Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

Even the adoption call that same day.
William goes missing that day.
So many coincidences.

Are you sure the adoption call was the same day?

 

[Wallace52]

I think people have been wondering, well is Jubes capable of having feelings for someone who may have hurt another person? I was listening to I Catch Killers today and he was talking about how he had a relationship with someone he met at a murder trial.

Unclear if it was a suspect, convicted person or just a random person at court….

Gary Jubelin:

“And I remember one of the first conversations I had with you about it when it was approved by Senior Police, said we want to delve into your private life. And I think I responded to you, well, you know, I'm divorced and I saw you and some of the other writers seeing it, going, well, that's good. And then I had a relationship with a lady that I met at a murder trial, fantastic, serial killer.

And I had a relationship with someone I work with and they go, perfect, we don't need to embellish.

Great television.

It made me go home and reflect on my private life. But look, I was proud of what we did on that. And when I say we, it was very much a team effort on an investigation of that scale.

And the impact that had on me, the Underbelly Badness series, was that it sort of put a target on my back within my own organization, but also out on the street. But yeah, you certainly changed the way I went about things.”

From I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin: Secret lovers killed in dead of night: Greg Haddrick Pt.1, 24 Nov 2024

This material may be protected by copyright.

 

[Wallace52]

I can’t get pass thinking that FM basically noticed William missing at the same time FF sent the message he would be home.

And she went “delete”.

 

[Lady O]

And she went “delete”.

So was he abducted?

 

[Underarrest_]

Are you sure the adoption call was the same day?

No I’m only going by what I’ve read on here. Do we know the adoption was even going ahead? I’ve also read on here that bio parents didn’t know anything about adoption which would have been discussed with them if adoption was on the table.

 

[Cataholic]

I feel like one could say injuries involving William, as opposed to injuries to William, as there’s been no suggestion anyone has ever injured William. He’s just had accidents, as far as I know.

MOO

It appears the last 'accident' was fatal.

It seems quite viable to suspect that someone caused it.

That in turn is reason to review his previous 'accidents' and be suspicious of their historical record.

 

[js47]

It appears the last 'accident' was fatal.

It seems quite viable to suspect that someone caused it.

That in turn is reason to review his previous 'accidents' and be suspicious of their historical record.

The big question is what kind of accident if there was one

 

[31550]

The big question is what kind of accident if there was one

Why would an 'accident' need to be concealed?

 

[js47]

Why would an 'accident' need to be concealed?

Type of accident

 

[31550]

Type of accident

Example of one that would vs one that wouldn't?

 

[js47]

If a child pulls a pot or cup of hot liquid you would have burns
If a child jumps that injury is different from a fall.
A car headcinjury is different from a fall
Etc.
you could also tell if a child survived the accident but died later.
If a child dies the blood pools due to gravity etc so much can be learnt.

 

[31550]

If a child pulls a pot or cup of hot liquid you would have burns
If a child jumps that injury is different from a fall.
A car headcinjury is different from a fall
Etc.
you could also tell if a child survived the accident but died later.
If a child dies the blood pools due to gravity etc so much can be learnt.

Why would you conceal any of the above?
And if you wouldn't, what type of accident WOULD you conceal?

 

[Cataholic]

Why would an 'accident' need to be concealed?

Maybe the investigation of an honest accident would reveal other issues, something untoward.....like an absence of sufficient care, being absent, or something more sinister like abuse??

Not making any allegations - just saying I can't see any other motivation for concealing an honest accident.

*

 

[Kurve]

REMINDER

The police haven't gone anywhere near to the suggestion of anything other than the FM disposing of William's body after an accident, so in the interests of fairness and the smooth running of this thread, we shouldn't either.

Frame your posts carefully and with that in mind.

Try to be patient.

Thanks.

 

[Eaglette01]

Former William Tyrrell cop’s version of crucial Gary Jubelin call​

A different account of a crucial incident that led to a former cop on the William Tyrrell case being found guilty in court was heard during separate proceedings.

Heath Parkes-Hupton and Dan Box 02 Dec 2024:

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...l/news-story/fdf3ed0f148af0bb465a5a16dbf469d5


It’s understood Mr Jubelin’s lawyers were informed Mr Lambert was unable to give evidence during his trial, however, a 2022 judgment before the Industrial Relations Tribunal (IRC) suggests Mr Lambert “had made it known that he was available to be called if required”.

In those proceedings, he refuted hearing Mr Jubelin telling Mr Gallyot to record the call with Mr Savage, saying he would not have stood for conduct that was “contrary to my ethics and all I believed in as a police officer”.

“If at any stage I had heard Jubelin ask or direct any officer to unlawfully record a private conversation with Savage or any other person, I would have immediately intervened and challenged what he was proposing to do,” Mr Lambert said.

His statement to the IRC also said: “I did not hear Jubelin say to Gallyot, ‘Just do it’, as is alleged by Gallyot, in reference to directing him to record this conversation. I did not see Jubelin give Gallyot a ‘stern look’ whilst I was in the room with them.”

 

[31550]

If a child pulls a pot or cup of hot liquid you would have burns

That's not going to be fatal any time soon

If a child jumps that injury is different from a fall.

Why would you conceal either?

A car headcinjury is different from a fall

Again, why conceal either?

Etc.
you could also tell if a child survived the accident but died later.
If a child dies the blood pools due to gravity etc so much can be learnt.

If there was a non-fatal injury why wasn't assistance called for, and where did he go?

 

[Wallace52]

Why are they (News.com) bringing in the police officer’s drink driving charge, and the 40 year suppression order of the officers name?

What has this got to to with the disappearance of William Tyrrell?

Witness: William Tyrrell - Episode 9

“I'm not challenging the magistrate's decision. But there are a few interesting things I noticed sitting in court watching Gary Jubalin on trial. Firstly, the police don't always let these things play out so publicly.

