List Mgmt. Contracts Discussion - 2025

[Keys]

Following on from posters feedback and the popularity of the Contracts/Trade/Draft catch all thread, it’s been decided to separate each aspect of that megathread into smaller, separate streams.

This will allow more focused discussion on each aspect of list management that will make it easier for posters to find information on and/or add their own views.

There will be four list management threads overall:

• Draftees - for players not yet on an AFL list
• Trades/FA - for players on other AFL lists that we might want
• Contracts - for players on our list that we want to keep, delist or trade (this thread)
• All of the above - the existing thread that will be retained for posts that cover more than one facet, are general shitposting, wanting to discuss previous trades, draft picks etc

The first three, specific threads will be closely moderated to ensure discussion stays on topic whilst the fourth catch all thread will allow posters to be more creative in how they express themselves

With all that in mind, this is the Contracts thread and the following link(s) might be useful:

Player contract status

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

Spoiler

• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[WCE777]

Following on from posters feedback and the popularity of the Contracts/Trade/Draft catch all thread, it’s been decided to separate each aspect of that megathread into smaller, separate streams.

This will allow more focused discussion on each aspect of list management that will make it easier for posters to find information on and/or add their own views.

There will be four list management threads overall:

• Draftees - for players not yet on an AFL list
• Trades/FA - for players on other AFL lists that we might want
• Contracts - for players on our list that we want to keep, delist or trade (this thread)
• All of the above - the existing thread that will be retained for posts that cover more than one facet, are general shitposting, wanting to discuss previous trades, draft picks etc

The first three, specific threads will be closely moderated to ensure discussion stays on topic whilst the fourth catch all thread will allow posters to be more creative in how they express themselves

With all that in mind, this is the Contracts thread and the following link(s) might be useful:

Player contract status

Players out of Contract (15) - 2025

Spoiler

• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Who are the most likely to be not offered a contract, with the premise WC trade in Warner x 2 and draft best mid, Curtin and 2 FS/NGA players making a minimum of 6 list spots needed.
Sheed: Unfortunately done
Petch: traded to NM
Rawlinson: delist
Jamieson: delist, hasn't shown enough and injury prone
Chesser: trade, unless he blows 2025 out of the park but list spots will be premium and Corey Warner is a similar player and more upside being stuck behind 1 of the premier midfield in the comp, he is basically 1st up when injury happens.
Cripps: can see where he has another good season and gets a 1 year extension.
Livingstone: can see where he shows enough to get a 1 year extension or delisted, will be between him and Cripps imo.

 

[Doashuey]

Who are the most likely to be not offered a contract, with the premise WC trade in Warner x 2 and draft best mid, Curtin and 2 FS/NGA players making a minimum of 6 list spots needed.
Sheed: Unfortunately done
Petch: traded to NM
Rawlinson: delist
Jamieson: delist, hasn't shown enough and injury prone
Chesser: trade, unless he blows 2025 out of the park but list spots will be premium and Corey Warner is a similar player and more upside being stuck behind 1 of the premier midfield in the comp, he is basically 1st up when injury happens.
Cripps: can see where he has another good season and gets a 1 year extension.
Livingstone: can see where he shows enough to get a 1 year extension or delisted, will be between him and Cripps imo.

Hunt and Cole out of contract and have a few young guys breathing down their necks. They would both want good seasons or they may be on the trade table. I think Hunt is much safer than Cole as we have more small/med defender options than we do wing options.
Hope Bazzo gets a decent run with injury for once and can show something this year. I suspect we would be patient with him in any case but he could be one who gets unlucky if things don't go well for him in 2025.
Will also have 2 more players from SPP/MSD coming on board this year. If they are only offered a 1 year contract and don't impress then there are 2 easy to make cuts if others prove their worth.

