Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[31550]

If they knew he was not coming and that he did not have the parts why make the phone call.

Maybe they did not want him to come when they were out having a wonderful family outing at the cemetery.

It took the police a while before they found out about the school assembly (and a bit of compensation $ after) so presumably the FGM did not know either.

They didn't know whether he was coming or not, or whether he had all the parts or not. Read the books. They both cover this in detail, and are presumably correct.

FGM told FM the washing machine was broken, had been broken for some time, and she was waiting for Spedding to come and fix it. He had already been over to inspect the machine and diagnose the problem in the preceding week or weeks.
He had one part and was waiting on another. He said he would ring when the parts came in, possibly on the Friday. The parts didn't come in, so he didn't ring. FM took it on herself to ring him, probably because she was anxious to use the washing machine, or because she didn't want her mother to wait. FGM was just waiting for him to turn up whenever. FM was impatient.

 

[LRitz]

If you ask me the original FM police statement is setting up the biological family.

It seems like a bit of a stretch for the FM to single out the biological family.Would they have even known that William was in Kendall that morning?
Maybe fosters were just setting up multiple distractions. Yes the biological family (they would always have been on the list of suspects) but also strangers in mystery cars, unusual neighbours, recent visits by repair men to the house.

 

[31550]

It seems like a bit of a stretch for the FM to single out the biological family.Would they have even known that William was in Kendall that morning?
Maybe fosters were just setting up multiple distractions. Yes the biological family (they would always have been on the list of suspects) but also strangers in mystery cars, unusual neighbours, recent visits by repair men to the house.

There a number of paragraphs in the 2014 FM statement about the bios. There is nothing about any other 3rd parties. Why?

In some foster situations FACS will inform the bio parents if the children are taken anywhere other than their usual placement. (I don't think that would be so in this case.) But the children had been to Kendall before, and the bios would have been aware of this.

Remember that William had previously been "abducted" by his bios. I think they were an easy target for the FM to direct police attention.

 

[Wallace52]

It seems like a bit of a stretch for the FM to single out the biological family.

She singles them out in her 2016 interview with former Detective Jubelin, at Parramatta police station.

It’s not a stretch.

Would they have even known that William was in Kendall that morning?
Maybe fosters were just setting up multiple distractions. Yes the biological family (they would always have been on the list of suspects) but also strangers in mystery cars, unusual neighbours, recent visits by repair men to the house.

Yeah maybe! Or maybe like desperate, sad and grieving parents, they were just wracking their brains trying to come up with answers and hypothetical scenarios to explain both to themselves and others what may have happened to their foster son.

IMHO

 

[stormbird]

IMO, one of the possibilities in William's case is that he was hit by a vehicle and his body was hidden - which reportedly is the cause of the recent death and disappearance of a two-year-old girl in Serbia:

"Her disappearance, the ensuing search and finally the confirmation of her death have led the headlines in Serbia since [Danka Ilic] vanished while she was playing at her grandfather's house 10 days ago.

Two men - both aged 50 - are now in custody, suspected of murder. Police say they confessed to hitting Danka with their car.

They failed to call for assistance. Instead, apparently assuming she was dead, they put Danka into the vehicle and drove off. ...

"Danka's father apparently flagged down the men's car and asked if they had seen the girl.

Despite the fact that she was actually in the vehicle, the men denied so much as setting eyes on her. ...

"Analysis of the men's movements suggests that their vehicle - a Fiat Panda - was travelling at just 20km/h (12.4 mph) at the time of the incident."

- Serbia gripped by missing two-year-old girl case as police search for body, BBC, 6 April 2024

 

[Wallace52]

he was hit by a vehicle and his body was hidden - which reportedly is the cause of the recent death and disappearance of a two-year-old girl in Serbia:

Yes, but that would require hosing down the driveway at 48 Benaroon Drive…..
Oh, hang on…..

 

[stormbird]

IMO, one of the possibilities in William's case is that he was hit by a vehicle and his body was hidden - which reportedly is the cause of the recent death and disappearance of a two-year-old girl in Serbia:

"Her disappearance, the ensuing search and finally the confirmation of her death have led the headlines in Serbia since [Danka Ilic] vanished while she was playing at her grandfather's house 10 days ago.

Two men - both aged 50 - are now in custody, suspected of murder. Police say they confessed to hitting Danka with their car.

