Oppo Camp Delisted Players To Discuss

[Runandhyde]

Hardwick said early in the year they had changed their view on the rookie list, and would be recruiting more mature players as back ups this year. Will be insurance if anything. Would be highly suprised if we used a senior spot on him.

 

[Mr Magic]

A couple of spots will be devoted to mature types who will be there as insurance - ala Miller. If Nahas or King or Titch go down for the season, you can't expect a young rookie to come in and take their spot. Rodan could.

I can because some of those I don't rate as high as some.

In any case , the thing to consider is our list is gradually getting a little bit older and the need for Miller types(still can't see the point of it but genuis in comparison to the Melbourne Dawes move) to fill a leadership/support role is not as prevalent.

I prefer the Collingwood model in general of getting the youngsters and through them in the deep end. Otherwise you are saying Knights, Ohanlon etc.. are not worth being on the list. We are not going to win the premiership next year anyway so that argument bears no fruit from my perspective. For example give Simon a go if things get really desperate. Back up in Rodan is like fighting against shadows to my mind. You have to also remember Lids and Martin can play more permanent forward roles as well

 

[_Wang_]

Yeah would be surprised if we grab him as it goes against the age profile of who we have been going for...
I actually like David Rodan but for us now, its a no from me.

 

[Varicho]

I can because some of those I don't rate as high as some.

In any case , the thing to consider is our list is gradually getting a little bit older and the need for Miller types(still can't see the point of it but genuis in regards to the Melbourne Dawes move) to fill a leadership role is not as prevalent.

I prefer the Collingwood model in general of getting the youngsters and through them in the deep end. Otherwise you are saying Knights, Ohanlon etc.. are not worth being on the list. We are not going to win the premiership next year anyway so that argument bears no fruit from my perspective

I think that 3 or 4 game patch last year when we got hit by multiple injuries and of course Dusty's infraction - proved that we lacked serious depth and that guys like O'Hanlon just aren't ready.... I know we are not going to win the premiership... but by God we MUST play finals - we have to! Hence why they are looking at a Rodan type. Cause if that 3 to 4 game patch of injuries happens again, we can at least have seasoned bodies with experience to come in and fill the void.

 

[blaisee]

mar would be Ok I guess.

Can maybe play of half back a bit like Neon Leon.

 

[Mr Magic]

I think that 3 or 4 game patch last year when we got hit by multiple injuries and of course Dusty's infraction - proved that we lacked serious depth and that guys like O'Hanlon just aren't ready.... I know we are not going to win the premiership... but by God we MUST play finals - we have to! Hence why they are looking at a Rodan type. Cause if that 3 to 4 game patch of injuries happens again, we can at least have seasoned bodies with experience to come in and fill the void.

Not buying it, if things got desperate you could leave Martin in the forward line, rotate Lids and Cotch there, push Morris up the ground, bring Batchelor in push Houli up the ground etc... Bottom line is our replacement backs are better than Rodan IMO so you would just do a re-shuffle, bring Dea in etc....

Besides I wouldn't lose any sleep if we missed the finals, I am only concerned with winning our next premiership. However, bringing Rodan in the 22 in the circumstances you refer to would make us weaker not stronger IMO.

As for infractions you are talking about anomolies. With reward comes risk embrace it or forever be the goldplated loser

 

[fumbler]

The players we have atm would beat him for speed and agility, Why God Dyer Why?

 

[Varicho]

Not buying it, if things got desperate you could leave Martin in the forward line, rotate Lids and Cotch there, push Morris up the ground, bring Batchelor in push Houli up the ground etc... Bottom line is our replacement backs are better than Rodan IMO so you would just do a re-shuffle, bring Dea in etc....

Besides I wouldn't lose any sleep if we missed the finals, I am only concerned with winning our next premiership. However, bringing Rodan in the 22 in the circumstances you refer to would make us weaker not stronger IMO.

As for infractions you are talking about anomolies. With reward comes risk embrace it or forever be the goldplated loser

To be honest, I don't really care if we get Rodan or not - I'm just mounting the argument for why we would put him on the rookie list. I'd be horrified if he got a spot on the main list, but I can live with him being on the rookie list. As least he has a bit of X factor about him... Experienced players can ad alot - look at Dew at the Hawks when they won the flag.

BUT on your other point - if we don't make the finals next year, I definitely will be losing sleep. I'll be friggin fuming... If we're gonna win a premiership in our friggin lifetime it's gotta start with finals next year... Seriously if we get a draw and a good run with injuries - there is simply no excuse - We must play finals next season.