 

[KERRPOW]

• Tim Kelly - Re-sign or trade if he is not happy with his offer
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Retire
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Hope to retain on our terms, should not be offering a LTC on mega bucks due to injury/consistency risks
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - needs a big year to warrant a new contract. possible delist.
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Solid role player, we cant just delist everyone especially a seasoned body when we have young players around, 2 year extension i reckon
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - unfortunately for him will be a delist i think.
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - 2 year extension i reckon
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - delist
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - 1 year extension if the forms there and he wants to go on
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - trade
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - re-sign
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - re-sign
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - in the frame to be delisted
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - in the frame to be delisted
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - you'd think an extension will occur during the year

probably 6-8 players being turned over at the end of the season.

 

[BSD]

Hunt and Cole out of contract and have a few young guys breathing down their necks. They would both want good seasons or they may be on the trade table. I think Hunt is much safer than Cole as we have more small/med defender options than we do wing options.
Hope Bazzo gets a decent run with injury for once and can show something this year. I suspect we would be patient with him in any case but he could be one who gets unlucky if things don't go well for him in 2025.
Will also have 2 more players from SPP/MSD coming on board this year. If they are only offered a 1 year contract and don't impress then there are 2 easy to make cuts if others prove their worth.

Edwards should be included in the list. Too slow off the mark. With Hurn and Taylor at the club can't they train one of the young guys to replace him. if not they need to recruit some one.

 

[stallon]

Edwards should be included in the list. Too slow off the mark. With Hurn and Taylor at the club can't they train one of the young guys to replace him. if not they need to recruit some one.

Will still take time to replace him with a kid.

Who are the most likely to be not offered a contract, with the premise WC trade in Warner x 2 and draft best mid, Curtin and 2 FS/NGA players making a minimum of 6 list spots needed.
Sheed: Unfortunately done
Petch: traded to NM
Rawlinson: delist
Jamieson: delist, hasn't shown enough and injury prone
Chesser: trade, unless he blows 2025 out of the park but list spots will be premium and Corey Warner is a similar player and more upside being stuck behind 1 of the premier midfield in the comp, he is basically 1st up when injury happens.
Cripps: can see where he has another good season and gets a 1 year extension.
Livingstone: can see where he shows enough to get a 1 year extension or delisted, will be between him and Cripps imo.

Remember Livingstone and rawlinson are rookies, and won't necessarily make space for any of those 6 we theoretically recruit in the off-season. Depends what we sign our SSP guys as, but any of them could be on the chopping block too

 

[WCE777]

• Tim Kelly - Re-sign or trade if he is not happy with his offer
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Retire
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Hope to retain on our terms, should not be offering a LTC on mega bucks due to injury/consistency risks
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - needs a big year to warrant a new contract. possible delist.
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Solid role player, we cant just delist everyone especially a seasoned body when we have young players around, 2 year extension i reckon
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - unfortunately for him will be a delist i think.
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - 2 year extension i reckon
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - delist
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - 1 year extension if the forms there and he wants to go on
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - trade
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - re-sign
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - re-sign
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - in the frame to be delisted
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - in the frame to be delisted
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - you'd think an extension will occur during the year

probably 6-8 players being turned over at the end of the season.

I would agree totally with your thoughts

 

[bzparkes]

Edwards should be included in the list. Too slow off the mark. With Hurn and Taylor at the club can't they train one of the young guys to replace him. if not they need to recruit some one.

We're going to cut a bloke after just extending him for 3 years?

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I think the Harry Edwards naysayers are going to be very quiet come about midway through this season.

 

[WCE777]

Will still take time to replace him with a kid.


Remember Livingstone and rawlinson are rookies, and won't necessarily make space for any of those 6 we theoretically recruit in the off-season. Depends what we sign our SSP guys as, but any of them could be on the chopping block too

SSP players would be on 1 year rookie imo, there is probably a scenario where 1 list spot is left open if either Brock or Henderson don't make the cut. If Henderson makes the cut he will probably get a 2 year contract, being from Victoria.
1 of Dewar or Hutch will get upgraded to primary list depending on season.
1 of Bazzo or Brockman may get a rookie contract if they don't progress or Flynn if he has injured season again, but Bazzo might be next in line to delist?
Who would you have out if we need 6 list spots?

