Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

How do any of those things make it more likely that someone can do what is alleged?

I'm not talking about the initial act, but the ability to expertly carry out the disposal without making a mistake? If someone was stressed to bits and not functioning, they are not going to make smart decisions. They are very, very likely to **** up, putting it bluntly.

If you want to use stressors to explain a crazy act, you need to counterbalance that, with considering how it would affect what she would do afterwards. How does she go from what you have described, to a cool, calculating machine, that can have carried out the post-death actions so well, as to avoid any police detection? Of anything, anywhere?

Because she had help. Some one with a vested interest in maintaining her standing in the community. I do not believe William was driven away in the car.

 

[Wallace52]

Because she had help. Some one with a vested interest in maintaining her standing in the community. I do not believe William was driven away in the car.

Of course she had help.

 

[Earls Smother]

Because she had help. Some one with a vested interest in maintaining her standing in the community. I do not believe William was driven away in the car.

Then why is the police theory based around her and where she drove? Why do they want her on the stand at the next tranche, rather than the "helper"?

 

[Wallace52]

Then why is the police theory based around her and where she drove? Why do they want her on the stand at the next tranche, rather than the "helper"?

It’s a mystery. Maybe they have evidence that we don’t know about?

Their theory doesn’t make much sense to me at this point.

The motive in particular, is nonsensical. What kind of parent doesn’t call 000 when their child has an accident?

It doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Wallace52]

I think it’s possible FM wasn’t afraid of losing custody, but that it would delay the adoption temporarily or permanently. FM didn’t want to have to deal with the bio family anymore or comply with the rules and scrutiny put on foster parents.

Preach.

 

[31550]

Then why is the police theory based around her and where she drove? Why do they want her on the stand at the next tranche, rather than the "helper"?

Because it is her story that she took the drive, alone, looking for William. They need to test the truth of this story because nobody witnessed it so there is doubt about where she went and when. If her testimony does not align with facts and sworn testimony of other witnesses, then it may be demonstrable she lied about the drive. If the drive was not to look for William then what was its purpose?
Whether or not there is a helper, and who the helper is, may be revealed. If the drive went elsewhere or was made by someone else, or was earlier than previously stated, it could reveal many more details.

 

[Wallace52]

You know what I think??

Like the police have a theory, I also have a theory. I’m going to outline my theory, and I could be totally wrong but it’s just a theory.

I think maybe the FF has turned police informant. Allow me to explain my thinking….

He’s the only one who would know what happened, right?

He’s done a deal with the cops. IMO. And he’s acting the part until the cops have enough to put the FM away.

And part of the deal is that he wasn’t involved and it was an “accident.”

That’s the best theory I’ve come across in a while.* takes bow*

Also: He got a closed court for the lying trial. All media locked out for most hearings. The FM didn’t get that.

He got off on his assault charge.

FM was convicted with assault.

The police said
“we know where, we know when, we know how” in relation to the FM and William’s body.

It’s got to be the FF. No one else could be such a strong witness. Their concrete info could not be based on a random truck driver. It’s got to be the FF that is the mystery witness, not the truck driver.

And before you say “well FF is not informant material,” we know (thank you Dan Box!) that Gary Jubelin used Tony Jones as a police informant in prison whilst questioning the falsely-accused Bill Spedding. We know that.

 

[Wallace52]

it is her story that she took the drive, alone, looking for William. They need to test the truth of this story because nobody witnessed it so there is doubt about where she went and when. If her testimony does not align with facts and sworn testimony of other witnesses, then it may be demonstrable she lied about the drive. If the drive was not to look for William then what was its purpose?

I would say the purpose of the drive was to throw William’s shoes away. And maybe to chuck his spider man clothes into one of the bins that was out for rubbish collection? Possibly?

I’ll bet his body was still at the house at 48 Benaroon Drive in one of the many places that the cops didn’t bother checking in the initial search, and then perhaps the FF disposed of his body very very early the next morning, in his car. We know the FF went out searching very early the next day. Was it 6am or earlier? Before anyone else was awake.