They failed to call for assistance. Instead, apparently assuming she was dead, they put Danka into the vehicle and drove off. ...

"Danka's father apparently flagged down the men's car and asked if they had seen the girl.

Despite the fact that she was actually in the vehicle, the men denied so much as setting eyes on her. ...

"Analysis of the men's movements suggests that their vehicle - a Fiat Panda - was travelling at just 20km/h (12.4 mph) at the time of the incident."

- Serbia gripped by missing two-year-old girl case as police search for body, BBC, 6 April 2024

From the USA's ABC News, 4 April 2024:

"Police have arrested two men suspected of hitting Danka Ilic with their vehicle when she walked out of a yard in the eastern town of Bor, [Serbia's] Interior Minister Bratislav Gasic said.

The two suspects are employees of the local state waterworks company and were on assignment when they hit the girl with their car, Gasic said.

They picked up the girl’s body, put in the trunk where they kept their tools and drove to a landfill where they dumped the body, Gasic said. ...

“The girl’s father stopped them in his car and asked if they saw the girl, and they said no,” Gasic said. “One of the men later even joined the search.” ...

Police are still looking for the girl’s body. Gasic said the men probably moved it later to another location."

 

[31550]

IMO, one of the possibilities in William's case is that he was hit by a vehicle and his body was hidden - which reportedly is the cause of the recent death and disappearance of a two-year-old girl in Serbia:

"Her disappearance, the ensuing search and finally the confirmation of her death have led the headlines in Serbia since [Danka Ilic] vanished while she was playing at her grandfather's house 10 days ago.

Two men - both aged 50 - are now in custody, suspected of murder. Police say they confessed to hitting Danka with their car.

They failed to call for assistance. Instead, apparently assuming she was dead, they put Danka into the vehicle and drove off. ...

"Danka's father apparently flagged down the men's car and asked if they had seen the girl.

Despite the fact that she was actually in the vehicle, the men denied so much as setting eyes on her. ...

"Analysis of the men's movements suggests that their vehicle - a Fiat Panda - was travelling at just 20km/h (12.4 mph) at the time of the incident."

- Serbia gripped by missing two-year-old girl case as police search for body, BBC, 6 April 2024

A driveway or even Benaroon Drive vehicular accident would unlikely have been fatal in my opinion. Car would not be moving fast enough, and if it was, someone would probably have seen or heard it. Batar Creek Rd however is a different prospect.

 

[Wallace52]

A driveway or even Benaroon Drive vehicular accident would unlikely have been fatal in my opinion. Car would not be moving fast enough, and if it was, someone would probably have seen or heard it. Batar Creek Rd however is a different prospect.

That is a very good point!!!

 

[LRitz]

IMO, one of the possibilities in William's case is that he was hit by a vehicle and his body was hidden - which reportedly is the cause of the recent death and disappearance of a two-year-old girl in Serbia:

Vehicle accident a real possibility. Which vehicle do you think was involved?

Accident with FF car:
FF had left before 9:00 (evidence of tennis club cctv). Photo on patio of William taken at 9:37. By 9:37 and onwards FF and his car are well accounted for ( work conference call, other phone calls, pharmacy etc). So unless there was an accident when he arrived back home at 10:30 -ish and they hid the body and raised the alarm with the neighbours immediately, which seems unlikely IMO, it was not an accident with his car. I assume, but I do not know, that they would have checked both cars in the search for William that day. Kids have been known to be left in cars by mistake. Also this does not account for reason of car trip by FM in FGM's car before 10:00.

Accident after 9:37 with FGM's car:
After the photo, FGM or FM drives the car. (reason for drive or moving the car not known). William is injured. FM then drives to Batar Rd and hides body. Fits in with police dogs finding scent of WT on driveway.
Points against this. This is a terrible decision to make in just moments and they both agree not to get medical help. It must have been a very quiet accident as sister is not aware of what is happening. They hide all evidence on the driveway and on the car.

Accident with another car:
Someone else runs over William as he ran onto the road. They take and hide the body.
But the FM does not hear a car. Also does not explain why she concealed her drive to Batar Creek Rd, that she says was just to look for William.