 

[stallon]

Who would you have out if we need 6 list spots?

The usual few names then its a wait and see.
Too many of the candidates are kids who aren't a complete product, any of them could jump ahead and retain their list spot and vice versa
Some could even ask for a trade

 

[FKASC]

Sack Simmo am I right

 

[mat11]

These 4 would have to be in trouble with a bad year or year of no improvement

Rawlinson
Jameison
Petrucelle
Chesser

Sheed (retire)
Cripps(retire)

Cole and Hunt get 1yr extensions.
TK 2 year deal.

Livingstone and barnett get a bit of time because of the tall guy tax.



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[Ambrose Burnside]

There's still so much dead wood.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I make it that we have 14 players out of contract.

The categories I have them in are

1. Retire Scenario

• Sheed was cooked prior to the ACL and will be 30 this year and likely to be paid out early and a place opened up with him gone before the mid season draft.
• Cripps will be 33 this year and it is highly likely Mini loves him. He is hard working and consistent. The acquisition of Owies provides strength in this position and it will likely depend on form in 2025 and how the likes of Petruccelle and Brockman go. Too early to say in this case.
• Kelly - most likely to stay and we need him in the midfield. He can also play wing and HFF so will suit the Mini game plan. I expect he goes again but would not be entitled to a $1 mln contract based on 2024 output. Start negotiations now for a 2 year extension with the second year being based on a trigger. Highly incentivise the deal
• Hunt - nothing to suggest he does not go on again. I would happily give another year and best to wait until after the bye round before starting discussions.

Cut now

• Jamieson. Nothing more to say on this topic

Free Agency calls

• Petruccelle (RFA) is still a tease and he is turning 27. I would do nothing until we see how he performs in the new game strategy. His pace would be a highly desired trait in the chaos ball but can he read the play to get in the right position. I would be fine seeing how he goes and hearing what the FA compo would be - likely only band 4.
• Cole (UFA) has been a great pick and I was surprised that Simmo did not try him as a midfielder. That said, he is only 28 and his leadership and experience is important. From all reports he is happy and settled here and I cannot see a high demand so would be happy to extend mid season assuming form and body OK.
• Allen (RFA) is the elephant in the room. No problems at all in giving him a 5 year decent deal provided his body holds up. We run the risk that the Saints, Roos or Drug Rats use up some of their salary cap and offer silly money on a long term deal. As he is a RFA, we have the right to match. I expect any deal would net us a R1 compo band so we can see how he goes, how our structure looks, how the alternatives develop and then decide late in the year whether we take a pick in the range of 3-6 or whether we match the offer.

Extend

• Hutchinson has been a stand out pre season and his transition to midfield is a big bonus. As soon as he looks to be the goods in the early par of the season, I would be offering him a 3 year extension on decent money. As a MSD rookie, he would be on very modest money so something around $500k would be likely. Without knowing all the details of the can and cannot on the rookie list, it would be a bonus to extend him as a rookie.

All to Play for in 2025

• Bazzo is a position of need and I would love to see him make it in 2025. Re-assess in the second half of the season.
• Chesser is hardly a favourite on the boards and this will be his 4th season. Time to show what you can son and stop living off the "I drove the Nullabour to get here" - Lou Painter has usurped your crown.
• Dewar - he is now a Cat A rookie and if he can show consistently what he did at the Cattery, he should be able to really make his mark in 2025. That said, re-assess in the back half of the season.
• Rawlingson was very lucky to get another year. I suspect Massey is a big fan and he may just be someone that if ignited with the chaos ball forward line. Will be likely waiting until late in the year for his AFL chances so he needs to hit the WAFL scene hard. Contract discussions on hold.
• Livingstone is a Cat B and with the likes of our NGA prospects, he will need to deliver the goods at WAFL in 2025. He is not likely to be given AFL game time ahead of both Williams, Reid or Shanahan so he is playing for a spot and will be lucky to survive.