It would explain the ambulance / panic attack situation. He may have genuinely freaked out at
(1) what (or whom) lay in the house as they slept and
(2) what he was required to do the next morning

*** this is just a theory. I accept I may be completely wrong.

 

[31550]

You know what I think??

Like the police have a theory, I also have a theory. I’m going to outline my theory, and I could be totally wrong but it’s just a theory.

I think maybe the FF has turned police informant. Allow me to explain my thinking….

He’s the only one who would know what happened, right?

He’s done a deal with the cops. IMO. And he’s acting the part until the cops have enough to put the FM away.

And part of the deal is that he wasn’t involved and it was an “accident.”

That’s the best theory I’ve come across in a while.* takes bow*

Also: He got a closed court for the lying trial. All media locked out for most hearings. The FM didn’t get that.

He got off on his assault charge.

FM was convicted with assault.

The police said
“we know where, we know when, we know how” in relation to the FM and William’s body.

It’s got to be the FF. No one else could be such a strong witness. Their concrete info could not be based on a random truck driver. It’s got to be the FF that is the mystery witness, not the truck driver.

And before you say “well FF is not informant material,” we know (thank you Dan Box!) that Gary Jubelin used Tony Jones as a police informant in prison whilst questioning the falsely-accused Bill Spedding. We know that.

Interesting theory that FF is an informant.
But I don't buy it.
What is the motive for disposing of the body? Why not just go with the accident?

I believe the body was disposed of because the fosters were concerned that an autopsy would reveal something they didn't want known. This would involve FF as much as FM.

 

[Kurve]

You know what I think??

Like the police have a theory, I also have a theory. I’m going to outline my theory, and I could be totally wrong but it’s just a theory.

I think maybe the FF has turned police informant. Allow me to explain my thinking….

He’s the only one who would know what happened, right?

He’s done a deal with the cops. IMO. And he’s acting the part until the cops have enough to put the FM away.

And part of the deal is that he wasn’t involved and it was an “accident.”

That’s the best theory I’ve come across in a while.* takes bow*

Also: He got a closed court for the lying trial. All media locked out for most hearings. The FM didn’t get that.

He got off on his assault charge.

FM was convicted with assault.

The police said
“we know where, we know when, we know how” in relation to the FM and William’s body.

It’s got to be the FF. No one else could be such a strong witness. Their concrete info could not be based on a random truck driver. It’s got to be the FF that is the mystery witness, not the truck driver.

And before you say “well FF is not informant material,” we know (thank you Dan Box!) that Gary Jubelin used Tony Jones as a police informant in prison whilst questioning the falsely-accused Bill Spedding. We know that.

Yes, this theory was proposed around the time the fosters were questioned at the NSWCC.

 

[js47]

Then why is the police theory based around her and where she drove? Why do they want her on the stand at the next tranche, rather than the "helper"?

You don’t know why they want her on the stand . Let’s wait and see.

 

[js47]

Interesting theory that FF is an informant.
But I don't buy it.
What is the motive for disposing of the body? Why not just go with the accident?
I think immunity. He would be scared to go to gaol. People who hurt children don’t get a good time in gaol. That is an easy one.
I think William won’t be found to much water around. But every one wants an answer and some one to pin it on. The drive is just an impossibility.

I believe the body was disposed of because the fosters were concerned that an autopsy would reveal something they didn't want known. This would involve FF as much as FM.

 

[js47]

Sorry 31550 the way I did that watching a shark show I will be more careful in the future

 

[js47]

I think they were on the patio and FM needed help and the FGM went to her aid and something happened. The FM had a bandaged hand. William would bite as it was hard for him to converse his frustrations. This is fact.
I think he was kept at the house and FF saw him at night and had a massive panic attack.
The help was the FGM. The police did not do a thorough search. It would be a lot easier to place William somewhere close. Gran was an old nurse wasn’t she. Well she would cope with William’s demise. I don’t think she was that loving towards him.
The police did ask the FM are you covering for some one.

