Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

I said they might find his DNA
Was it the FM who said they were playing hide and seek there?
Another excuse to cover something maybe.

 

[js47]

I read on one of the posts here the FD is doing really well. So she didn’t need breaking then?

 

[Poppy Penny]

I read on one of the posts here the FD is doing really well. So she didn’t need breaking then?

Wishing FD every happiness for her future.

 

[shorsky]

Maybe it was Crabb's then?

Yes, here's what Overington says:

Around 11 a.m., Mrs Crabb went back inside to prepare some chicken patties for lunch. She likes to make them early and then lets them sit for a bit, and she was about at the point of wiping her hands when she became aware of a couple coming up her driveway.

‘It was a man and woman, both in their forties,’ Mrs Crabb said. ‘I realise now they were William’s foster parents. They were distressed, extremely distressed. They asked me: “Have you seen a little boy in a Spider-Man suit?”

Now, if it was 'around 11' surely it has to be earlier, because FM called 000 at 10:56 and was in the street when police arrived, and FF was still in the backyard. Surely she didn't go and collect FF before going to the Crabbs before police arrived? Why would FF stop looking after the 000 call?
And after police arrived, no need for them to go together anywhere without police.

Perhaps Mrs Crabb is a bit out with her timing, hence the discrepancy between the times she & her husband reported hearing a vehicle that sounded like the postie.
However, imo ‘around 11’ could in fact be 11.15

Do we know for sure that FM was in the street when first responder Const Rowley arrived at 11.06 am ?
All I’ve seen of his evidence is that he searched the place (didn’t open man hole as too hard for a child) and investigated reports of someone asking for directions to Benaroon Dr. Has anyone seen his notes / statements?

 

[shorsky]

Maybe, but there was plenty of room in the driveway for the FF's vehicle. No reason why he wouldn't just park behind hers in the carport.

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Could you not very silently release the hand brake and roll a car out of that driveway ?

 

[shorsky]

In one report (there have been so many), FM and Sharpley walked past him on the way to the bus shelter and he was asked if he had seen William. I need to find the reference, sorry.
Edit - I checked and according to the lawnmower man he was unaware of anything happening until he saw the police vehicles in the street.
Funny that nobody stopped him to ask if he'd seen William before the 000 call?

I don’t think Sharpley went to the bus stop with FM.

I’m sure she said she suggested FM go look there, while she then knocked on P Savage door.

 

[shorsky]

Well it’s a bit hard to hear anything much with a mower in your ear. And a mower could also obscure the sound of a Mazda 3 driving up the street and back for those within a 50-70m radius of a mower. IMO.

The Mazda 3 cars are quiet cars. IMO

I think he was said to be on a ride-on mower - understandably with that size area.
Ride-on mowers require a lot more concentration than a ‘push mower’ so I think it’s quite feasible that he wouldn’t have heard or seen a vehicle.
He lived opposite end of the road to FGM didn’t he ?

 

[shorsky]

Judy Wilson returned from her errands in town to find the street in turmoil.

“The only thing I was able to tell police was that I heard the children playing but didn’t see them,” Mrs Wilson told The Sunday Telegraph.

“I just heard kids laughing and you could tell they were little children.

Judy Wilson, next-door neighbour to William’s foster grandmother. Picture: Lindsay Moller



https://www.news.com.au/national/co...d/news-story/c3b76e8d4fc18401ebc17df61f45a62d

Seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in that report, including FGM seeing the 2 parked cars.

 

[shorsky]

Notice the cars are very visible from the patio. If FGM’s car was parked was parked near the patio she should have heard it go. Also there is a door out to it.
See the red car? In the shot from above you can see a red car.
So if William was playing on the patio and had to see if daddy was home and he parks near the car port why would he walk down the yard? Wouldn’t he just look at the carport area?

Thanks js47. Do you know when this photo was taken ?

 

[CodyRose]

If he knew, then he’s an accessory after the fact. …. and even if he eventually spilled the beans, some years later, I imagine it would’ve been under pressure / coercion. That doesn’t qualify for the reward imo.

