Toast CROWS get their man Don Pyke named Adelaide coach

[Deaneus!]

I guess now would be the time to announce that I'm the new assistant coach.

My first order of business is to interview for club massueses.

. I can see this having a happy ending.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Was mentioned this am that McKenna was in the mix for the assistants role. I hadn't heard his name before.

What would people think? Wasn't shocking at gold coast, but had issues... Which hopefully would have learnt from. Obviously pyke would know him well.

Wasn't mentioned because everyone thought he would go to Essendon with Worsfold ......apparently overlooked ......would love him at Adelaide

 

[Crow16]

Would be very good appointment, was discussed on 5aa the other said he was likely to go to Essendon and didn't want to leave Melbourne

One of the best defenders of the last 20 years, highly respected as an assistant struggled at Gold Coast but first coach there was always going to be a tough gig

Not expecting he will be at crows but would be a great appointment

 

[Scorpus]

Just out of curiosity, when was the last time a Crows assistant was directly hired as a senior coach?

And when was the last time one of our coaches was poached by another AFL club?

 

[Pugsley]

I wonder if we asked Roy Lairds permission to approach Don.

 

[Crow16]

Ben Hart went to magpies

Crows don't have a great record of assistants going on to higher appointments but also have not had sustained success clubs

 

[FR0GGY]

I wonder if we asked Roy Lairds permission to approach Don.

We did seek west coasts

 

[Pugsley]

We did seek west coasts

True but Roy likes to be consulted.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Did Fiveaa have actual mail or were they just spit balling some options?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did Fiveaa have actual mail or were they just spit balling some options?

No idea as I read about it & tend to avoid 5AA... so not sure if there is any substance to it.

Hopefully someone on here has some club contacts.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

No idea as I read about it & tend to avoid 5AA... so not sure if there is any substance to it.

Hopefully someone on here has some club contacts.

Kane, where did you read it?

 

[Crow16]

On Fiveaa they made it sound like they know but they just push rumours most of the time

It's a well known saying "if you say something with confidence people believe"

Fiveaa thrive on that if they get it right then they will pull out the line "as we told you on....."

If they are wrong it will never be mentioned

 

[Mismatched]

Was highly regarded as an Assistant however missed that mark as a Senior Coach however with that said the task is even more difficult being a first time senior coach and the first coach at a starter club

I would be happy with this appointment

Was the wrong man for the job, that much was clear from very early on but GC persisted, was really up against it and losing Hinkley early wouldn't have helped.

Would be a great asset as an assistant though, has some good experiences to draw upon to assist Pyke with his transition to the head role, as well as having good experience with regards to developing a list. Has 14 years of coaching total, including gigs as Claremont head coach, assistant at West Coast and Collingwood, plus 6 years at GC including TAC and VFL years.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kane, where did you read it?

Tiser

 

[Ian Dunross]

Heard McKenna is a terrible communicator. Abletf wanted him gone at GC.

Not sure his track record is much to write home about - senior player at west coast when drugs rife, coach at gold coast when drugs rife.

His only claim to fame is he was an assistant under malthouse. And look at how those have worked out - Frawley, Neeld, Watters, Brad Scott.

As a Crows supporter, I think the club would do well to avoid him.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Heard McKenna is a terrible communicator. Abletf wanted him gone at GC.

Not sure his track record is much to write home about - senior player at west coast when drugs rife, coach at gold coast when drugs rife.

His only claim to fame is he was an assistant under malthouse. And look at how those have worked out - Frawley, Neeld, Watters, Brad Scott.

As a Crows supporter, I think the club would do well to avoid him.

I don't think you can proportion any of the WCE drug issues on McKenna or any other senior player at the time, it was the coaching dept and the administration that turned a blind eye

Ross Lyon at the Saints had his fair dose of player discipline issues and it was also well known that there were senior players at your club under Lyon's watch with drug same issues, including leadership team members

 

[Ian Dunross]

Ross Lyon is a proven top line coach.

Different if the boys are playing up on the w/e whilst still winning, which is the charge against a couple of the Saints boys. Entirely different if you're a bunch of third year players who've achieved nothing.

Take the West Coast part out of the equation if you like, fair enough, still a very underwhelming CV & reputation imo.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Heard McKenna is a terrible communicator. Abletf wanted him gone at GC.

Not sure his track record is much to write home about - senior player at west coast when drugs rife, coach at gold coast when drugs rife.

His only claim to fame is he was an assistant under malthouse. And look at how those have worked out - Frawley, Neeld, Watters, Brad Scott.

