.

FGM and FM divert attention away from FF by ensuring police know that FF was 'long gone' before anything happened to William. Yet, there is no real need for them to do this as the chemist receipt and online conference provide him a cast-iron alibi for 9.30-10.00.

Yet, the story around activities from say 8am to 9am is very muddled. Some say they had breakfast. Some say FF wasn't there at all. Some say bike riding, tree climbing etc. What did they really do between 8am and 9am? Perhaps panic about William ingesting FF's meds, and watching him, before deciding it was OK for FF to leave for his meeting and replenish his meds. Then they had breakfast and went to the verandah (as per FGM walkthrough, only later).

 

[Earls Smother]

Does anyone know the exact type of anxiety meds that FF was on? How often did he take them?
There are a number of mentions in the narrative about FF and his meds:

• He says he takes them regularly, but for some reason did not take them to Kendall (was this because they left earlier than originally planned)? Wouldn't he carry these with him, and/or wouldn't FM know to pack them for him?
• He was anxious about getting his meds on the Friday - asked FGM and/or looked up on his computer what time the chemist opened (possibly did this Thursday night when he realised he didn't have them?)
• Was in a hurry to leave the house Friday Morning to get his meds (and do his online conference)
• Yet, did not arrive at Lakewood Pharmacy in time to go in and get them, had to wait for his online meeting to end. If he got there by 9am sharp, he would have had time to get them before his meeting?
• Did he present a prescription at the pharmacy? (Indicating he knew he had to buy more meds, and this was planned) OR did they have to look it up online before dispensing? (Indicating he actually forgot to bring them to Kendall).
• When Rowley attended the FGM house, FF was seen coming out of the bathroom. Had he perhaps just taken his meds or had some sort of anxiety attack?
• Was the bathroom searched? Did they find FF meds in the bathroom? Or packaging in any of the rubbish bins?
• An ambulance was called for FF in the evening. Was this related in any way to his anxiety or medication?
• Are the meds supposed to be taken with alcohol? Fosters were observed drinking wine on the Friday evening, and FF interview also says he drank wine on the Thursday night after arriving.
• How did FF usually transport his meds? Were they in the original child-safe blister packaging, or did he perhaps transfer them (maybe with other pills) into a pill-box, as many people on multiple meds do?
• How did FF usually take his meds? E.g. swallow them with water, or crush them up into his coffee or orange juice?

Why do I want to know all this?
Is it possible that William somehow ingested FF's anxiety meds? Possibly during the early morning chaos?
I know that an overdose of some anti-anxiety medication can bring about behavioural changes, and ultimately result in a seizure and death to a victim. A small child could easily overdose. A seizure would not be immediate, but would probably arise in an hour or two after consuming a fatal dose. It might take a while before the meds took effect on the child.

Was this why it was important for the narrative to include the following points which were emphasised by FGM:

• FF was gone a long time before anything happened to William
• FF did not have his meds at the house, that's why he had to go get some
• everyone was happy
• William was getting fed up with drawing etc, taking over the conversation
• William was full of life, 'jumping out of his skull', then 'deathly quiet'.

This might explain the FM 'drive':
Early in the day William is found to have taken FF's meds. He doesn't show any immediate symptoms so FF leaves for his meeting and to get more meds. Later, William is suffering from the effects of the meds - possibly headaches, dizziness, behavioural changes, change in heart rate or breathing (asthma attack?) - eventually leading to a fatal seizure after he runs round the verandah. FM finds him in the front yard - realises that if an autopsy / toxicology analysis is performed, then the meds will be found in his system. This would be criminal negligence on behalf of the FF - children should never have access to this sort of medication. So she drives him away and hides him before FF returns home, and invents the 'wandered off, can't find him' narrative.
Later in the evening she tells FF what really happened - FF has a guilt / panic attack as he knows he is responsible. Then later, he realises if the body is ever found, there is still a risk that a toxicology will be done, so he goes out and moves the body to a more secure location.

FGM and FM divert attention away from FF by ensuring police know that FF was 'long gone' before anything happened to William. Yet, there is no real need for them to do this as the chemist receipt and online conference provide him a cast-iron alibi for 9.30-10.00.

Yet, the story around activities from say 8am to 9am is very muddled. Some say they had breakfast. Some say FF wasn't there at all. Some say bike riding, tree climbing etc. What did they really do between 8am and 9am? Perhaps panic about William ingesting FF's meds, and watching him, before deciding it was OK for FF to leave for his meeting and replenish his meds. Then they had breakfast and went to the verandah (as per FGM walkthrough, only later).

OR,

FF knew he had run out of meds and intended to get them in Sydney Thursday PM. Plans changed and they left early, so he took his script to get them ASAP in Kendall. Couldn't get them Thursday as they arrived too late. Planned to get them early Friday and asked relevant questions re opening time of chemist.

Hence there were no meds in the house for William to accidentally ingest. If there were, FF would have taken them and wouldn't have been in an urgent rush to get them first thing - he could have got them anytime later in the day.

If the above had happened, why wouldn't they have have called an ambulance at the first sign of William having any issues? It's not criminal negligence to make a genuine mistake, or why aren't people locked up when their kid dies from ingesting a battery?