No comment at all on Champion as he is only just joined.

 

[Obeanie1]

I make it that we have 14 players out of contract.

The categories I have them in are

1. Retire Scenario

• Sheed was cooked prior to the ACL and will be 30 this year and likely to be paid out early and a place opened up with him gone before the mid season draft.
• Cripps will be 33 this year and it is highly likely Mini loves him. He is hard working and consistent. The acquisition of Owies provides strength in this position and it will likely depend on form in 2025 and how the likes of Petruccelle and Brockman go. Too early to say in this case.
• Kelly - most likely to stay and we need him in the midfield. He can also play wing and HFF so will suit the Mini game plan. I expect he goes again but would not be entitled to a $1 mln contract based on 2024 output. Start negotiations now for a 2 year extension with the second year being based on a trigger. Highly incentivise the deal
• Hunt - nothing to suggest he does not go on again. I would happily give another year and best to wait until after the bye round before starting discussions.

Cut now

• Jamieson. Nothing more to say on this topic

Free Agency calls

• Petruccelle (RFA) is still a tease and he is turning 27. I would do nothing until we see how he performs in the new game strategy. His pace would be a highly desired trait in the chaos ball but can he read the play to get in the right position. I would be fine seeing how he goes and hearing what the FA compo would be - likely only band 4.
• Cole (UFA) has been a great pick and I was surprised that Simmo did not try him as a midfielder. That said, he is only 28 and his leadership and experience is important. From all reports he is happy and settled here and I cannot see a high demand so would be happy to extend mid season assuming form and body OK.
• Allen (RFA) is the elephant in the room. No problems at all in giving him a 5 year decent deal provided his body holds up. We run the risk that the Saints, Roos or Drug Rats use up some of their salary cap and offer silly money on a long term deal. As he is a RFA, we have the right to match. I expect any deal would net us a R1 compo band so we can see how he goes, how our structure looks, how the alternatives develop and then decide late in the year whether we take a pick in the range of 3-6 or whether we match the offer.

Extend

• Hutchinson has been a stand out pre season and his transition to midfield is a big bonus. As soon as he looks to be the goods in the early par of the season, I would be offering him a 3 year extension on decent money. As a MSD rookie, he would be on very modest money so something around $500k would be likely. Without knowing all the details of the can and cannot on the rookie list, it would be a bonus to extend him as a rookie.

All to Play for in 2025

• Bazzo is a position of need and I would love to see him make it in 2025. Re-assess in the second half of the season.
• Chesser is hardly a favourite on the boards and this will be his 4th season. Time to show what you can son and stop living off the "I drove the Nullabour to get here" - Lou Painter has usurped your crown.
• Dewar - he is now a Cat A rookie and if he can show consistently what he did at the Cattery, he should be able to really make his mark in 2025. That said, re-assess in the back half of the season.
• Rawlingson was very lucky to get another year. I suspect Massey is a big fan and he may just be someone that if ignited with the chaos ball forward line. Will be likely waiting until late in the year for his AFL chances so he needs to hit the WAFL scene hard. Contract discussions on hold.
• Livingstone is a Cat B and with the likes of our NGA prospects, he will need to deliver the goods at WAFL in 2025. He is not likely to be given AFL game time ahead of both Williams, Reid or Shanahan so he is playing for a spot and will be lucky to survive.

No comment at all on Champion as he is only just joined.

Just on Livingstone and any 18 year old ruck drafted I struggle to understand why people put them on the delist pile so quickly.

What are we realistically expecting them to deliver in their first two years? Dean Cox struggled to run a lap when drafted as a rookie. Ended up becoming a generational ruck with endurance never seen before.

McGovern was banished to the WAFL to get fit and given a wake up call.

I dont see the point in drafting 18 yr old talls or rucks if the club only gives them 2 years to prove themselves. Unless they just don't want to do the work or have significant issues.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Just on Livingstone and any 18 year old ruck drafted I struggle to understand why people put them on the delist pile so quickly.