As a Crows supporter, I think the club would do well to avoid him.

Imo, McKenna is another example of a solid assistant who hasn't got the right skill set to be successful in the senior role.

Malthouse & worsfold were apparently unaware if the weagles drug problems, so why is it McKenna's responsibility?

He actually made gold coast competitive despite fracturing of the group, which only appears worst since he left. Perhaps he did ok to keep things together.

I agree though I don't believe he is suited to the top job, but he us hardly a dud like neeld or watters.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Ross Lyon is a proven top line coach.

Different if the boys are playing up on the w/e whilst still winning, which is the charge against a couple of the Saints boys. Entirely different if you're a bunch of third year players who've achieved nothing.

Take the West Coast part out of the equation if you like, fair enough, still a very underwhelming CV & reputation imo.

So winning on the field excuses Lyon for the Saints off field issues at the the time?

My point is this

Drugs in society is a real issue and requires a whole of Govt and Community response and just because a kid ends up on drugs it doesn't mean that it is the fault of the parents

Likewise drugs in sport and in this case the AFL requires a whole of industry approach from the AFL governing body, AFLPA, Club Administrators and off course the players. Most clubs will have players that have registered a strike however this does not make every coach a bad coach, unfortunately for the GC their issues have become more transparent to the public.

 

[Ian Dunross]

A team that wins but parties not ideal, but at least they're doing their jobs.

A team that loses and parties, they have no alibi. It's like comparing St Kilda's culture to Melbourne's. Saints may not be perfect, but they were damn good at winning.

Riccutio & the boys liked a drink, maybe more, but they got the job done on the field.

McKenna has overseen a team that could not win a game without Ablett, whilst having a terrible work ethic & serious party habit by all reports. The 2014 first half of the season is a false read for McKenna. Ablett was playing out of this world football. What happened when he was injured? Team collapsed. That must come back to McKenna.

Maybe he would be a decent assistant.

But given his track record, I wouldn't be chasing him that hard.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

A team that wins but parties not ideal, but at least they're doing their jobs.

A team that loses and parties, they have no alibi. It's like comparing St Kilda's culture to Melbourne's. Saints may not be perfect, but they were damn good at winning.

Riccutio & the boys liked a drink, maybe more, but they got the job done on the field.

McKenna has overseen a team that could not win a game without Ablett, whilst having a terrible work ethic & serious party habit by all reports. The 2014 first half of the season is a false read for McKenna. Ablett was playing out of this world football. What happened when he was injured? Team collapsed. That must come back to McKenna.

Maybe he would be a decent assistant.

But given his track record, I wouldn't be chasing him that hard.

When a team wins there is an alibi?

That is just ridiculous, I'm not talking about drinking I'm talking about drug use, there is no alibi

You started this conversation by saying McKenna is not a good pick up because he should shoulder some of the blame for the WCE drug culture who I must say was winning at the time however when I turned the issue back to your club which has had its own issues you claim winning is a accepted alibi

Talk about holding double standards

 

[Ian Dunross]

When a team wins there is an alibi?

That is just ridiculous, I'm not talking about drinking I'm talking about drug use, there is no alibi

You started this conversation by saying McKenna is not a good pick up because he should shoulder some of the blame for the WCE drug culture who I must say was winning at the time however when I turned the issue back to your club which has had its own issues you claim winning is a accepted alibi

Talk about holding double standards

Mellow out dude.

I'm happy to take the West Coast part out of the equation, I already have done, if you read my above post.

If want to appoint him based on his track record at Gold Coast, go right ahead.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Mellow out dude.

I'm happy to take the West Coast part out of the equation, I already have done, if you read my above post.

If want to appoint him based on his track record at Gold Coast, go right ahead.

McKenna's record at gold coast stacks up reasonably, particularly if you compare his record to eade's!

 

[Sanders]

Mellow out dude.

I'm happy to take the West Coast part out of the equation, I already have done, if you read my above post.

If want to appoint him based on his track record at Gold Coast, go right ahead.

Phew. Thanks for your permission

 

[spenze]

McKenna has overseen a team that could not win a game without Ablett, whilst having a terrible work ethic & serious party habit by all reports. The 2014 first half of the season is a false read for McKenna. Ablett was playing out of this world football. What happened when he was injured? Team collapsed. That must come back to McKenna.

Agree with you here and would go a bit further in saying GC playing better in the last half of 2013 until 2014 may have had something to do with Blight going into the coaches box