However I’m not convinced he’s that good at acting. And I very much doubt FM would run the risk of telling anyone what happened.

So if he did say something to the Police, I think it would only have been from his suspicions of what may have happened.

I think FF did have a bit of meltdown that night - possibly induced by having taken an extra to help him relax, washed down with a bottle of red.
I suspect that it was FF that William formed a bond with, and I can imagine FF being absolutely devastated at his little mate being missing.
( no doubt it peeved FM that it was FF who had the relationship and the child. Some parents get extremely jealous in those situations. May also have been happing as FD got older - leading to the statement about ‘all the f….king trouble’ she caused.)

It’s possible FF got a bit Loud that night and FGM may have become frightened, so called the ambulance. … or he may have become very ‘unbalanced’.

All of this could also then induce a panic attack.

Is he working these days ?

Agree a secret is something you tell nobody.

 

[js47]

Thanks js47. Do you know when this photo was taken ?

After William went missing I think it was taken by some one from the young hope agency. I won’t be offended if I am wrong.
The car beside FGMs was a Land Rover Discovery I had the same model so I recognise its shape.
Also the red car is on the street so if any one drove up and turned around you would probably see it.

 

[Awakening]

In one report (there have been so many), FM and Sharpley walked past him on the way to the bus shelter and he was asked if he had seen William. I need to find the reference, sorry.
Edit - I checked and according to the lawnmower man he was unaware of anything happening until he saw the police vehicles in the street.
Funny that nobody stopped him to ask if he'd seen William before the 000 call?

Maybe the sound of the lawnmower reduced the ability of the residents hearing a car go up and down the street.

 

[Earls Smother]

Maybe the sound of the lawnmower reduced the ability of the residents hearing a car go up any down the street.

It certainly would've helped to disguise other sounds.

Given no-one heard or saw FM make her drive, it is plain silly to work on a theory that no other person could have entered Benaroon without being noticed.

The Crabbes heard a car and it is unfortunate there is such a discrepancy in their times. Mr. Crabbe's 09:40 is likely inaccurate, unless there were 2 separate vehicles heard. Mrs. Crabbe's 10:10 is bang in the window that both Beacroft and Laidlaw have identified as being when William most likely disappeared. Remember, they know absolutely everything that is relevant, unlike us here.

10:10 is not going to be the FM's drive. Her drive had to be around 10:25-10:30, getting back around 10:33-10:35 to just beat FF home. I've seen both 10:33 and 10:35 given as his return time. Too many other things are known to have happened (with neighbour verification) for her to have been gone much longer. The re-enactment found the timeline to be tight, but plausible - not allowing for a longer drive time however.

Mrs. Crabbe heard the car do a U-turn and drive off, but there was mention of a stop for as long as it takes to deliver mail. Again, this is not going to have been the FM. She drove into the drive, went inside and got her phone (saw FF text) and came back out just as FF returned.

Whilst this potential car remains unidentified and unexplained, there remains the possibility that William was taken by whoever it was in that car.

The police case has no hope without hard evidence on the FM. There is clearly doubt created by this vehicle, even if we ignore the FM's sighting of the other 2 cars. An independent witness has created that doubt - not the FM or FGM's fractured memories.

 

[Wallace52]

Given no-one heard or saw FM make her drive, it is plain silly to work on a theory that no other person could have entered Benaroon without being noticed.

There is no proof the FM went for a drive.

Not seen or heard by anyone. Forgive me I just don’t believe a word she says. If she says she went for a drive, and there’s no independent evidence - how do I believe it?

 

[Awakening]

That was a real bullshit piece of theatre right there, wasn’t it. Baby Tara?

Where’s Tara now? Returned to William’s mum who gave birth to him, as a comfort item to remember her son? Or where?

Gumtree is my best guess

 

[Kurve]

We need to engage sensibly please and remember the FM hasn't to this point been charged with anything to do with William's disappearance.

