Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[passball]

It's theoretically possible, but such a person would then be subject to charges of perjury.

What if Police found evidence of William and told person1 that they knew that William's body had been somewhere in the house.
They asked a question to person1 about this and they lied. But, Police had proof, William had been at the house deceased, person1 lied to them which would get person1 in a lot of trouble.
They then were offered the 61 and person1 took it.
Person1 confessed and that they had been told information from person2. Person1 thought they were telling the truth to Police at that time. Search finished without a body.
Person2 has either lied to person1 or person3 has moved William's body unbeknown to person1 or 2.
Wouldn't be perjury then would it?
I have so confused myself, haha

 

[js47]

That is the door from the carport. It goes to a hallway leading to bedrooms 2 &3, laundry and bathroom.

No there is a door Lady O in the garage under the lounge room. That leads up to the house. The door is in the photo of the bikes and cleaning products. It has two steps up to it.

 

[Lady O]

I remember reading early on in this thread about the Foster Grandparents coming from PNG and that it could be possible they would have a hiding place at the house. Apparently that's what people in PNG have to hide valuables, maybe even big enough for a body.
I'd never heard about that before.
There was also talk about the Foster Grandad being an engineer and he might have had something to do to have one of these safe places.
So every time I see the rail I don't understand why it's randomly there in the middle of the house, looks like part of a stair rail.
I wonder if there was anything over a hidden opening on the floor which leads downstairs but is concealed at both ends, hidden by furniture, rug, carpet?

There is NO STAIRCASE from the loungeroom down to the lower garage.

 

[31550]

What if Police found evidence of William and told person1 that they knew that William's body had been somewhere in the house.
They asked a question to person1 about this and they lied. But, Police had proof, William had been at the house deceased, person1 lied to them which would get person1 in a lot of trouble.
They then were offered the 61 and person1 took it.
Person1 confessed and that they had been told information from person2. Person1 thought they were telling the truth to Police at that time. Search finished without a body.
Person2 has either lied to person1 or person3 has moved William's body unbeknown to person1 or 2.
Wouldn't be perjury then would it?
I have so confused myself, haha

If you could actually translate that into coherent English I'll try to respond.

 

[Lady O]

No there is a door Lady O in the garage under the lounge room. That leads up to the house. The door is in the photo of the bikes and cleaning products. It has two steps up to it.

Can you read a plan?

Look at the carport. Here is the steps.

 

[passball]

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There is NO STAIRCASE from the loungeroom down to the lower garage.

I had that exact rail that you see, white painted, with my internal staircase.
I know because I would disinfect it regularly during Covid. It's a staircase rail but there is not a staircase (unless there is)

 

[js47]

It fits if you look at it one way:
A fatal 'incident' (as opposed to accident) occurs. FM is responsible for the incident so she quickly drives William a short distance (say 2km to 5km) away, and conceals him and returns to the house shortly before FF.
Sending that nobody else is aware of what happened, immediately she creates the 'cant find him' narrative.
The drive is therefore executed some time after 9.37 photo and before 10.35 FF return home. Hence the car is warm.
In case someone saw FM driving FGMs car, she adds it to the narrative with the explanation that it was after William went missing and she was looking for him.

Later that evening she tells FF the truth and he subsequently moves the body elsewhere during the early hours of the following morning.

It fits.

I have always respected the way you reason a possibility out. You are probably right.
All the people posting on this site are really trying to think of possibilities.
So far if we don’t dig deeper we go round in circles.

 

[Kurve]

No there is a door Lady O in the garage under the lounge room. That leads up to the house. The door is in the photo of the bikes and cleaning products. It has two steps up to it.

The garage can't be accessed from inside the house, there are no stairs that connect it. That little garage is just for garden storage.

 

[Lady O]

I had that exact rail that you see, white painted, with my internal staircase.
I know because I would disinfect it regularly during Covid. It's a staircase rail but there is not staircase (unless there is)

NO STAIRCASE!!

 

[passball]

If you could actually translate that into coherent English I'll try to respond.

