Opinion Commentary & Media VIII

[The Brady Bunch]

Thats not what the voice to parliament was about. People believed on false pretence it was about money, it really wasnt though. Perhaps if it wasnt filled with misinformation, it may have gone the other way

I keep reading on Facebook that the referendum was all about Uncle Colin and the Welcome to Country ceremonies.

It's quite possible that with modern misinformation techniques, the 1967 referendum to acknowledge indigenous people and count them within the population as human beings rather than fauna could have been defeated. Many people would have been conned (or would have conned themselves) into believing that they were voting to give their homes to indigenous people.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I keep reading on Facebook that the referendum was all about Uncle Colin and the Welcome to Country ceremonies.

It's quite possible that with modern misinformation techniques, the 1967 referendum to acknowledge indigenous people and count them within the population as human beings rather than fauna could have been defeated. Many people would have been conned (or would have conned themselves) into believing that they were voting to give their homes to indigenous people.

You should really stop doing that. For your own sanity at least.

 

[big_e]

Once people caught wind that this was about Truth Telling and Treaty it predictably failed. And if you don't believe this was the case then read up what a Makarrata is for and go back and listen to Albanese's speech on election night. It was a Trojan horse.

Yeah, man, it sucks that people would actually find out the truth.

FMD.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Maybe have a look at standards from the times. They were not as clear cut as you assume.

As a sidenote, I was looking for something dumb to watch on TV earlier this week and landed on the 80s movie Teen Wolf. I'd probably watched this thing about 100 times back in the day as one of my first jobs was working in a video cassette duplication facility.

Anyhow, a key moment in the movie is when Michael J Fox is trying to confess his newly discovered werewolf status to his best friend. He's hemming and hawing about going through changes and his friend says, "Don't tell me you're a ***, I couldn't cope!" And in response, Michael J Fox says, "No, I'm not a ***!" with the last word dripping in pejorative tone.

The point is, we were all like that back then, all homophobic because none of us had ever met anyone openly gay. It wasn't until a couple of years later that I met and worked with gay people and realised how shitty homophobia is. Do we get a hall pass for that and does this movie get a pass for just reflecting the views of most people? I think not, we have to see that homophobia is shitty now and it always was. We've just become better people.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Once people caught wind that this was about Truth Telling and Treaty it predictably failed. And if you don't believe this was the case then read up what a Makarrata is for and go back and listen to Albanese's speech on election night. It was a Trojan horse.

Good for you for looking into the issues and arriving at your own conclusions, that's completely valid. However, I don't believe that all that many people did any sort of research of their own or considered the matter as carefully as you did before voting NO.

After all, the major campaign slogan was, "If you don't know, vote NO!"

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Good for you for looking into the issues and arriving at your own conclusions, that's completely valid. However, I don't believe that all that many people did any sort of research of their own or considered the matter as carefully as you did before voting NO.

After all, the major campaign slogan was, "If you don't know, vote NO!"

Yeah, that was a crap slogan tailored to the simpletons who didn't want to spend any of their time investigating the issue. But it worked i guess.

 

[DuckYeah]

Once people caught wind that this was about Truth Telling and Treaty it predictably failed. And if you don't believe this was the case then read up what a Makarrata is for and go back and listen to Albanese's speech on election night. It was a Trojan horse.

Its been flogged to death and the PeOpLe HavE SpoKeN..

But I simply do not agree with that. They would need a majority in the senate to be able to take control and that simply wouldn’t happen. And as if they will EVER get a majority in the upper house.

Its not as simple as “its a trojen horse”. Anyway. We move on.

 

[toepoker]

It's one thing to judge historical figures by contemporary standards, it's another thing entirely to commemorate them in landmark form. That's not that tough or controversial a distinction to draw, is it?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

It's one thing to judge historical figures by contemporary standards, it's another thing entirely to commemorate them in landmark form. That's not that tough or controversial a distinction to draw, is it?

There's going to be a heck of a lot of name changing going on if we go down that path. I'm tipping Melbourne might have said something derogatory or culturally sensitive by today's standards at some stage...

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Yeah, that was a crap slogan tailored to the simpletons who didn't want to spend any of their time investigating the issue. But it worked i guess.

