Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

[Chief]

Australian Coronavirus Stats

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[Roby]

Its frustrating because there are people on both sides who are clearly completely wrong and they feed off each other, making one another more stubborn.

The virus is very serious and people need to treat it so but you just know hardly anyone is. I hate this trait of modern life how their is no individual responsibility and its easier to blame the Government, your work or someone else entirely. Dont touch anything you dont have to when you're out, wash your hands, stay home if you have ANY symptoms and the virus will be stopped much quicker. Its easier for people to just go about their daily lives then blame someone else later.

On the other end of the scale, I struggle to see how we end up worse than Italy's death rate / total death numbers. There are several factors that go into this that have been detailed many times on here but if someone can explain to me with logic and facts about how we could end up worse or the same as Italy given they had more than 3 times the number of deaths of us by the time we had a similar amount of cases I'm all ears.

For my part, I think the obvious things the Government should have and could be doing better
1) Honesty and clarity in their messaging with the approach we are taking and why.
2) Shutting down the borders A LOT sooner - this annoys me the most
3) Have started manufacturing our own kits sooner so we can test as many people as humanely possible at all times.

Nobody here has said will end up worse or the same as Italy because

A) we have the benefit of hindsight
B) we don't meet the same conditions


But if you want to run the experiment and see what kind of the numbers will get them play your game and see what happens.

But at 25% of Italy is a shit outcome and 50% is unthinkable that people here are in so much denial they are getting hysterical about those who mention it.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Zero chance.

Round 2 won't go ahead.

You said the same thing about Round 1. Stay being wrong

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is currently work on less invasive measures of the test being developed, one of which is a swab test that people can do at home.

My idea: send these kits out to all Australians at an affordable fee (as done by DNA-heritage sites) - and then use these funds to either donate to COVID-related charities or the healthcare system.

If possible I like but change it around a bit - as people are negligent and ignorant.

Send a kit out every home, send it out every month free of charge.

Results need to be logged online / posted within a week. Failure to do so incurs an income based penalty on your next tax return.

Our society / government simply cant function like a well-oiled machine on that scale so its a pipe-dream but its nice to dream of what could happen if people / Government werent potato

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Enclosed space, actually

Same thing

 

[magpienato]

Nah I didn't panic buy because there needs to be something to panic about first in order to panic buy.

 

[Light_Soda]

Nah I didn't panic buy because there needs to be something to panic about first in order to panic buy.

There is something to panic about, it's to panic about others panic buying because others are panicking.

 

[JackOutback]

I actually think it will. If current measures hold and there are no reported player cases (in both AFL and NRL) they will definitely try to keep going at least until Easter.

One positive test and one more closed border and it’s kaput. I’m staggered at their arrogance in going ahead with round 1, reckon round 2 is at 50/50 and round 3 next to no chance.

 

[dont bowl there]

So couldn't find anything on health.gov.au as to how a case gets officially "closed" and nobody on here knows either?

 

[Roby]

You said the same thing about Round 1. Stay being wrong

You've mistaken me for someone else.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Nobody here has said will end up worse or the same as Italy because

A) we have the benefit of hindsight
B) we don't meet the same conditions


But if you want to run the experiment and see what kind of the numbers will get them play your game and see what happens.

But at 25% of Italy is a shit outcome and 50% is unthinkable that people here are in so much denial they are getting hysterical about those who mention it.

???????

Just like Dorothy in the Wizard of OZ, just keep repeating 'we're nothing like Italy' and I guess it will come true.

Unfortunately right now the truth is we're tracking worse than Italy in % increase of cases. And this with the added benefit of hindsight. The word "quarantine" was invented in Venice, not in England or Australia. We are worse than Italy.

Before you say, I was 'clearly talking just about % increase of cases' well that's your fault because I would think its pretty obvious everyone is talking we wont end up like Italy's death rate when we say we wont end up like Italy.

 

[magpienato]

One positive test and one more closed border and it’s kaput. I’m staggered at their arrogance in going ahead with round 1, reckon round 2 is at 50/50 and round 3 next to no chance.

Bookmarked when you're inevitably wrong.

 

[tige19]

If possible I like but change it around a bit - as people are negligent and ignorant.

Send a kit out every home, send it out every month free of charge.

Results need to be logged online / posted within a week. Failure to do so incurs an income based penalty on your next tax return.

Our society / government simply cant function like a well-oiled machine on that scale so its a pipe-dream but its nice to dream of what could happen if people / Government werent potato

If there was the ability to mass produce and distribute then this would be the best way to measure.. There would also need to be a follow up test possible a month or 2 later wouldn’t you?

 

[Roby]

???????



Before you say, I was 'clearly talking just about % increase of cases' well that's your fault because I would think its pretty obvious everyone is talking we wont end up like Italy's death rate when we say we wont end up like Italy.