There's no suggestion by the police the FM murdered William, the potential charges are interfere with a corpse, pervert the course of justice or manslaughter in the context of failing to provide aid.

 

[Awakening]

It certainly would've helped to disguise other sounds.

Given no-one heard or saw FM make her drive, it is plain silly to work on a theory that no other person could have entered Benaroon without being noticed.

The Crabbes heard a car and it is unfortunate there is such a discrepancy in their times. Mr. Crabbe's 09:40 is likely inaccurate, unless there were 2 separate vehicles heard. Mrs. Crabbe's 10:10 is bang in the window that both Beacroft and Laidlaw have identified as being when William most likely disappeared. Remember, they know absolutely everything that is relevant, unlike us here.

10:10 is not going to be the FM's drive. Her drive had to be around 10:25-10:30, getting back around 10:33-10:35 to just beat FF home. I've seen both 10:33 and 10:35 given as his return time. Too many other things are known to have happened (with neighbour verification) for her to have been gone much longer. The re-enactment found the timeline to be tight, but plausible - not allowing for a longer drive time however.

Mrs. Crabbe heard the car do a U-turn and drive off, but there was mention of a stop for as long as it takes to deliver mail. Again, this is not going to have been the FM. She drove into the drive, went inside and got her phone (saw FF text) and came back out just as FF returned.

Whilst this potential car remains unidentified and unexplained, there remains the possibility that William was taken by whoever it was in that car.

The police case has no hope without hard evidence on the FM. There is clearly doubt created by this vehicle, even if we ignore the FM's sighting of the other 2 cars. An independent witness has created that doubt - not the FM or FGM's fractured memories.

I agree. I don’t buy that every single car that drives up Benaroon is always noticed by residents.

Maybe most of the time a car is noticed, but not every single time, that’s a ridiculous claim.

 

[Awakening]

There is no proof the FM went for a drive.

Not seen or heard by anyone.

Except FM claims she did, and the whole police theory is based on her going for this drive and disposing of William.

And she apparently did so without being seen by anyone (as far as we the public know).

 

[Earls Smother]

There is no proof the FM went for a drive.

Not seen or heard by anyone.

So the police theory is William buried himself at Cobb & Co road?

 

[Underarrest_]

I agree. I don’t buy that every single car that drives up Benaroon is always noticed by residents.

Maybe most of the time a car is noticed, but not every single time, that’s a ridiculous claim.

Definitely possible. I live in a quiet no through rd and walked out to my front patio to find a parcel there. Didn’t have a clue
the delivery person had pulled up in the driveway and left the parcel on the patio.
Even my dog didn’t hear/see them and alert me.
(Admittedly she gets very comfortable when she’s asleep on the couch.)

 

[Wallace52]

So the police theory is William buried himself at Cobb & Co road?

Well if she went for a drive, why was she not seen?

 

[Kurve]

Except FM claims she did, and the whole police theory is based on her going for this drive and disposing of William.

And she apparently did so without being seen by anyone (as far as we the public know).

Must have been her driving the vehicle the Crabbes heard IMO and this might be where the police fit the drive in?

 

[Wallace52]

Must have been her driving the vehicle the Crabbes heard IMO and this might be where the police fit the drive in?

Must have been.

 

[Earls Smother]

Well if she went for a drive, why was she not seen?

No-one was looking in the right direction at the time?

The whole police theory is based on her driving. They must be pretty confident she did, otherwise the past 3 years have been more of a waste of time than it already appears.

 

[Earls Smother]

Must have been her driving the vehicle the Crabbes heard IMO and this might be where the police fit the drive in?

I think could is a better word than must.

These definitive statements reek of not accepting the doubt that exists. What Mrs. Crabbe heard the car do, does not fit with it being the FM driving. She should also be familiar with the sound of the FGM's car. The timeline does not appear to allow the FM to have been gone from 10:10 to 10:35. Too many other things are verified to have happened.