 

[Wallace52]

Accident with another car:
Someone else runs over William as he ran onto the road. They take and hide the body.
But the FM does not hear a car. Also does not explain why she concealed her drive to Batar Creek Rd, that she says was just to look for William.

If he was run over by a car, my money is on this situation.

Having said that, I don’t really think he was likely hit by a car.

IMO

 

[31550]

William tries to escape from time out punishment on the balcony and falls off. FM finds him and decides to drive him in FGM car to Batar Creek Rd to make it look like he wandered off and got run over. Drives home in time to alert FF that she can't find him. Thinks FF might have seen him on the road. "Have you got William?” Drug affected hoon speeding on Batar Creek Rd runs William over, stops then picks the body and hides it and conceal the crime.

 

[Wallace52]

William tries to escape from time out punishment on the balcony and falls off. FM finds him and decides to drive him in FGM car to Batar Creek Rd to make it look like he wandered off and got run over. Drives home in time to alert FF that she can't find him. Thinks FF might have seen him on the road. "Have you got William?”

So you think the Fm just put him on an actual road somewhere ?? Not on the side of the road?

Drug affected hoon speeding on Batar Creek Rd runs William over, stops then picks the body and hides it and conceal the crime.

 

[31550]

So you think the Fm just put him on an actual road somewhere ?? Not on the side of the road?

Yeah I think it's possible she wanted it to look like he'd been run over to hide the balcony fall injury.

Another possibility is she took him down there as a punishment and told him to wait for FF at the corner, ... ?

 

[Wallace52]

Another possibility is she took him down there as a punishment and told him to wait for FF at the corner, ... ?

Omg.

Maybe.

 

[Wallace52]

Advocacy Australia / brainchild of Clare and Alice Collins….
An excerpt from their website:

Harm Prevention

We promote harm prevention and control of emotional abuse by fostering social justice for individuals, children and families who have suffered as a result of human rights abuse, having been a victim of serious crime and international child abduction.

70% of children subject to parental abduction suffer significant emotional and mental health effects. As part of our welfare and human rights harm prevention activities, Advocacy Australia aims to offer intervention resources to those parents considering absconding with their children so they may consider alternate options to help resolve issues and prevent the harm caused to their children’s mental health and the mental health of the parent and family left behind when Australian born children are the subject of international child abduction.

Advocacy Australia relieves the suffering, distress and helplessness of victims of international child abduction through advocacy and providing emotional and mental health support services including through support groups. We provided advice to improve understanding of their rights and communication services to empower victims to fight for justice for their family; and, we lobby government representatives and departments to enforce the Hague Convention for Australian-born children.





https://advocacyaustralia.org.au/harm-prevention/

 

[31550]

70% of children subject to parental abduction suffer significant emotional and mental health effects.

Sorry this is off-topic. No doubt this is a serious issue, but "parental abduction" is a very specialised case and IMO should probably be called something other than 'abduction'. We need to look at why a parent considers it necessary or appropriate to 'abduct' their own child, and this is a very complex issue which should not be generalised IMO.

We don't call it 'abduction' when the State takes a child from their biological parents. Perhaps we should have some different, more appropriate terminology?

Anyway - this is slightly tangential to William's case.

I do hope this is not sneaky deliberate deflection from 'Advocacy Australia'.

 

[Wallace52]

Sorry this is off-topic. No doubt this is a serious issue, but "parental abduction" is a very specialised case and IMO should probably be called something other than 'abduction'. We need to look at why a parent considers it necessary or appropriate to 'abduct' their own child, and this is a very complex issue which should not be generalised IMO.

We don't call it 'abduction' when the State takes a child from their biological parents. Perhaps we should have some different, more appropriate terminology?

Anyway - this is slightly tangential to William's case.

I do hope this is not sneaky deliberate deflection from 'Advocacy Australia'.

It’s off topic, and I apologise for that, but these are the people who created the “Where’s William?” campaign, and now they are looking at biological parental abduction of children.

Why?

 

[31550]

It’s off topic, and I apologise for that, but these are the people who created the “Where’s William?” campaign, and now they are looking at biological parental abduction of children.

Why?

Hetty is the founder of Bravehearts.

https://bravehearts.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/BH-Financial-Report-2022.pdf

In 2022, Bravehearts received revenue of nearly $8.5M with net assets of around $4.5M.
It paid its 'employees benefits' of over $6M (excluding travel, motor vehicle and sundry expenses of well over $1M).
Its main business activity seems to be the travelling 'Ditto' show which visits schools.

