List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[archiemoses]

Sheldrick can't get a game in a swans midfield missing Mills, Parker and Adams

 

[eaglevision]

Sheldrick can't get a game in a swans midfield missing Mills, Parker and Adams

2025 draft:
WCE OUT: F2
WCE IN: Sheldrick

 

[Keys]

 

[MrWoollie]

Ryan Daniels reporting on the Hard Ball Gets that he doesn’t think we’re getting English - he’s likely to re-sign with the dogs


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I just wish he'd get it over with. Sign for 5 years at $1mill and be done with it.

1 - screw the Dogs salary cap
2 - place all concussion risk on the Dogs.
3 - put everyone on this board out of our collective miseries.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Sheldrick can't get a game in a swans midfield missing Mills, Parker and Adams

That can’t be right! DS said Sheldrick was like a stud bull we couldn’t pass up on, how come he can’t get a game……………..hang on does this mean DS is FOS?

 

[WCE_phil]

That can’t be right! DS said Sheldrick was like a stud bull we couldn’t pass up on, how come he can’t get a game……………..hang on does this mean DS is FOS?

Sheldrick could still be a very good in and under player but a bit like Prestia to do it at AFL level he needs more strength. You don't walk in at his height these days and just go head to head on the inside ball unless you want to destroy kids careers. Sheldrick isn't small and had plenty of body size to him but not the kind of man child strength of someone like darling. Still needs to build more core strength. It's also not like Sydney have a midfield of big bull types either to protect him.

From all reports James Jordon and Matty Roberts had pretty good off seasons are a touch more versatile and are just holding him out by a bees dick however Sheldrick played decently last year at AFL level and very well at VFL level. I genuinely thought with Sydney's outs at the moment he would 100% be playing.

 

[WCErevival]

Isnt Sheldrick just the modern day Mcginnity?

 

[navi_]

Sheldrick the answer to our genuine pig desires from 2 days ago

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Sheldrick the answer to our genuine pig desires from 2 days ago

Who wants a pig when you can have a horse

 

[WCE_phil]

Who wants a pig when you can have a horse

Pig tastes so much better.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Pig tastes so much better.

Unless you're female.

Sex life and all that.

 

[FKASC]

 

[briztoon]

Pig tastes so much better.

So many great south East Asian pork dishes, that most westerners have no idea about.

But I lurv goat.

 

[bzparkes]

But I lurv goatSE

Filthy bastard...

 

[Obeanie1]

Sheldrick could still be a very good in and under player but a bit like Prestia to do it at AFL level he needs more strength. You don't walk in at his height these days and just go head to head on the inside ball unless you want to destroy kids careers. Sheldrick isn't small and had plenty of body size to him but not the kind of man child strength of someone like darling. Still needs to build more core strength. It's also not like Sydney have a midfield of big bull types either to protect him.

From all reports James Jordon and Matty Roberts had pretty good off seasons are a touch more versatile and are just holding him out by a bees dick however Sheldrick played decently last year at AFL level and very well at VFL level. I genuinely thought with Sydney's outs at the moment he would 100% be playing.

And with the Swans having no trouble attracting interstate talent through trades and FA PLUS getting free dip every year with their academies the result is players like Sheldrick and Warner Jnr will be pushed down the pecking order.

Definately opportunities there, and at Gold Coast, GWS and Brisbane.

 

[Obeanie1]

Heads up a thread worth keep track of in the Draft and Trades folder.

Davo-27s 2024 Draft thread page 1.

Draft Expert - Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

September Top 60 1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm 2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm 3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm 4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm 5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm 6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm 7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm 8. Tobie...

www.bigfooty.com

Decent summay out to pick 50.

Top 5 pretty standard across other predictions.

If we do have pick 1 is there a Harley Ried standout to pick?

Richmond have a mountain of picks and their likely 1st will be 3 to 6. Jagga Smith / Josh Smillie.

Swans will again look to trading down under pick 10 with Joel Harrison another academy product ranked aring there. Swans may also hold two or 3 of Freo's 1st rounders after a McDondald trade potentially.

The Suns again will look to trading their 1st with Leonardo Lombard another gun mid from their academy falling later in the top 10.

So if we do end up with pick 1 unless a standout player emerges we will have plenty of options to trade down to land a Jagga Smith top 4 mid still available.

 

[RookiePick]

That can’t be right! DS said Sheldrick was like a stud bull we couldn’t pass up on, how come he can’t get a game……………..hang on does this mean DS is FOS?

Fart Only Smeller?

 

[FKASC]

Leonardo Lombard another gun mid from their academy falling later in the top 10.

Raphael Clarke likes this

 

[RanaNaved]

Heads up a thread worth keep track of in the Draft and Trades folder.

Davo-27s 2024 Draft thread page 1.

Decent summay out to pick 50.

Top 5 pretty standard across other predictions.

If we do have pick 1 is there a Harley Ried standout to pick?

