Cricket things that annoy you

[the_interloper]

Michael Kasprowicz got a rougher deal than both of them imo.

Like Boland he was the back up bowler to McGrath, Lee and Gillespie and only got a gig when they got injured or bowled in India.

Sadly is probably best remembered for getting a glove to a ball from Harmison that lost the 2nd test by 2 runs in the 2005 Ashes

I am biased though as I did get to meet and share a few rum and cokes with Kaspa at a club in Perth back in 2001, ripping bloke.

He deserved better.

I reckon Andy Bichel was similar, 12th man a shitload of times. He really became a decent bat too after a few County stints, very solid.

 

[sabso]

Frank Tarrant, Charles kortright, Charlie Parker, Bob Groves, franklyn Stephenson, all supreme players who got little to no international recognition - Groves mainly through tragedy rather than anything else.

Also these

The best who never were

John Arlott chooses a strong 'England XI' from those who were never thus honoured

www.espncricinfo.com

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Bob Appleyard Profile - Cricket Player England | Stats, Records, Video

Read about Bob Groves cricket player from England profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[PhatBoy]

flipping campaigner of a word filter

Bob Appleyard Profile - Cricket Player England | Stats, Records, Video

Read about Bob Groves cricket player from England profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo

www.espncricinfo.com

What a remarkable profile - poor guy

 

[Gough]

What a remarkable profile - poor guy

You mentioned KG in the other thread, KG Cunningham can probably think himself a touch unlucky he didn't jag a baggy green along the journey.

 

[PhatBoy]

You mentioned KG in the other thread, KG Cunningham can probably think himself a touch unlucky he didn't jag a baggy green along the journey.

If nothing else he would have brought deep knowledge to the field having played under the greatest captain of them all…

 

[Gough]

If nothing else he would have brought deep knowledge to the field having played under the greatest captain of them all…

One of my most prized possessions is a program from the Les Favel testimonial match in 1987 signed by all who took part. Neil Harvey batted that day too and still had it.

 

[the_interloper]

One of my most prized possessions is a program from the Les Favel testimonial match in 1987 signed by all who took part. Neil Harvey batted that day too and still had it.

I'm assuming Ian Chappell played?

 

[Black Diamond]

Stuart Law is the unluckiest of all.

 

[Gough]

I'm assuming Ian Chappell played?

This is it, my copy is fully signed though.

The Lord's Taverners presenting the Les Favell Testimonial Souvenir Programme. Les Favell XI v Sir Donald Bradman XI. Sunday, 5th April 1987 at the Adelaide Oval cover title by Cricket on Michael Treloar Antiquarian

Foolscap folio, 4 pages a bifolium printed on card, comprising the title, the list of the two teams and sundry other participants referees, guest appearances, kicking competition across the centrefold, with the list of sponsors at the rear; in excellent condition. This copy carries over 30...

www.treloars.com

 

[big_e]

Norman Callaway scored 207 on debut for NSW at 18 years old, at close to a run a minute, then enlisted in the AIF before he played another game. Was killed in action a month after his 21st birthday.

If we're talking unluckiest cricketers...

 

[western royboy]

might be spot betting on the number of appearances on the telecast. I wouldn't be surprised.

The feed is used for Indian TV, I don’t think it’s too hard to join the dots.

 

[western royboy]

He bowled a lot in Queensland which is hot, humid and sweaty, that's probably why he got picked to play in India which is similar.

He was a workhorse that bowled the tough overs that other bowlers didn't want to bowl.

He and Bichel did a lot of donkey work and spent years carrying drinks. Absolute top notch bloke, total gentleman

 

[Nuggetz]

Zinger bails

 

[PhatBoy]

Stuart Law is the unluckiest of all.

He probably suffered a little bit when you view his figures retrospectively in that his best years came after he turned 30.

He still had outstanding figures beforehand - he made nearly 10,000 first class runs before he was 30, at 46.9

After he turned 30 he made 17,000 at 52. But after he turned 30 he was never really going to get a look in as that was when Australia was at its peak.

His overall Shield career average was 46 as well so he padded it a little with his England numbers but he’s certainly not the only bloke to do that. He would have handled test cricket pretty comfortably I don’t doubt that

 

[sabso]

He probably suffered a little bit when you view his figures retrospectively in that his best years came after he turned 30.

He still had outstanding figures beforehand - he made nearly 10,000 first class runs before he was 30, at 46.9

After he turned 30 he made 17,000 at 52. But after he turned 30 he was never really going to get a look in as that was when Australia was at its peak.

His overall Shield career average was 46 as well so he padded it a little with his England numbers but he’s certainly not the only bloke to do that. He would have handled test cricket pretty comfortably I don’t doubt that

Kasper, Bichel, MacGill, Law, di Venuto, pre-Tests Michael Hussey, Hodge dominated the County Championship around the turn of the 2000s. That in addition to the top tier test players.

That said, it annoys me how so many overseas players come into the Champ and seem to do so much better than the English players.

 

[PhatBoy]

Kasper, Bichel, MacGill, Law, di Venuto, pre-Tests Michael Hussey, Hodge dominated the County Championship around the turn of the 2000s. That in addition to the top tier test players.

That said, it annoys me how so many overseas players come into the Champ and seem to do so much better than the English players.

Im not sure what it’s like now overall but at that point Shield was a much better standard at least that was always the impression given, and there were so many English players just collecting a pay check, or ex-internationals from all over the world just looking for a retirement package. Hell, The Judge played for Hampshire for a decade after his last test and was still churning out bulk runs. Ramps was the same. You could coast along and earn a decent wage with no real pressure of having to quit. And the sheer volume of teams over there probably meant the standard was diluted a bit.

