Traded Dan Houston - Joins Collingwood as part of 3-way trade with Port and GC

[Jeremias]

For anyone who missed the prior warning:

Take the Carlton v Collingwood shit fight elsewhere.

Infractions will be handed out.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Who cares if he has a contract in front of him. It’s meaningless when he’s requested to leave and is currently out of contract.

If the pies turn around and decide to table an 8 year deal to him and he still requests a trade, that doesn’t suddenly make him a top 10 pick just as an offer is on the table.

He wants to be payed. He will happily stay if our deal improves.

 

[beerbandit]

Contracts mean a lot to people in this thread and Houston is contracted

Port don't want to lose Houston and have publicly stated this, cough up or they can stay.

That's how it works hey?

And I’m sure we will cough up if he wants to come. He’s a fantastic player and he makes us better so you’ll be fairly compensated.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yet 2 clubs want Noble and Richards. Pies, then Suns plus port respectively

I know bashing pies and their players is easy on bigfooty, but I think noble and Richards are better than anyone you could pick in mid 30s. Even better than mid 20s picks imo. Both are proven to be good afl players. Richards has only play minimally due to injuries in his 2 years in the afl.

Pies would like to keep both, but getting Houston is a no brainer.

Richards has played 9 games for 6 goals. He's 25. He's uncontracted. You can think he's better than a pick in the 20s but he's got absolutely no runs on the board to suggest that's the case.

If he's missed games because of injuries, that's hardly a selling point either.

He's just not worth anything really. He's steak knives in this deal and i'd rather just not get him than pay the equivalent of a 2nd rounder for him.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Think it would be a great idea accept they have made some promises to players. If they did that they would be pissing off a lot of people.

Not really. It's just the pick 6 for Rioli that changes. But they can still work out something with Richmond with pick 2 if they want so nothing really changes. It just means they get something of value rather than a fringe/ bottom 6 player from Collingwood and a bunch of crappy later picks.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Richards has played 9 games for 6 goals. He's 25. He's uncontracted. You can think he's better than a pick in the 20s but he's got absolutely no runs on the board to suggest that's the case.

If he's missed games because of injuries, that's hardly a selling point either.

He's just not worth anything really. He's steak knives in this deal and i'd rather just not get him than pay the equivalent of a 2nd rounder for him.

He plays better than most picks in the 20s. But I think your 2nd (its pretty much a 3rd) which will be 40 on draft night would get it done. He is better than 85% of picks in the 40s as well imo.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Houston with 3 years on his contract is worth more than pick 6 by itself regardless of the Rioli trade.

The Rioli trade isn't pushing up Houston's value, Houston's value is what it is. The Rioli deal just highlights how ridiculous it would be for us to take a lowball offer.

 

[beerbandit]

To demonstrate that indeed contract value and trade value are two very different concepts.

No, it wasn’t a suggestion that they’ll push him to the draft.



No, it really doesn’t.

Contract value and trade value have always been separate concepts, and I’m sorry to say that doesn’t magically change now that your beloved Pies are involved.

Port can offer him a 3 year deal and also correctly say he’s not worth a pick inside 40.

I think you are misreading the room on this particular trade.

I’m sure if the Houston trade goes down it will be with Richards involved in the trade with various picks swapped about like always.
Both clubs are losing players they don’t want to, but both don’t want to be screwed.

I’m sure it will get done and both sets of supporters reasonably happy.

 

[El_Scorcho]

He plays better than most picks in the 20s. But I think your 2nd which will be 40 on draft night would get it done. He is better than 85% of picks in the 40s as well imo.

"A second would get it done" yes of course it would because it's overs.

Much better players with more exposed form have been traded for far less.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Not really. It's just the pick 6 for Rioli that changes. But they can still work out something with Richmond with pick 2 if they want so nothing really changes. It just means they get something of value rather than a fringe/ bottom 6 player from Collingwood and a bunch of crappy later picks.

You said they would get pick 2 and get in front of the bid (if I remember correctly) Richmond would want pick 2. So why would they bother with the deal in the first place if they have to give up pick 2 to Richmond or break it up again. It make no sense. If you take pick 2 you wouldnt get Rioli.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Both clubs are losing players they don’t want to, but both don’t want to be screwed.

Yes, but one of these players is a 2xAA, currently one of the best few in his position and one of the best kicks in the league.

The other one plays VFL.

It's not the same.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

"A second would get it done" yes of course it would because it's overs.

Much better players with more exposed form have been traded for far less.

Better players have been given up for almost nothing. It doesn't mean that we have to do the same.

 

[beerbandit]

"A second would get it done" yes of course it would because it's overs.

Much better players with more exposed form have been traded for far less.

Sounds like you don’t want Richards?

We will happily keep him.