 

[Mr Magic]

To be honest, I don't really care if we get Rodan or not - I'm just mounting the argument for why we would put him on the rookie list. I'd be horrified if he got a spot on the main list, but I can live with him being on the rookie list. As least he has a bit of X factor about him... Experienced players can ad alot - look at Dew at the Hawks when they won the flag.

BUT on your other point - if we don't make the finals next year, I definitely will be losing sleep. I'll be friggin fuming... If we're gonna win a premiership in our friggin lifetime it's gotta start with finals next year... Seriously if we get a draw and a good run with injuries - there is simply no excuse - We must play finals next season.

Can't see the X factor, and Dew was a far classier player altogether, chalk and cheese and one had a kick that was a legitimate weapon and incredibly strong in the core

 

[krisholio14]

I reckon he's well suited to your team. You're building a skillful, attacking team playing an exciting brand of footy. You won't have to spend much to get him and he could add a bit of icing on the cake so to speak.

Not only that but hes a ripping bloke and a great team man.

 

[fumbler]

To be honest, I don't really care if we get Rodan or not - I'm just mounting the argument for why we would put him on the rookie list. I'd be horrified if he got a spot on the main list, but I can live with him being on the rookie list. As least he has a bit of X factor about him... Experienced players can ad alot - look at Dew at the Hawks when they won the flag.

BUT on your other point - if we don't make the finals next year, I definitely will be losing sleep. I'll be friggin fuming... If we're gonna win a premiership in our friggin lifetime it's gotta start with finals next year... Seriously if we get a draw and a good run with injuries - there is simply no excuse - We must play finals next season.

It all comes down to winning the games we should, we could of ended in 6th or 7th on the ladder in 2012.
Small loses this season v freo 12, GC 2, Norf 4, Carrlten 4, PooRt draw

 

[Varicho]

Can't see the X factor, and Dew was a far classier player altogether, chalk and cheese and one had a kick that was a legitimate weapon and incredibly strong in the core

That's harsh. His ability to win clearances and burst out of the middle... He can play - didn't get a chance to show it this year, as Port didn't allow him to. I'm not suggesting that he has the same pace he had 2 or 3 years ago. But I think he could still make an impact - would probably make a great super-sub.

Anyhow, my point is - he would be on the rookie list as insurance. And then, you never know what a hungry 29 year old who knows it their last shot could produce?

I still think it is more likely that he won't be at Richmond...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Can't see the X factor, and Dew was a far classier player altogether, chalk and
cheese and one had a kick that was a legitimate weapon and incredibly strong in the core

I can...

X marks the spot where the idea to recruit Rodan is dead and well buried...

 

[Varicho]

I can...

X marks the spot where the idea to recruit Rodan is dead and well buried...

Well obviously it's not mate - so we may have to live with it...

 

[Mr Magic]

That's harsh. His ability to win clearances and burst out of the middle... He can play - didn't get a chance to show it this year, as Port didn't allow him to. I'm not suggesting that he has the same pace he had 2 or 3 years ago. But I think he could still make an impact - would probably make a great super-sub.

Anyhow, my point is - he would be on the rookie list as insurance. And then, you never know what a hungry 29 year old who knows it their last shot could produce?

I still think it is more likely that he won't be at Richmond...

Dew was a different positional player(not to mention Hawthorn's list was far more progressed than ours atm) and Rodan's clearance work is negated by his height and other factors to be seriously effective in that role. For a guy his size and age simply not enough class to raise my interest, nor does he have enough strings to his bow, but the bottom line is I cannot see him help RFC win a premiership in any capacity . You don't want a player to be included for novelty value and would be counterproductive for the rest of the group as well going in a different longer term direction

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Well obviously it's not mate - so we may have to live with it...

Hope the notion is buried so deep...

Need a very long handled shovel to dig it up then...

 

[Varicho]

Dew was a different positional player(not to mention Hawthorn's list was far more progressed than ours atm) and Rodan's clearance work is negated by his height and other factors to be seriously effective in that role. For a guy his size and age simply not enough class to raise my interest, nor does he have enough strings to his bow, but the bottom line is I cannot see him help RFC win a premiership in any capacity . You don't want a player to be included for novelty value and would be counterproductive for the rest of the group as well going in a different longer term direction

I'm not saying Dew and Rodan are the same player, I was just making the point that an experienced player who was thought to be wfinished (Dew was 40 Kilos overweight and not even playing footy - at least Rodan is fit and playing) can come in and make an impact...