The Australian and SA comps were the top of the tree at that stage and although SA still had the odd import their comp was very much a hardened proper professional development first class competition not a circuit. I think they are probably much of a muchness at the moment

 

[Black Diamond]

He probably suffered a little bit when you view his figures retrospectively in that his best years came after he turned 30.

He still had outstanding figures beforehand - he made nearly 10,000 first class runs before he was 30, at 46.9

After he turned 30 he made 17,000 at 52. But after he turned 30 he was never really going to get a look in as that was when Australia was at its peak.

His overall Shield career average was 46 as well so he padded it a little with his England numbers but he’s certainly not the only bloke to do that. He would have handled test cricket pretty comfortably I don’t doubt that

Law is the unluckiest because of who he debuted with, and how that other debutant was dropped on 0.

He and Ponting came into the side for Blewett (dropped) and Steve Waugh (injured). Ponting came down the wicket to Murali, the ball took the outside edge and went past first slip.

Ponting ended up out in the 90s for a howler. Law reached 50 and the declaration came with him not out.

Ponting held his spot when Waugh came back. Law never had another opportunity.

That missed dismissal was a huge sliding doors moment for two careers.

 

[sabso]

Im not sure what it’s like now overall but at that point Shield was a much better standard at least that was always the impression given, and there were so many English players just collecting a pay check, or ex-internationals from all over the world just looking for a retirement package. Hell, The Judge played for Hampshire for a decade after his last test and was still churning out bulk runs. Ramps was the same. You could coast along and earn a decent wage with no real pressure of having to quit. And the sheer volume of teams over there probably meant the standard was diluted a bit.

The Australian and SA comps were the top of the tree at that stage and although SA still had the odd import their comp was very much a hardened proper professional development first class competition not a circuit. I think they are probably much of a muchness at the moment

My impression of the Shield is that it's always a higher standard comp than the Champ - six teams versus eighteen means the floor is much higher. English/overseas players wouldn't get into a Shield XI these days even if the level dropped off dramatically. Unless they are Aus qualified of course.

 

[sabso]

Law is the unluckiest because of who he debuted with, and how that other debutant was dropped on 0.

That missed dismissal was a huge sliding doors moment for two careers.

The other debutant rubbed 166 more tests in his face.

 

[Black Diamond]

The other debutant rubbed 166 more tests in his face.

Yes, it obviously worked out that the better player had a long career.

Still a sliding doors moment and something outside of Law's control.

 

[PhatBoy]

Law is the unluckiest because of who he debuted with, and how that other debutant was dropped on 0.

He and Ponting came into the side for Blewett (dropped) and Steve Waugh (injured). Ponting came down the wicket to Murali, the ball took the outside edge and went past first slip.

Ponting ended up out in the 90s for a howler. Law reached 50 and the declaration came with him not out.

Ponting held his spot when Waugh came back. Law never had another opportunity.

That missed dismissal was a huge sliding doors moment for two careers.

He was also 6 years older (I’m assuming it’s Ponting you’re talking about as from memory they played the same test against Sri Lanka). Ponting was always going to play a tonne of test cricket, he’d been a prodigal son from when he was at the academy, and Law himself still went on to make an unbeaten half century.

I take your point because people still talk about Ponting being robbed of a debut hundred to this day by a dodgy leg before decision but his career wasn’t going to be slowed down too much one way or the other. Law was going to have to find another way to keep a spot

 

[Black Diamond]

He was also 6 years older (I’m assuming it’s Ponting you’re talking about as from memory they played the same test against Sri Lanka). Ponting was always going to play a tonne of test cricket, he’d been a prodigal son from when he was at the academy, and Law himself still went on to make an unbeaten half century.

I take your point because people still talk about Ponting being robbed of a debut hundred to this day by a dodgy leg before decision but his career wasn’t going to be slowed down too much one way or the other. Law was going to have to find another way to keep a spot

You never know though. The declaration would not have come when it did, maybe Law would have gone close to a century? At minimum he would have added one more test to his tally.

Ponting's dismissal might have been seen as reckless and he could well have been punished for it at selection. Add that to his Kings Cross punch-up and it could have gone pear shaped.

 

[sabso]

He was also 6 years older (I’m assuming it’s Ponting you’re talking about as from memory they played the same test against Sri Lanka). Ponting was always going to play a tonne of test cricket, he’d been a prodigal son from when he was at the academy, and Law himself still went on to make an unbeaten half century.

I take your point because people still talk about Ponting being robbed of a debut hundred to this day by a dodgy leg before decision but his career wasn’t going to be slowed down too much one way or the other. Law was going to have to find another way to keep a spot

Law was still only 27. Also completely forgot Boof dominated FC batting for two decades including in the champ, and he only made his test debut at 28. He paralleled Sachin.

 

[peternorth]

I reckon Andy Bichel was similar, 12th man a shitload of times. He really became a decent bat too after a few County stints, very solid.

a former friend used to say Bichel is good because he tries.

i sometimes called hi Bi-Cule

 

[peternorth]

He probably suffered a little bit when you view his figures retrospectively in that his best years came after he turned 30.

He still had outstanding figures beforehand - he made nearly 10,000 first class runs before he was 30, at 46.9

After he turned 30 he made 17,000 at 52. But after he turned 30 he was never really going to get a look in as that was when Australia was at its peak.

His overall Shield career average was 46 as well so he padded it a little with his England numbers but he’s certainly not the only bloke to do that. He would have handled test cricket pretty comfortably I don’t doubt that

qld had a hell of a lot of gun players not to play more for AUS back then. Martin Love....who was his opening partner?