Since then, there have been other police officers charged with various offences, and the force doesn't always issue a press release, let alone brief the media off the record.

Tonight, Nine News can reveal details involving a high-ranking member of the New South Wales Police Force facing criminal charges.

This was last year, and the high-ranking member of the police force allegedly downed about 20 drinks at a work party, then got in his car to drive home.

I'm joined by our Chief Court Reporter, Tiffany Genders. Tiff, what can you tell us?

Pete, a senior member of the state's police executive, has been charged with high-range drink driving six months after allegedly crashing and later abandoning his vehicle.

This cop's name will not become public. Instead, it will remain suppressed for 40 years, after the court agreed to what was an extraordinary request from the police force, protecting his identity and connection to others in the top ranks.

Ordinarily, when officers[…]”

From Witness: William Tyrrell: Something Wicked | 9, 2 Dec 2024

This material may be protected by copyright.

 

[Kurve]

Why are they (News.com) bringing in the police officer’s drink driving charge, and the 40 year suppression order of the officers name?

What has this got to to with the disappearance of William Tyrrell?

Witness: William Tyrrell - Episode 9

“I'm not challenging the magistrate's decision. But there are a few interesting things I noticed sitting in court watching Gary Jubalin on trial. Firstly, the police don't always let these things play out so publicly.

Since then, there have been other police officers charged with various offences, and the force doesn't always issue a press release, let alone brief the media off the record.

Tonight, Nine News can reveal details involving a high-ranking member of the New South Wales Police Force facing criminal charges.

This was last year, and the high-ranking member of the police force allegedly downed about 20 drinks at a work party, then got in his car to drive home.

I'm joined by our Chief Court Reporter, Tiffany Genders. Tiff, what can you tell us?

Pete, a senior member of the state's police executive, has been charged with high-range drink driving six months after allegedly crashing and later abandoning his vehicle.

This cop's name will not become public. Instead, it will remain suppressed for 40 years, after the court agreed to what was an extraordinary request from the police force, protecting his identity and connection to others in the top ranks.

Ordinarily, when officers[…]”

From Witness: William Tyrrell: Something Wicked | 9, 2 Dec 2024

This material may be protected by copyright.

Does anybody now doubt what Box and Jubelin are up to with this podcast?

Jubelin couldn't solve the case, now it might appear he with Box on board are prepared to undermine any progress the new investigation has made.

This podcast could have waited but they wanted it out in the public while the coroner's inquiry was in progress where the focus is on the foster mother.

Shame.

 

[Earls Smother]

Does anybody now doubt what Box and Jubelin are up to with this podcast?

Jubelin couldn't solve the case, now it might appear he with Box on board are prepared to undermine any progress the new investigation has made.

This podcast could have waited but they wanted it out in the public while the coroner's inquiry was in progress where the focus is on the foster mother.

Shame.

Aren't they just comparing the way the 2 cases have been treated differently?

Jubelin's case played out very publicly and he "resigned".

High ranking cop gets done for drink driving and it is hidden away for 40 years.

If I'm Jubelin, I'd want to publicly highlight the perceived unfairness in that. It's hardly shameful.

 

[Kurve]

Aren't they just comparing the way the 2 cases have been treated differently?

Jubelin's case played out very publicly and he "resigned".

High ranking cop gets done for drink driving and it is hidden away for 40 years.

If I'm Jubelin, I'd want to publicly highlight the perceived unfairness in that. It's hardly shameful.

If I'm Jubelin, I'd shut up through this latest tranche and leave off.

There's plenty of time.

 

[Kurve]

Aren't they just comparing the way the 2 cases have been treated differently?

Jubelin's case played out very publicly and he "resigned".

High ranking cop gets done for drink driving and it is hidden away for 40 years.

If I'm Jubelin, I'd want to publicly highlight the perceived unfairness in that. It's hardly shameful.

Are you able to answer Wallace's question, what has that got to do with William's disappearance?

By the way, I've said all along that Jubelin was targeted and it seemed stiff he was charged over that recording. Something else went on. IMO.

 

[Cataholic]

Are you able to answer Wallace's question, what has that got to do with William's disappearance?

By the way, I've said all along that Jubelin was targeted and it seemed stiff he was charged over that recording. Something else went on. IMO.

Maybe there's a common denominator between the targeting, there being something else going on, and the high ranking officer?

 

[31550]

Does anybody now doubt what Box and Jubelin are up to with this podcast?

Jubelin couldn't solve the case, now it might appear he with Box on board are prepared to undermine any progress the new investigation has made.

This podcast could have waited but they wanted it out in the public while the coroner's inquiry was in progress where the focus is on the foster mother.

Shame.

Follow the money I guess.

Maybe Jubelin thinks he has a case for malicious prosecution / wrongful dismissal himself?

Still hurting from 2019 he possibly wants to settle a few scores?

If he waits for the coronial inquest to play out it might highlight more of his ineptitude and weaken his position.

 

[CodyRose]

Where do you get 9:30 from?
According to Overington's book they arrived at around 9pm.
But they could have arrived any time - nobody witnessed them arriving.
We know they stopped to supposedly "put pull-ups on the kids".
They left after 6:40pm based on CCTV evidence.
It's a 2-hour drive at best. Plus say a 10-minute stop for pull-ups.
That's only a 10-minute 'discrepancy' which might be due to traffic or slow driving, or maybe they actually arrived at 8:50?

Nobody witnessed nothing much at all IMO

 

[Kurve]

Maybe there's a common denominator between the targeting, there being something else going on, and the high ranking officer?

Maybe that's what they want us to think too.

I personally can't see the 'good' in this podcast right now, it's purpose seems a bit shady.