 

[Lady O]

Does anyone know the exact type of anxiety meds that FF was on? How often did he take them?
There are a number of mentions in the narrative about FF and his meds:

• He says he takes them regularly, but for some reason did not take them to Kendall (was this because they left earlier than originally planned)? Wouldn't he carry these with him, and/or wouldn't FM know to pack them for him?
• He was anxious about getting his meds on the Friday - asked FGM and/or looked up on his computer what time the chemist opened (possibly did this Thursday night when he realised he didn't have them?)
• Was in a hurry to leave the house Friday Morning to get his meds (and do his online conference)
• Yet, did not arrive at Lakewood Pharmacy in time to go in and get them, had to wait for his online meeting to end. If he got there by 9am sharp, he would have had time to get them before his meeting?
• Did he present a prescription at the pharmacy? (Indicating he knew he had to buy more meds, and this was planned) OR did they have to look it up online before dispensing? (Indicating he actually forgot to bring them to Kendall).
• When Rowley attended the FGM house, FF was seen coming out of the bathroom. Had he perhaps just taken his meds or had some sort of anxiety attack?
• Was the bathroom searched? Did they find FF meds in the bathroom? Or packaging in any of the rubbish bins?
• An ambulance was called for FF in the evening. Was this related in any way to his anxiety or medication?
• Are the meds supposed to be taken with alcohol? Fosters were observed drinking wine on the Friday evening, and FF interview also says he drank wine on the Thursday night after arriving.
• How did FF usually transport his meds? Were they in the original child-safe blister packaging, or did he perhaps transfer them (maybe with other pills) into a pill-box, as many people on multiple meds do?
• How did FF usually take his meds? E.g. swallow them with water, or crush them up into his coffee or orange juice?

Why do I want to know all this?
Is it possible that William somehow ingested FF's anxiety meds? Possibly during the early morning chaos?
I know that an overdose of some anti-anxiety medication can bring about behavioural changes, and ultimately result in a seizure and death to a victim. A small child could easily overdose. A seizure would not be immediate, but would probably arise in an hour or two after consuming a fatal dose. It might take a while before the meds took effect on the child.

Was this why it was important for the narrative to include the following points which were emphasised by FGM:

• FF was gone a long time before anything happened to William
• FF did not have his meds at the house, that's why he had to go get some
• everyone was happy
• William was getting fed up with drawing etc, taking over the conversation
• William was full of life, 'jumping out of his skull', then 'deathly quiet'.

This might explain the FM 'drive':
Early in the day William is found to have taken FF's meds. He doesn't show any immediate symptoms so FF leaves for his meeting and to get more meds. Later, William is suffering from the effects of the meds - possibly headaches, dizziness, behavioural changes, change in heart rate or breathing (asthma attack?) - eventually leading to a fatal seizure after he runs round the verandah. FM finds him in the front yard - realises that if an autopsy / toxicology analysis is performed, then the meds will be found in his system. This would be criminal negligence on behalf of the FF - children should never have access to this sort of medication. So she drives him away and hides him before FF returns home, and invents the 'wandered off, can't find him' narrative.
Later in the evening she tells FF what really happened - FF has a guilt / panic attack as he knows he is responsible. Then later, he realises if the body is ever found, there is still a risk that a toxicology will be done, so he goes out and moves the body to a more secure location.

FGM and FM divert attention away from FF by ensuring police know that FF was 'long gone' before anything happened to William. Yet, there is no real need for them to do this as the chemist receipt and online conference provide him a cast-iron alibi for 9.30-10.00.

Yet, the story around activities from say 8am to 9am is very muddled. Some say they had breakfast. Some say FF wasn't there at all. Some say bike riding, tree climbing etc. What did they really do between 8am and 9am? Perhaps panic about William ingesting FF's meds, and watching him, before deciding it was OK for FF to leave for his meeting and replenish his meds. Then they had breakfast and went to the verandah (as per FGM walkthrough, only later).

Again, you would immediately phone a doctor if you thought the 3yo had taken Daddy's happy pills. Not just go and get more first thing the next morning and don't say anything and then when you find WT dead later still not say anything, just dispose of the body.

 

[31550]

OR,

FF knew he had run out of meds and intended to get them in Sydney Thursday PM. Plans changed and they left early, so he took his script to get them ASAP in Kendall. Couldn't get them Thursday as they arrived too late. Planned to get them early Friday and asked relevant questions re opening time of chemist.

Hence there were no meds in the house for William to accidentally ingest. If there were, FF would have taken them and wouldn't have been in an urgent rush to get them first thing - he could have got them anytime later in the day.

If the above had happened, why wouldn't they have have called an ambulance at the first sign of William having any issues? It's not criminal negligence to make a genuine mistake, or why aren't people locked up when their kid dies from ingesting a battery?

That's why it's important to know the details of his prescription, and the dates / quantities / when it was filled, and his daily dosage patterns and routine. Like, when does he usually take them, and when did he realise he didn't have them? Did he have the actual script or not? Did he swallow them or crush them into juice? Did he ever leave them lying around?

It could be as you suggest, but then why does the FGM in her walkthrough go out of her way to emphasise how FF left the house early, and that she did not see him that morning? When did FF ask her about the chemist? That morning or the night before? Why wasn't he at the chemist at 9am sharp if they were so important?

Did the police actually examine the pill packet themselves, to determine how many were missing? Was there any evidence of pills in the bathroom?

Of course it's not criminal negligence to make a genuine mistake, but it seems FF was never asked what particular precautions he took to ensure William could not access his pills. (Just as nobody seemed to care about William having access to the FGM high balcony).

Why didn't they immediately call an ambulance? If it was a genuine accident then of course they probably would have. But how does a 3YO boy accidentally ingest a fatal dose of such medication, when it would normally be blister-packed and kept in a secure location? If it was ingested by William, it wouldn't have been by pure accident, but by a negligent act which they might not want to admit to.