What are you expecting to deliver in their first two years. Dean Cox struggled to run a lap when drafted as a rookie. Ended up becoming a generational ruck with endurance never seen before.

I dont see the point in drafting 18 yr old rucks if the club only gives them 2 years to prove themselves. Unless they just don't want to do the work or have significant issues.

I see him as a KPF not a ruck - he looks undersized as a ruck even at WAFL

With J Williams A Reid and Shanahan, he is not likely to get time as a KPF

As always, a lot to see in 2025 before a decision like that with Livingstone

 

[Obeanie1]

I see him as a KPF not a ruck - he looks undersized as a ruck even at WAFL

With J Williams A Reid and Shanahan, he is not likely to get time as a KPF

As always, a lot to see in 2025 before a decision like that with Livingstone

Will be interesting to see how he performs in the All Stars game as #1 ruck.

He is more of a 2nd ruck and a forward.

I wouldn't be throwing Livingstone onto the delist pile just because we have other forwards and ruck forwards. They do cop injuries the talls up near 200cm.

We need to sort out the #1 ruck spot and that likely means Bailey, Barnett or Flynn don't make it.

Archer looks like a fwd 2nd ruck.

And if Oscar moves he definately stays.

 

[suntagonal]

WCE Bigfooty Posters: Naitanui or bust!

 

[WCEConnor23]

I see him as a KPF not a ruck - he looks undersized as a ruck even at WAFL

With J Williams A Reid and Shanahan, he is not likely to get time as a KPF

As always, a lot to see in 2025 before a decision like that with Livingstone

I think we could look to deploy a mobile ruck duo in the future. J.Williams and Archer Reid could be a pretty awesome dual threat in a few years. Livingstone could prove to be valuable depth alongside B.Williams.

 

[Doashuey]

Edwards should be included in the list. Too slow off the mark. With Hurn and Taylor at the club can't they train one of the young guys to replace him. if not they need to recruit some one.

I wouldn't have thought so. He may not be perfect but he is our only other experienced key back (Gov being the other obviously) and he has 3 years to run on his contract. There are a lot in front of him to be delisted or traded and I expect he will have a very solid year this year, injuries permitting.

 

[garlic munchers]

I think the Harry Edwards naysayers are going to be very quiet come about midway through this season.

So after how many years in the list, this bloke is suddenly going to reduce his turning circle from something less than Dodge Ram 3500 with a 22 foot caravan in tow and a driver from Dalkeith (who's biggest turning challenge previously, was whether to head towards Rotto or Garden Island as the sea breeze comes in) and will now keep his feet after a career of going down quicker than Prince Andrew would at a Girl Scouts convention?

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

So after how many years in the list, this bloke is suddenly going to reduce his turning circle from something less than Dodge Ram 3500 with a 22 foot caravan in tow and a driver from Dalkeith (who's biggest turning challenge previously, was whether to head towards Rotto or Garden Island as the sea breeze comes in) and will now keep his feet after a career of going down quicker than Prince Andrew would at a Girl Scouts convention?

Bit of an exaggeration I would have thought, if you like creative writing though you just stick at it

He's proven himself a great contested mark, he's over 200cm tall, tough and built like a brick shithouse. His role isn't to zip around like Eddie Betts. He matches it with the opposing teams most imposing forwards...many or most of whom aren't exactly fleet of foot either. Usain Bolt would look slow as treacle in our backline, the way the ball has been shooting into it out of stoppage or a center bouce the last few years.

Far as I can tell, he's done bloody good at his role when he's had a clean run of health. If he gets that in 2025, expect him to improve again sharply.

 

[We_The_West]

I recall H.Edwards having a beast game a couple of years ago.... I think he took 23 marks and broke the WAFL record?

He definitely has some ability and we need a beast KPD to man the big blokes, and Gov's not getting any younger.

He's not getting delisted we are thin for KPDs.

 

[BSD]

I think the Harry Edwards naysayers are going to be very quiet come about midway through this season.

And what do you base your comments on.