Richmond have a mountain of picks and their likely 1st will be 3 to 6. Jagga Smith / Josh Smillie.

Swans will again look to trading down under pick 10 with Joel Harrison another academy product ranked aring there. Swans may also hold two or 3 of Freo's 1st rounders after a McDondald trade potentially.

The Suns again will look to trading their 1st with Leonardo Lombard another gun mid from their academy falling later in the top 10.

So if we do end up with pick 1 unless a standout player emerges we will have plenty of options to trade down to land a Jagga Smith top 4 mid still available.

Yeah I'm thinking this could be a great year to split pick 1 or 2.

Like you say at this (admittedly very early) stage there is no Reid/Ashcroft/Daicos standout, but a group of 4-6 potentially who are hard to seperate.

Also, going off the Nisbett interview with Duff, there appears to be a definite softening of the 'no handouts' stance they once had. If WC have another year like the last two, we'll be getting something from the AFL for sure.

 

[Obeanie1]

Draft Expert - Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

September Top 60 1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm 2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm 3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm 4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm 5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm 6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm 7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm 8. Tobie...

www.bigfooty.com

Updated Ranking
1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
5. Tyler Welsh - WWT 191cm(Adle FS) - shortish KPF, great work rate and speed for a KPF, movement is fantastic and a good goal kicker
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
8. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel 182cm - dominant quality mid at u16s, was solid this year at the u18s and was MVP in the sanfl u18s this year
9. Nash King - Calder 181cm - tough quality midfielder, was ok at u16s but his CTL form and VM form this year confirmed his highish rating going into 2024
10. Joe Harrison - Syd A 187cm - only seen a small sample, but he looks quality, had a big game for NSW
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
13. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo/NSW 192cm - another shortish KPP, good contested mark, very impressive for Bendigo/NSW
14. Christian Moraes - Eastern 182cm - was decent at the u16s champs, but his year this year was top knotch for VM and during the finals
15. Harry O'Farrell - Calder 196cm - a KPD that has improved and caught my eye in a couple of rep games, also has the height to possibly go high in the draft
16. Jonty Faull - GWV 194cm - a KPF who improved dramatically this year and again could rise in rankings based on late season form
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
18. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth 198cm - a ruck who was very good in most aspects for WA at the u16s, in a strong WA Team and looking good in the wafl colts after a growth spurt
19. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel 174cm (Port NGA) - very similar player to Ky Pickett, had a fantastic 2022, but not so great 2023, hoping he can find his form and confidence
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
22. Jayden Nguyen - Calder 177cm (Ess NGA) - speedy clever winger who can accumulate, was good at the u16s and this year had a few big games
23. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh 186cm - really impressed with calmness and quality for VM this year, could be a first rounder if he keeps fit
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
26. Kade Herbert - WWT 183cm - had a good u18s series which i think increased his value, some have him higher, but i have him here for now
27. Caleb Nancarrow - GCS A/Oak 191cm - another shortish KPP, but has hops in his legs, hangs in the air like M.Jordan lol very athletic
28. Otis Harvey - Swan Dist 182cm - one of the better WA players, good mid and continued form in 2023
29. Isaac Kako - Calder 175cm (Ess NGA) - quality small forward, good on a lead and crumbing goals, not sure on defensive game?
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC

Red are FS or academy kids.

 

[Doashuey]

Draft Expert - Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

September Top 60 1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm 2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm 3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm 4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm 5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm 6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm 7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm 8. Tobie...

www.bigfooty.com

Updated Ranking
1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
5. Tyler Welsh - WWT 191cm(Adle FS) - shortish KPF, great work rate and speed for a KPF, movement is fantastic and a good goal kicker
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
8. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel 182cm - dominant quality mid at u16s, was solid this year at the u18s and was MVP in the sanfl u18s this year
9. Nash King - Calder 181cm - tough quality midfielder, was ok at u16s but his CTL form and VM form this year confirmed his highish rating going into 2024
10. Joe Harrison - Syd A 187cm - only seen a small sample, but he looks quality, had a big game for NSW
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
13. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo/NSW 192cm - another shortish KPP, good contested mark, very impressive for Bendigo/NSW
14. Christian Moraes - Eastern 182cm - was decent at the u16s champs, but his year this year was top knotch for VM and during the finals
15. Harry O'Farrell - Calder 196cm - a KPD that has improved and caught my eye in a couple of rep games, also has the height to possibly go high in the draft
16. Jonty Faull - GWV 194cm - a KPF who improved dramatically this year and again could rise in rankings based on late season form
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
18. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth 198cm - a ruck who was very good in most aspects for WA at the u16s, in a strong WA Team and looking good in the wafl colts after a growth spurt
19. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel 174cm (Port NGA) - very similar player to Ky Pickett, had a fantastic 2022, but not so great 2023, hoping he can find his form and confidence
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
22. Jayden Nguyen - Calder 177cm (Ess NGA) - speedy clever winger who can accumulate, was good at the u16s and this year had a few big games
23. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh 186cm - really impressed with calmness and quality for VM this year, could be a first rounder if he keeps fit
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
26. Kade Herbert - WWT 183cm - had a good u18s series which i think increased his value, some have him higher, but i have him here for now
27. Caleb Nancarrow - GCS A/Oak 191cm - another shortish KPP, but has hops in his legs, hangs in the air like M.Jordan lol very athletic
28. Otis Harvey - Swan Dist 182cm - one of the better WA players, good mid and continued form in 2023
29. Isaac Kako - Calder 175cm (Ess NGA) - quality small forward, good on a lead and crumbing goals, not sure on defensive game?
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC

Red are FS or academy kids.