 

[Port 2004]

You guys have only "made" the Finals in the last 5 years You played Finals in his first 5 years.

Cry my a river Crommy.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Sounds like you don’t want Richards?

We will happily keep him.

Okay.

 

[Basil brush]

Richards has played 9 games for 6 goals. He's 25. He's uncontracted. You can think he's better than a pick in the 20s but he's got absolutely no runs on the board to suggest that's the case.

If he's missed games because of injuries, that's hardly a selling point either.

He's just not worth anything really. He's steak knives in this deal and i'd rather just not get him than pay the equivalent of a 2nd rounder for him.

You say Richards has no runs on the board compared to a pick in the 20s?

You know how silly that is. A pick in the 20s cant have runs on the board as they have not played afl.

Richards has played limited afl, due to injuries, but he has runs on the board in his limited appearances.

Port fans will like him, as us pies fans do.

Whether richards gets done, along with Houston or in a separate deal, remains to be seen.

 

[Port2Power]

Sounds like you don’t want Richards?

We will happily keep him.

Yea keep him please thanks

 

[beerbandit]

Yes, but one of these players is a 2xAA, currently one of the best few in his position and one of the best kicks in the league.

The other one plays VFL.

It's not the same.

Hence the players will be swapped and the draft picks swapped heavily in your favour. It’s called compensation.

Yea keep him please thanks

You’d better ring the club and take that up with them then.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You say Richards has no runs on the board compared to a pick in the 20s?

You know how silly that is. A pick in the 20s cant have runs on the bard as they have not played afl.

Richards has played limited afl, due to injuries, but he has runs on the board in his limited appearances.

Port fans will like him, as us pies fans do.

Whether richards gets done, along with Houston or in a separate deal, remains to be seen.

A pick in the 20s is 18, they've got 6 years of development time on Richards.

I'm sorry, 6 goals in 9 games just isn't runs on the board for a 25 year old, especially if he's regularly injured.

I'm not saying I don't want him, i'll be happy enough if we end up with him, but he's just not worth anything in the context of the Houston deal. You can't add him to the Houston deal and pretend he's worth a 2nd rounder. 25yos with 6 goals in 9 games aren't worth 2nd rounders.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Hence the players will be swapped and the draft picks swapped heavily in your favour. It’s called compensation.

You’d better ring the club and take that up with them then.

Given we're negotiating with North for Pick 2, i'd suggest 13 and 23 aren't going to be enough compensation.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

A pick in the 20s is 18, they've got 6 years of development time on Richards.

I'm sorry, 6 goals in 9 games just isn't runs on the board for a 25 year old, especially if he's regularly injured.

I'm not saying I don't want him, i'll be happy enough if we end up with him, but he's just not worth anything in the context of the Houston deal. You can't add him to the Houston deal and pretend he's worth a 2nd rounder. 25yos with 6 goals in 9 games aren't worth 2nd rounders.

To be fair its 6 goals in 7 games. He played 2 minutes in one of those games and 1 quarter in another.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Given we're negotiating with North for Pick 2, i'd suggest 13 and 23 aren't going to be enough compensation.

Fair enough. If you can get North and Houston in on that I would be taking that deal for sure. I think Houston to North from a North Point of view would really push them up the ladder. If I was North I would do that deal. With the F1 coming back.

 

[Jeremias]

He wouldn't make it. Too many clubs would pick him up. I see us matching Port's deal if we don't get Houston. We will have the cash.

I’m not suggesting he will or won’t make it, or even that they’ll send him to the draft.

I’m simply saying it’s an option that is available. Which it is given he’s out of contract.

I think you are misreading the room on this particular trade.

Strange comment to follow up with commentary on the trade getting done. A trade will get done.

But let’s be real here and acknowledge that a 24 year old with a handful of games under his belt won’t alter the Houston deal.

Richards adds next to nothing to the Houston trade. He may get lumped in for the sake of simplicity, but his addition won’t discount Houston’s price.

 

[beerbandit]

Given we're negotiating with North for Pick 2, i'd suggest 13 and 23 aren't going to be enough compensation.

100% you guys should be dealing with North, because Houston is not worth Pick 2.

I don’t blame you for wanting that at all, it just seems he doesn’t want to play for them

 

[Merlin007]

Given we're negotiating with North for Pick 2, i'd suggest 13 and 23 aren't going to be enough compensation.

Are you? that's nice

 

[El_Scorcho]

100% you guys should be dealing with North, because Houston is not worth Pick 2.

I don’t blame you for wanting that at all, it just seems he doesn’t want to play for them

Yeah I think that'll be the issue, it'll depend on how much he wants to get back to Victoria vs what clubs he'd be willing to go to. I think there's a decent chance we keep him but we normally get deals done.