Yes but it was also a foolishly complicated referendum question and an arguably poor solution to the heavily politicised issue of how to administer funding and services that we mostly agree are needed and necessary. If a referendum issue isn't self-evident and overwhelmingly supported, then only an idiot would spend political capital pursuing it.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

There's going to be a heck of a lot of name changing going on if we go down that path. I'm tipping Melbourne might have said something derogatory or culturally sensitive by today's standards at some stage...

But we can at least not name new things after deadshits.

 

[big_e]

There's going to be a heck of a lot of name changing going on if we go down that path. I'm tipping Melbourne might have said something derogatory or culturally sensitive by today's standards at some stage...

"it is irrefutable that Melbourne’s personal life was problematic. Spanking sessions with aristocratic ladies were harmless, not so the whippings administered to orphan girls taken into his household as objects of charity"

 

[The Brady Bunch]

I've never forgiven the founders for going with Melbourne instead of Batmania.

 

[ferball]

Well we can agree to disagree. The recent referendum suggests that the majority of Australian's believe that 40bil or thereabouts per year is more than enough.

Its a stolen ****en country.

40 bil (lol massive overestimate btw) is a bargain.

You should sign a treaty and pay a fair price for a place you can't even look after properly.

 

[ferball]

Once again, if you want to hold a guy who wrote things and had certain views way back in the 1840's to today's societal standards, I think that's very unfair.

That's unfair but stealing a continent isn't.

Better loosen up your purse strings tightarse.

 

[ferball]

Why do we hold people born 200 years ago to todays standards of morality?

**** me, the 80’s were a different time, how could we imagine what 200 years ago was like?

He was a massive piss head who ****ed up everything he tried to do. If only AA was a thing back then. All that racist bullshit was par for the course, then and now. (Seems there's a few on this thread would like to be able to say similar stuff but they're basically too gutless.)

Its no wonder politicians don't want to name a major new train station and urban development after him.

 

[ferball]

If you spotted a guy and his son bashing around in a tinny out the front, that was me!

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I didn't but it was a beautiful day for it.

 

[ferball]

Once people caught wind that this was about Truth Telling and Treaty it predictably failed. And if you don't believe this was the case then read up what a Makarrata is for and go back and listen to Albanese's speech on election night. It was a Trojan horse.

The Voice really shouldn't have happened until after a treaty cos without a treaty the Australian parliament has no legit authority, especially over indigenous people.

If you actually had some proper pride in your country and wanted it to do things right you'd know that and want to change it.

 

[ferball]

It's one thing to judge historical figures by contemporary standards, it's another thing entirely to commemorate them in landmark form. That's not that tough or controversial a distinction to draw, is it?

No ... this is about changing every name of everything in the country. If you think this about choosing not to name a new development after a hopeless case you've had your brain eaten by the woke mind virus.

 

[ferball]

"it is irrefutable that Melbourne’s personal life was problematic. Spanking sessions with aristocratic ladies were harmless, not so the whippings administered to orphan girls taken into his household as objects of charity"

So Melbourne' was one of those people those conspiracy theorists talk about?

 

[DrZaius]

No ... this is about changing every name of everything in the country. If you think this about choosing not to name a new development after a hopeless case you've had your brain eaten by the woke mind virus.

It's all deflection and shifting goalposts anyway mate, almost pointless to try and argue as even they don't truly know why they believe the things they do.

These people were just comfortable in the world they grew up in and now that they are old, stubborn, and set in their ways are shit scared of anything that challenges their internalised world view that everything revolves around the 20th century anglocentric ideals that were the norm in their formative years.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Ferball coming off a long run up...

 

[DuckYeah]

Ferball coming off a long run up...

Nah ya just pissing the bloke off and I think if this were a literal public place, you’d probably cop one or two to be perfectly honest

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I’m a relatively new Victorian and I always assumed the street and therefore the ground was named for some romantic association with Shakespeare and the Forest of Arden. I’m really sorry to have found out the truth.

It is an interesting philosophical question, though - the original unpleasant Arden is (despite having stuff named after him) long forgotten, and 99.9% of people would assume the station was being named for being near the home ground of the football club and associate it positively with the NMFC alone.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Nah ya just pissing the bloke off and I think if this were a literal public place, you’d probably cop one or two to be perfectly honest

Cool story bro