List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[eaglevision]

If we convince Chad to join us at the end of next year and the Swans inevitably ask for Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

in return (after matching a FA bid)… Do we do the trade assuming Oscar gives the green light?

 

[WCEswift]

he just wants a bit of security on 3 years.

We want security in being able to select him week in week out, we all can get what we want

 

[stallon]

If we convince Chad to join us at the end of next year and the Swans inevitably ask for Oscar Allen in return (after matching a FA bid)… Do we do the trade assuming Oscar gives the green light?

Only if Oscar came to us with it, I wouldnt go to Oscar to see what he thinks if Sydney asked. Itd just be a no.

I dont think Oscar goes anywhere, but we cant afford to lose him at this stage, hes still our best forward and captain.

 

[VicBased]

Only if Oscar came to us with it, I wouldnt go to Oscar to see what he thinks if Sydney asked. Itd just be a no.

I dont think Oscar goes anywhere, but we cant afford to lose him at this stage, hes still our best forward and captain.

I am not so sure about him being our best forward.
If JW is consistent with his form then he could oust Oscar from in front of the sticks

 

[random260]

Only if Oscar came to us with it, I wouldnt go to Oscar to see what he thinks if Sydney asked. Itd just be a no.

I dont think Oscar goes anywhere, but we cant afford to lose him at this stage, hes still our best forward and captain.

If Oscar sooks it up with Waterman being our key target and sooks it up to the point he is fat and immobile to play up the ground I want him on the trade table

Just because he's captain doesn't mean he is untradable. It's a laughable defence given he has played so little games.

 

[stallon]

Getting Baker would soften the blow of losing Yeo, and we can cover TB.
TB for Buss + Dogs pick for Bazlenka

If TB can get us Buss and Travaglia, and Yeos pick can get us Baker, thats not a bad offseason. Add in one or two random cheap depth trade ins (Sheldrick for F2?) and we are sorted for another year.
I wouldnt do anything to set up for Warner next year, just draft whichever mid with our first pick and see what happens.

On-ball group of Kelly, Reid, Hewett, Ginbey, Baker, 2024 1st pick along with Culley/Hall/Sheldrick as depth (also Sheed)

 

[stallon]

If Oscar sooks it up with Waterman being our key target and sooks it up to the point he is fat and immobile to play up the ground I want him on the trade table

???

I am not so sure about him being our best forward.
If JW is consistent with his form then he could oust Oscar from in front of the sticks

Allen did what he did with a non-existent midfield kicking it to him last year, Waterman at least has had some decent supply.
I still rate Allen higher, but both are very good when fit as we have seen.

People forget Allen was one of the best KPFs in the comp last year

 

[JackOutback]

If Oscar sooks it up with Waterman being our key target and sooks it up to the point he is fat and immobile to play up the ground I want him on the trade table

Just because he's captain doesn't mean he is untradable. It's a laughable defence given he hasn't even play 1 game as captain

Didn't he play round 1?

 

[InTheWings]

We do need to generate more picks and we don't have a lot of currency, but Barrass has been excellent for us all year, lose him and we're an injury to Gov away from being torn apart each week and stunting the development of our youth. The only players with any currency that I'd be willing to part with are Petruccelle and maybe BWilliams (depending on how Flynn goes for the rest of the year) if someone was willing to offer a second rounder.

This is probably where we might be able to trade. If Flynn holds up as first ruck, Jack Williams would be capable of holding down the forward/2nd rick spot, so in that scenario Bailey could be tradable and might fetch a respectable pick. Petch too, is great when he is on so might also attract a reasonable offer.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Didn't he play round 1?

Classic West Coast playing a cripple even after everything. Should never have played after getting injured in the practice match.

 

[VicBased]

???

Allen did what he did with a non-existent midfield kicking it to him last year, Waterman at least has had some decent supply.
I still rate Allen higher, but both are very good when fit as we have seen.

People forget Allen was one of the best KPFs in the comp last year

Don't get me wrong, love Oscar but he hasn't played for quite a while whereas Jake has form now.
WC would be wise to leave Jake in front of the sticks for the rest of the season.
4 games for Oscar in the wafl to see where he is at, then chf for the rest of the season.

 

[ArdentEagle]

If we convince Chad to join us at the end of next year and the Swans inevitably ask for Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

in return (after matching a FA bid)… Do we do the trade assuming Oscar gives the green light?

Big NO from me Bro... He's an untradeable in my eyes. It would have to be stupid to even make me consider it.