And calling Rodan a novelty player is disrespectful. He won't be part of our Premiership side - but if he sits on the rookie list, and provides some handy insurance when someone goes down - which means we play finals next year - then the move would have been worth it.

All it will cost next year is a place on the rookie list. big deal.

 

[Mr Magic]

I'm not saying Dew and Rodan are the same player, I was just making the point that an experienced player who was thought to be wfinished (Dew was 40 Kilos overweight and not even playing footy - at least Rodan is fit and playing) can come in and make an impact...

And calling Rodan a novelty player is disrespectful. He won't be part of our Premiership side - but if he sits on the rookie list, and provides some handy insurance when someone goes down - which means we play finals next year - then the move would have been worth it.

All it will cost next year is a place on the rookie list. big deal.

He is a novelty player because he cannot fit the role as a clearance player because he can't cover all facets of clearance work due to height etc.. against the opposition. He can't play forward because he isn't really good enough and so really the X factor odd burst here and there as you put it is effectively a novelty.

The difference is Dew could hold down a role in a specific team and Dew had the upside with fitness, and above all Dew was a point of difference giving Hawthorn something extra. With Foley in there I cannot see Rodan adding anything more, plus Conca will have to stand up this year in the middle to

 

[tigs2010]

**** me dead , I have the upmost respect for Blair Hartley but IF true WTF .
The guy is at best depth and his injury history suggests when needed as depth , he is likely to be out with injury himself .
Would be shocked if we are into him yet haven't inquired about Jacobs , there is no way Rodan has more upside than Jacobs nor would he be a better depth option . Sorry

Think there might be a fair difference in what we'd be giving up to get either player. Hoping Rodan would only be a rookie spot if we do it. Disappointing if it's a main list spot but I doubt it will be.

 

[Varicho]

He is a novelty player because he cannot fit the role as a clearance player because he can't cover all facets of clearance work due to height etc.. against the opposition. He can't play forward because he isn't really good enough and so really the X factor odd burst here and there as you put it is effectively a novelty.

The difference is Dew could hold down a role in a specific team and Dew had the upside with fitness, and above all Dew was a point of difference giving Hawthorn something extra. With Foley in there I cannot see Rodan adding anything more, plus Conca will have to stand up this year in the middle to

Once again - I would only advocate him as insurance. BY no way do I think he''s a starting 22. This is going around in circles, so we'll have to agree to disagree and trust Blair and Co know what they're doing.

 

[RichoLedio]

Maybe the idea is to provide some sort of mentor for Gideon on the rookie list?

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Jacobs was not on our radar (and as per Cameron's interview, will not chase unless a real opportunity came from it). North now in box seat forJacobs, with monies freed up, & picks, & spots on list.
Rodan on thew other hand will only be a 1 season contract , with a 1 year extenstion , if he played x amount of games. Also of note, Rodan will not cost much either, & if contracted will be only a depth player , fighting for that half forward flaank that : Nahas, King, Knights, *possibly White, are all after....

That to me(reading between the lines here) suggests that the club internally think they can/will get a better play in the draft at pick 29 or 31 (which is what we probably would have to offer in trade). I'm happy to back FJ here as we got Batchelor for a similar pick a few years ago. Another good young player like that and I would be happy indeed.

On Rodan, I'll back the club with whatever they choose to do. Rodan would be a great role model for Gideon Simon next year and probably would be reasonable depth as a mature age rookie.

Personally, I'd like to give a promising state league player (someone like Myke Cook, Willie Wheeler) a go as they could be another Morris type in the waiting. I don't have anything against Rodan but I have some reservations about his 2 knee reco's...

 

[WATIGE]

.......Rodan would be a great role model for Gideon Simon next year and probably would be reasonable depth as a mature age rookie........

Before I go overboard about this comment, which has been uttered by more than a few, being almost racist (Fijian & Papuan - so what?) - can you give a bit more detail about how you think that Rodan specifically and no-one else, say Foley, could fill the mentor role?

 

[Put a Lids on it]

This thread hurts my head if we cant find some younger mature types for the rookie list then our recruiting is just bad, really. How many bloody small forwards do we need seriously. What we need is someone like a Stringer roaming around actually doing something instead of these little guys who add a flash of brilliance then add nothing for 2 qtrs, over it.

 

[Jisha]

Clearly looking at him as a depth player as the Tigers really have struggled with that area over the past. I wouldn't object as long as he was super cheap and only on a one year at a time deal. We have definitely had worse players clogging up spots on our list.