So 10 of the top 30 are likely to be off the table? And then there will be compo picks and perhaps a priority pick. So 1st pick on Night 2 is likely to be in the 30s again.
Admittedly the top 30 will change dramatically by November but what a farce the draft has become.

 

[ziad]

Draft Expert - Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

September Top 60 1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm 2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm 3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm 4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm 5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm 6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm 7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm 8. Tobie...

www.bigfooty.com

Updated Ranking
1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
5. Tyler Welsh - WWT 191cm(Adle FS) - shortish KPF, great work rate and speed for a KPF, movement is fantastic and a good goal kicker
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
8. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel 182cm - dominant quality mid at u16s, was solid this year at the u18s and was MVP in the sanfl u18s this year
9. Nash King - Calder 181cm - tough quality midfielder, was ok at u16s but his CTL form and VM form this year confirmed his highish rating going into 2024
10. Joe Harrison - Syd A 187cm - only seen a small sample, but he looks quality, had a big game for NSW
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
13. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo/NSW 192cm - another shortish KPP, good contested mark, very impressive for Bendigo/NSW
14. Christian Moraes - Eastern 182cm - was decent at the u16s champs, but his year this year was top knotch for VM and during the finals
15. Harry O'Farrell - Calder 196cm - a KPD that has improved and caught my eye in a couple of rep games, also has the height to possibly go high in the draft
16. Jonty Faull - GWV 194cm - a KPF who improved dramatically this year and again could rise in rankings based on late season form
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
18. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth 198cm - a ruck who was very good in most aspects for WA at the u16s, in a strong WA Team and looking good in the wafl colts after a growth spurt
19. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel 174cm (Port NGA) - very similar player to Ky Pickett, had a fantastic 2022, but not so great 2023, hoping he can find his form and confidence
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
22. Jayden Nguyen - Calder 177cm (Ess NGA) - speedy clever winger who can accumulate, was good at the u16s and this year had a few big games
23. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh 186cm - really impressed with calmness and quality for VM this year, could be a first rounder if he keeps fit
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
26. Kade Herbert - WWT 183cm - had a good u18s series which i think increased his value, some have him higher, but i have him here for now
27. Caleb Nancarrow - GCS A/Oak 191cm - another shortish KPP, but has hops in his legs, hangs in the air like M.Jordan lol very athletic
28. Otis Harvey - Swan Dist 182cm - one of the better WA players, good mid and continued form in 2023
29. Isaac Kako - Calder 175cm (Ess NGA) - quality small forward, good on a lead and crumbing goals, not sure on defensive game?
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC

Red are FS or academy kids.

If this stacks up I hope we aren't focusing on the best WA kids

 

[Doashuey]

If this stacks up I hope we art focusing on the best WA kids

Are or aren't? Typo makes it hard to tell if you are being serious or facetious. Based on the fact that there is only 1 WA prospect rated in the top 30 and he is a ruck.
How far has WA footy fallen?

 

[mattyc75]

So 10 of the top 30 are likely to be off the table? And then there will be compo picks and perhaps a priority pick. So 1st pick on Night 2 is likely to be in the 30s again.
Admittedly the top 30 will change dramatically by November but what a farce the draft has become.

I could see us splitting for someone like Smith and gerryn

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[Obeanie1]

Yeah I'm thinking this could be a great year to split pick 1 or 2.

Like you say at this (admittedly very early) stage there is no Reid/Ashcroft/Daicos standout, but a group of 4-6 potentially who are hard to seperate.

Also, going off the Nisbett interview with Duff, there appears to be a definite softening of the 'no handouts' stance they once had. If WC have another year like the last two, we'll be getting something from the AFL for sure.

And we should be softening our stance. Are we getting any plaudits for not getting a single handout or compo pick or even a father son for how long?

Two years our 2nd round pick downgraded by 8 to 10 spots as the AFL look after all the other struggling clubs? Like the grand finalists.

We should at a minimum be given some later picks, a 2nd and a 3rd round to trade for players and a couple of extra rookie spots. Not asking much when in reality we have already given up those picks value accomodating other clubs who have been deemed more in need of support than us. Like the Swans, Pies, Lions and Dogs who have stacked up with priority access to players.