That's right. Right now we are worse than Italy. Italy is doing everything to contain the virus. That's what we're worse at right now.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That's right. Right now we are worse than Italy. Italy is doing everything to contain the virus. That's what we're worse at right now.

So just to be clear (I'm honestly not sure) you dont think our death rate will be worse than Italy - Italy will be the worse case scenario across the world (apart from maybe US)?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If there was the ability to mass produce and distribute then this would be the best way to measure.. There would also need to be a follow up test possible a month or 2 later wouldn’t you?

Yeah, I'd be doing it every month.

Its a pipedream though - we dont have that level of societal control in our Government - you'd need to take over manufacturing plants around the country our Government just isnt that good anyway to organise itself that well

 

[Pykie]

So couldn't find anything on health.gov.au as to how a case gets officially "closed" and nobody on here knows either?

It was mentioned in the National Press Club interviews during the week.

I believe to be released into the community after previously testing positive, it's 2 x negative tests within 48 hours of each other, 14 days after showing no symptoms.

 

[Roby]

So just to be clear (I'm honestly not sure) you dont think our death rate will be worse than Italy - Italy will be the worse case scenario across the world (apart from maybe US)?

I'm not going to predict which is going to be worse than Italy other than the US out of the western world. I hope nobody is.

I hope we lockdown and mitigate as much as we can early and then slowly increase less restrictions over time.

As for Africa, Asia and South America....

 

[dont bowl there]

It was mentioned in the National Press Club interviews during the week.

I believe to be released into the community after previously testing positive, it's 2 x negative tests within 48 hours of each other, 14 days after showing no symptoms.

Thanks, so for every positive test we require two additional tests. I hope we have shit load on the way!

Part of the overall problem is the lack of information. I mentioned it over a week ago but I received a text about a storm last year and receive them every election. Yet no text instructing me to go to a website where all the information is available and up to date? We genuinely have to search it all for ourselves and most people will just be going off News.com.au and their want for as many deaths/panic as possible. Information is key and we suck at it.

 

[D-N-R]

That's right. Right now we are worse than Italy. Italy is doing everything to contain the virus. That's what we're worse at right now.

We are not worse than Italy.
Our cases are spread over an entire country while in Italy it was initially confined to one region.
Many of our cases have come from OS. The exponential spread comes from community transfer of which we have limited cases, and these are also spread over the country.
NSW and Qld are probably close to tightening measures. I'm glad they've shut Bondi, that was ridiculous.
However, other parts of the country are still some way off shutting down completely. It probably will happen. But it can't be done for too long, so going too early would be as disasterous as going too late.

 

[Pykie]

So NSW just released there figures on overnight cases, another 22% rise on yesterday with +83 for a total of 465.

We have now moved over 1,000 confirmed cases in Australia.

Cases now at 1,052.

 

[Roby]

We are not worse than Italy.
Our cases are spread over an entire country while in Italy it was initially confined to one region.
Many of our cases have come from OS. The exponential spread comes from community transfer of which we have limited cases, and these are also spread over the country.
NSW and Qld are probably close to tightening measures. I'm glad they've shut Bondi, that was ridiculous.
However, other parts of the country are still some way off shutting down completely. It probably will happen. But it can't be done for too long, so going too early would be as disasterous as going too late.

How is going too early more disastrous?

 

[Asapartyhat]

Just came back from a shopping centre and there were plenty of toilet paper and plenty of soap.Seems like the supermarkets have developed tactics to beat the horders.

 

[Antifa Hooligan]

Test as many as possible, even for temprature and other symptoms. Have a portable ct-scan at the airport. Quarantine them for 2 weeks. Plenty of things.

Agree, our border control has been very slack when dealing with arrivals. A decision was made that all arrivals should go into self isolation, which was good. However I've seen many news reports showing arrivals simply walking of the plane hugging people and then heading off home. No temperature checks and not much direction about what they should do. People returning are saying they are pretty much just given a one page info sheet and that's it. Others arrive and then take a flight to another city.

The approach with cruise ships has been no better, and of course yesterday's stuff up was terrible.

The government must take responsibility for the lax controls in place for arrivals. The arrivals would be just about over by the time they get around to dealing with it. Another lost opportunity.

 

[scoman]

Has anything been released about bringing games forward yet? I thought there was an idea to play the first 5 rounds in 3 weeks?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

We are not worse than Italy.
Our cases are spread over an entire country while in Italy it was initially confined to one region.
Many of our cases have come from OS. The exponential spread comes from community transfer of which we have limited cases, and these are also spread over the country.
NSW and Qld are probably close to tightening measures. I'm glad they've shut Bondi, that was ridiculous.
However, other parts of the country are still some way off shutting down completely. It probably will happen. But it can't be done for too long, so going too early would be as disasterous as going too late.

I agree with everything you have said but I do think we shouldnt be quoting the lack of community spread stats. There is massive community spread - we just havent tested for it as much (at least in NSW/Vic).

Probably a bit naive to think it isnt rampant at the moment