Yes I could edit it but don't know if it would come out any different unless I name names.
Person1- FF
Person2- FM
Person3- unknown picker-up of Williams body.

 

[js47]

Link?

#379 photo of door
#380 plan
If you look between the entry and lounge you will see an opening.
Next to the opening you will see a double line. I am pretty sure that indicates a doorway which would be where you would probable come up the stairs into the house.

 

[31550]

Yes I could edit it but don't know if it would come out any different unless I name names.
Person1- FF
Person2- FM
Person3- unknown picker-up of Williams body.

I see where you are going but lying to police is not the same as perjury. You were asking about S61 provisions, which provide protection against self incrimination, but not against perjury. It's specific to the Coroner's court as well.

 

[Lady O]

#379 photo of door
#380 plan
If you look between the entry and lounge you will see an opening.
Next to the opening you will see a double line. I am pretty sure that indicates a doorway which would be where you would probable come up the stairs into the house.

This is the garage under the house. Where do you see a staircase?

 

[Kurve]

This is the garage under the house. Where do you see a staircase?

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That was open space, I think this is the garage/storage referred to.

 

[LRitz]

What's the point?

There seems to be some teams. Though they will say that they are open minded and do not know what happened, and open to any possibilities.
Just like AFL you can never really change your colours.

Abduction Team. Planned or unplanned by known or unknown.

Accident Team. Unplanned accident or incident followed by cover up in a panic.

Planned Team.

Just trying to cover all possibilities. FM may have preferred the Land Rover.
FF alibi is covered.
FM's alibi is that there is not much time, the Mazda could not go far, the FGM would have to have been involved, and there is no evidence.

 

[Lady O]

That was open space, I think this is the garage/storage referred to.

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Same place, only my pic was inside the roller door.

 

[Kurve]

Same place, only my pic was inside the roller door.

I thought that was the open space underneath the house which was concreted over when the new owners moved in.

 

[Kurve]

This is the garage under the house. Where do you see a staircase?

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Anyway, it creeps me a bit that space.

 

[Lady O]

I thought that was the open space underneath the house which was concreted over when the new owners moved in.

Yep, it has a roller door and a pile of dirt under the house. Here the cops are using the ground penetrating radar on the new concrete floor.

 

[31550]

There seems to be some teams. Though they will say that they are open minded and do not know what happened, and open to any possibilities.
Just like AFL you can never really change your colours.

Abduction Team. Planned or unplanned by known or unknown.

Accident Team. Unplanned accident or incident followed by cover up in a panic.

Planned Team.

Just trying to cover all possibilities. FM may have preferred the Land Rover.
FF alibi is covered.
FM's alibi is that there is not much time, the Mazda could not go far, the FGM would have to have been involved, and there is no evidence.

As far as I'm concerned the 'teams' are:

Logic / reason vs Fantasy / conspiracy
Truth vs Lies
Evidence vs Assumptions
Facts vs Narrative
Probability vs Improbability
Privileged vs Disadvantaged

 

[Kurve]

Yep, it has a roller door and a pile of dirt under the house. Here the cops are using the ground penetrating radar on the new concrete floor.

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Thanks for clearing that up, it's bigger than I'd thought and a bit kind of off.

 

[Kurve]

This is the garage under the house. Where do you see a staircase?

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I'd hope they searched well in to all that dirt on the side.

 

[passball]

I'd hope they searched well in to all that dirt on the side.

Probably not.
If I was going to bother paying to clean up the garage and concrete I would get rid of the dirt first. Why wouldn't you, it's such a mess?
And would the cadaver dog be able to smell down to the bottom of the dirt.
I'm not that confident with the machine either. And they were going so fast. I would be driving that thing like Ms Daisy.
Pretty sure they used that in the Dawson case as well. No Lynette and no William.
I would have more faith if they just ripped the concrete up even though the owner wouldnt be happy but if no expense is spared well.

 

[Lady O]

I'd hope they searched well in to all that dirt on the side.

The puppies searched it.

 

[js47]

The garage can't be accessed from inside the house, there are no stairs that connect it. That little garage is just for garden storage.

Thanks Kurve, but where does the screen door go to?