Ditto’s Keep Safe Adventure Program | Bravehearts

Ditto's Keep Safe Adventure program offers trusted and effective personal safety education for young children.

bravehearts.org.au

Bravehearts is a registered NFP charity, with over 80% of its revenue coming from government grants and public donations.
It also charges 'service fees' (16% of income).
It does not distribute any funding to its clients, only 'services', e.g. counselling.
They claim to have around 700 'clients' under case management.

 

[shorsky]

Hetty is the founder of Bravehearts.

https://bravehearts.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/BH-Financial-Report-2022.pdf

In 2022, Bravehearts received revenue of nearly $8.5M with net assets of around $4.5M.
It paid its 'employees benefits' of over $6M (excluding travel, motor vehicle and sundry expenses of well over $1M).
Its main business activity seems to be the travelling 'Ditto' show which visits schools.

Ditto’s Keep Safe Adventure Program | Bravehearts

Ditto's Keep Safe Adventure program offers trusted and effective personal safety education for young children.

bravehearts.org.au

Bravehearts is a registered NFP charity, with over 80% of its revenue coming from government grants and public donations.
It also charges 'service fees' (16% of income).
It does not distribute any funding to its clients, only 'services', e.g. counselling.
They claim to have around 700 'clients' under case management.

I don’t believe there’s been any Bravehearts association for some years - imo .

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t believe there’s been any Bravehearts association for some years - imo .

That’s right. Bravehearts split off from the Where’s William? campaign around 2019, and prior to that, Hetty Johnston resigned from Bravehearts in circa 2017.
https://kendallgilding.com/my30minutes/2017/10/17/hetty-johnston

Regarding Bravehearts Inc. split from Insight Comms, “A dispute over money has split the two organisations behind the Where’s William campaign”, Caroline Overington, 2019.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...k=9068b14255e91420ccb444167e2d520e-1712492421

Regarding her resignation from Bravehearts, Ms Johnston said she had no regrets throughout her career, but admitted the job had taken a toll on her, especially while working with Bravehearts on the Abbey’s Project paper on the failings of the family law system.

As my original Facebook screenshot implies - years ago, in her capacity as the founder of Bravehearts Inc, Hetty was appointed as the spokesperson for the “Where’s William?” campaign.

Hetty remains a lobbyist who often highlights and promotes action against paedophilia within media, families, schools and in the general community.

Interestingly she no longer is involved with the Where’s William? campaign even though she is a lobbyist in the child safety space.

I wonder if, with the benefit of hindsight, she regrets having worked with the foster parents and Insight Comms on that campaign, or if she’s still happy with the work she did throughout that time.​

The photograph attached was posted on 17 Sept, 2015 by the official Where’s William? Facebook page.

 

[Poppy Penny]

I don’t believe there’s been any Bravehearts association for some years - imo .

Alice and Clare need to update their Where’s William website. So much outdated information on there. Hardly professional.

 

[Wallace52]

Alice and Clare need to update their Where’s William website. So much outdated information on there. Hardly professional.

At least they’ve finally taken the Daniel Morecombe Foundation references and logos down. Reference to the DMF dis affiliation saga attached here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...recombe-distance-William-Tyrrell-charity.html

That’s a start. IMO.

The Facebook page from their campaign claims William was “tragically” abducted on 12 Sept, 2014 - and there’s no evidence of that. It’s a bit deceptive, really.

Screenshots from 8 April, 2024 attached herein: ~ apologies for my amateurish purple highlighting! ~

Supporting link to the screenshots is here:
https://www.facebook.com/share/21f1vRT4Kokg1fez/?mibextid=LQQJ4d

 

[LRitz]

Alice and Clare need to update their Where’s William website. So much outdated information on there. Hardly professional.

Thanks for all this information. I have not followed all the social media sites.

 

[LRitz]

Reference to the DMF dis affiliation saga attached here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...recombe-distance-William-Tyrrell-charity.html

This dailymail Candace story (Dec 2022) has this from Where’s William site:
.... “Your donations have contributed towards the production and management of variety of communication resources including graphic design, web hosting, posters and so on.”.....
“And so on”

I feel a bit sorry for those generous donors.