 

[Tugga27]

If Oscar sooks it up with Waterman being our key target and sooks it up to the point he is fat and immobile to play up the ground I want him on the trade table

Just because he's captain doesn't mean he is untradable. It's a laughable defence given he has played so little games.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any worse, you surprise me.
FMD

 

[ArdentEagle]

I am not so sure about him being our best forward.
If JW is consistent with his form then he could oust Oscar from in front of the sticks

Yeah...Nah.

Short memory perhaps.

 

[random260]

Yeah...Nah.

Short memory perhaps.

Nobody forgot how good Oscar Allen is. But Waterman is the recarnation of Josh Kennedy. And if Oscar Allen couldnt get a spot over Prime Josh then I doubt he can one over recarnated Josh Kennedy.

At the moment Waterman's work rate and his attack on the ground ball surpasses/rivals Josh Kennedy. And yes on form. ON current form Waterman contested marking matches JK.

However, the only negative is that can regress in contested marking.


Tdlr:
Prime JK > Prime Oscar
JK = Waterman current form
Waterman > Oscar

All based on logic

 

[ArdentEagle]

If Oscar sooks it up with Waterman being our key target and sooks it up to the point he is fat and immobile to play up the ground I want him on the trade table

Just because he's captain doesn't mean he is untradable. It's a laughable defence given he has played so little games.

Definitely strong username to comment correlation. Why the Allen Argo?

 

[eaglevision]

Big NO from me Bro... He's an untradeable in my eyes. It would have to be stupid to even make me consider it.

Brought a tear to my eye writing it but I’m looking at what Sydney’s likely to want the most and that’s unfortunately the likely answer. Established gun KPF as part of a huge flag window with a young midfield. Of course we can say no but is trading Oscar worth it if we keep our 2025 R1 and 2026 R1?

I don’t even want to give an opinion on it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Nobody forgot how good Oscar Allen is. But Waterman is the recarnation of Josh Kennedy. And if prime Oscar Allen couldnt get a spot over Prime Josh then I doubt he can one over recarnated Josh Kennedy.

At the moment Waterman's work rate and his attack on the ground ball surpasses/rivals Josh Kennedy.

And yes on form. ON current form Waterman contested marking matches JK.

However, the only negative is that can regress in contested marking.

Kennedy did it for years. I'm a Waterman fan and always have been but that call is way too early. Waterman is in great form for sure but Kennedy is in a different echelon all together.

 

[Tugga27]

Have I got this right?

Let's get rid of Yeo for a seconder rounder.
Trade TB and hope to get an untried defender and another draft pick for him.
And whist we're at it, trade our captain OA because he might spit the chewy over Waterman.

And Gov gets injured next year and we have Busslinger and Harry Edwards
as our KPD's.

Waterman doesn't continue his great form and we've got him, Darling and Bailey Williams
as our KPF's.

OK.
Sounds reasonable.

 

[Tugga27]

Brought a tear to my eye writing it but I’m looking at what Sydney’s likely to want the most and that’s unfortunately the likely answer. Established gun KPF as part of a huge flag window with a young midfield. Of course we can say no but is trading Oscar worth it if we keep our 2025 R1 and 2026 R1?

I don’t even want to give an opinion on it.

We'll want to have a great midfield because we won't have a defence or forward line.

Not to mention the affect on morale when we trade a local boy who's our captain away

 

[VicBased]

Yeah...Nah.

Short memory perhaps.

I am talking in context for the rest of the season and JW is the go to forward with form.
Oscar will need to get fit and prove his knee is stable etc .
If WC rush him back that would be all kinds of stupid .
JW is in form and kicking goals, leave him in ff.

 

[Tugga27]

I am talking in context for the rest of the season and JW is the go to forward with form.
Oscar will need to get fit and prove his knee is stable etc .
If WC rush him back that would be all kinds of stupid .
JW is in form and kicking goals, leave him in ff.

Rushing him back if he's not fit would be stupid.
Making him play 4 games in the wafl would be even stupidier IMO.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I am talking in context for the rest of the season and JW is the go to forward with form.
Oscar will need to get fit and prove his knee is stable etc .
If WC rush him back that would be all kinds of stupid .
JW is in form and kicking goals, leave him in ff.

With you now...That makes more sense.

 

[donpyke92]

Rushing him back if he's not fit would be stupid.
Making him play 4 games in the wafl would be stupidier IMO.

And trading him would be the most stupid of all

 

[VicBased]

Rushing him back if he's not fit would be stupid.
Making him play 4 games in the wafl would be stupidier IMO.

What would you suggest?