 

[South of the Yarra]

The Judge makes the decision to place children in care under a court order from the first instance. They listen to both sides if the biological family are present in court (which we know bio parents in this case were.)
Perhaps if the needs of the children and importance of family unit were more taken into consideration and mandatory referrals for families for support were made there would be less children in care, especially less being court ordered into long term care and adoption.
It goes back to the start.
FACS and other authorities are also responsible for the decisions in removing children, how the bio families are supported, the choices of foster carers and monitoring the care to ensure the safety of the children.
I have to wonder what’s been learnt from the stolen generation and the forced removal of children from their Mothers to be placed for adoption in recent decades.

Unfortunately, very little has been learnt from the Stolen Generation, very little at all.

 

[Awakening]

Especially cats with shingles!

You poor thing, I haven’t had it but family members have and were in awful pain.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes, this theory was proposed around the time the fosters were questioned at the NSWCC.

Oh really!

The biggest hint for me is the FF lying case. He got off that Scott free and with a closed court to boot.

And they picked a little teeny tiny court room in Downing that wouldn’t fit many people in it.

Totally different treatment to the FM lying trial.

 

[Underarrest_]

You know what I think??

Like the police have a theory, I also have a theory. I’m going to outline my theory, and I could be totally wrong but it’s just a theory.

I think maybe the FF has turned police informant. Allow me to explain my thinking….

He’s the only one who would know what happened, right?

He’s done a deal with the cops. IMO. And he’s acting the part until the cops have enough to put the FM away.

And part of the deal is that he wasn’t involved and it was an “accident.”

That’s the best theory I’ve come across in a while.* takes bow*

Also: He got a closed court for the lying trial. All media locked out for most hearings. The FM didn’t get that.

He got off on his assault charge.

FM was convicted with assault.

The police said
“we know where, we know when, we know how” in relation to the FM and William’s body.

It’s got to be the FF. No one else could be such a strong witness. Their concrete info could not be based on a random truck driver. It’s got to be the FF that is the mystery witness, not the truck driver.

And before you say “well FF is not informant material,” we know (thank you Dan Box!) that Gary Jubelin used Tony Jones as a police informant in prison whilst questioning the falsely-accused Bill Spedding. We know that.

Sounds feasible, or possibly one of FM’s siblings.

 

[Wallace52]

Interesting theory that FF is an informant.
But I don't buy it.
What is the motive for disposing of the body? Why not just go with the accident?

I believe the body was disposed of because the fosters were concerned that an autopsy would reveal something they didn't want known. This would involve FF as much as FM.

The motive for moving and disposing of the child’s body (maybe) might have been for the FM and FF to protect themselves at all costs from the results of the autopsy that would have been done if William was deceased and FM called emergency services right away.

The FM may not have been charged with neglect but what would the autopsy show? I’m guessing it wouldn’t show up great.

That’s the strongest motive I can think of.

I’m trying to figure out when she told the FF but I think it was around the time that the ambulance was called for the FF.

He must have felt like his whole world collapsed when she told him. IMO.

 

[Wallace52]

Unfortunately, very little has been learnt from the Stolen Generation, very little at all.

Ain’t that the truth. First Nations kids are still being taken from their communities by DOCS/Child Safety et al, and placed with non-Indigenous carers far away from home, whereby their biological families are not even told their addresses of where their children are located.

This is a fact. No one writes about it. It’s ugly. It’s still happening.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Ain’t that the truth. First Nations kids are still being taken from their communities by DOCS/Child Safety et al, and placed with non-Indigenous carers far away from home, whereby their biological families are not even told their addresses of where their children are located.

This is a fact. No one writes about it. It’s ugly. It’s still happening.

Some absolutely horrific cases. A second Stolen Generation is happening all over again.