List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[jc37]

I am glad Port pulled out.

We are paying far too much for a 28 year old and are still going to likely have to trade into 2025 draft to get McGuane.

Richards to me is a F2 2nd rounders in the current system get dragged back but in the new system will likely be dragged forward particuarly if GC use 3 1sts to get their academy player.

13 and 29 for Noble and our F1 and 51/52

If North get 13.
25 and 29 for Noble and our F2.

Then if Hine sees someone he wants trade into draft with our F1.

Given GC are giving 6 and 23 for rioli they should really provide them later picks to meet Lombard.

The way PA and GC have acted I hope we score King and Butters as free agents in 2026

 

[swoop42]

The way I see it only PA and GC can make the deal work from here. Only two probable options that make it possible is that GC relent and give 23 instead of 29 or they allow Port to retain 39 as payment for them handing over a F1 for Lukosius. Whether Atkins is still then involved I do not know but I"d be willing to forgo 58 to GC to make any deal happen. That's all he's worth anyway.

They need to make up minds by tomorrow.

If no deal is still struck we need to decide whether we value 13 or extracting best value for Noble more and we hold our F1.

I say this as it would seem we are only in the running for 13 if we provide our F1 and Noble for it. We receive nothing else back. I hope I'm wrong. Perhaps we receive 29 if we hand over 36.

So do you do that or do you retain F1 and 36 and give GC an ultimatum of 23 for Noble or 29 and 41?

For me this might be the better outcome and could still leave us with the capital to land Houston if Port are prepared to wait 12 months to put that 1st round pick to work.

 

[The Phantom]

The clubs can still work with salary cap space as an option.

GC contribute say $100k of Luko salary, where we contribute say $50k of Nobles salary. Type of thing.

Not saying we should. Just that it’s the only other way we contribute.

 

[swoop42]

The more I think about it would actually provide PA with a better return by separating the deals. As of now we were only going to be left with 3 picks in the 50's so we trade PA F1, 29, 36, Richards for 58. Sure they haven't got 13 but they've got the F1 and have retained 39. That's better than the current deal. If we land 23 for Noble it improves it again and perhaps we get 39. If we got 29 and 41 we keep 41 and it improves our hand over our current standing. Port are now free to make a better deal on Lukosius. Honestly Port need to forget 13 and if we're prepared to end up in the exact place we are now with potential for better we do to. GC are playing everyone for fools! Wake up Port. Wake up Leppa.

 

[Quicky]

Here's an Age article about Port declining the latest offer:

Blockbuster Houston trade falls over, for now, after Power pull out

After a shock twist on Monday night, the Dan Houston to Collingwood trade is in serious jeopardy.

www.theage.com.au

 

[upnsmoke]

Yeah, I don't blame Port backing out until they get a better second pick...

Richmond is getting pick 6 and 23 for Rioli, when they don't really have better offers.

Richmond trying to fleece Hardwick, or Hardwick giving Richmond extra sweetener.

Should be Pick 6 for Rioli, and for goodwill give them a future second.

Port should be getting pick 23 and keep their 58.... Pies keeps pick 36.

 

[Hardas]

Here's an Age article about Port declining the latest offer:

Blockbuster Houston trade falls over, for now, after Power pull out

After a shock twist on Monday night, the Dan Houston to Collingwood trade is in serious jeopardy.

www.theage.com.au

I wonder exactly what Port want beyond what's on the table.
2 best 23 players & a depth player; as well as first & second round picks...

 

[Quicky]

I wonder exactly what Port want beyond what's on the table.
2 best 23 players & a depth player; as well as first & second round picks...

At a guess, to save face with their membership. To appear to have played hard ball and gotten the best they can. It may end up with some slightly improved picks.

 

[barrackers]

Collingwood out: Noble, Richards
Collingwood in: #39, F2 (Port)

Port out: #39, F2
Port in Lukosius, Richards

Gold Coast out: Lukosius
Gold Coast in: Noble

No point us tying the Noble and Richards trades together if Houston isn’t included.

Coll Noble for GC 29

Coll Richards for PA 39 or future 2nd

 

[swoop42]

If GC allow Port to retain 39 in the proposed deal I see it then breaking down as this:

CW F1, Noble for 13 traded to PA. Seems like a fair deal for GC and a higher price than we would have liked to get 13 for PA. Neither should complain.
2nd round selection 36 traded to PA. Fair.
Richards traded to PA for discount price of 3rd round selection 58. Can't complain.
PA F1 traded for Lukosius, 29. Given he's a player being paid a million a year for a coach who thinks he's disposal it's probably closer to the money than GC would like to admit publicly. Open to debate but reasonable to some.
That leaves Atkins as the only layer of the deal the 2 teams still need to negotiate on. Do Port bypass on him or do they offer up something in trade that's of less value than the pick 39 currently being charged? A F3 is about his maximum worth.
So as you can see Port retaining 39 suddenly changes the dynamic of the deal and evens up the balance that is to heavily in favour of GC at present IMO.
If GC disagree to the above I seriously believe CW and PA should consider the other alternative I floated which bypasses the need to deal with them on 13. That could leave Port with a F1, 29, 36, 39, Richards for 58 with a deal for Lukosius yet to take place. It's better than what's currently being presented by GC. We would be in the same position as now with 3 50's pick but with Houston on the hook and a chance to gain something extra if we can get more than 29 for Noble.
Port are then obviously free to explore what they can get in this years draft for our F1 whilst retaining that extra late 2nd gives them more currency to improve their hand even more. PA and CW have wasted to much time haggling with GC when something easier to obtain and possibly better is staring them in the face.

 

[JLC]

No point us tying the Noble and Richards trades together if Houston isn’t included.

Coll Noble for GC 29

Coll Richards for PA 39 or future 2nd

That's pretty average.

 

[upnsmoke]

No point us tying the Noble and Richards trades together if Houston isn’t included.

Coll Noble for GC 29

Coll Richards for PA 39 or future 2nd

Doesn't help 2025 chance

 

[Matt_352]

Collingwood out: Noble, Richards
Collingwood in: #39, F2 (Port)

Port out: #39, F2
Port in Lukosius, Richards

Gold Coast out: Lukosius
Gold Coast in: Noble

You forgot Houston DH

 

[upnsmoke]

You forgot Houston DH

I don't think he forgot...

He assumes Pies will let 2 best 25 players who will play games go... for 18 year olds who won't play until 2027 if they're lucky or good.

 

[Matt_352]

I don't think he forgot...

He assumes Pies will let 2 best 25 players who will play games go... for 18 year olds who won't play until 2027 if they're lucky or good.

Oh I know that hence the DH.

 

[barrackers]

Looking at the Power board and Suns board, they are both united in their belief that we are not giving up enough in the 3-way deal.
Whether all of us on here think we are, they do not

The way I see it Noble is worth a pick in the 20s & Richards one in the 30s. Essentially we’re trading a future first and 3x second round picks (Noble, Richards, 36) for Houston and a third round pick (58). That’s more than enough.

Port’s issue should be with handing over a future 1st & 39 for Lukosius, Atkins and $2 mill of salary.


Edit: while we shouldn’t need to give more I’d be ok with 58 going to GC and PA retaining 39 to get this across the line.

 

[VinnieB]

That’s the worst deal I’ve seen
The eagles can trade any future pick they get for Barrass for Baker
That’s ugly as

Bloos pretty much traded pick 12, next year’s 1st + 2nd, just to pick up another ‘Paddy Dow’.

Now we should see if Freo are interested in trading pick 11 for our F1

 

[upnsmoke]

The way I see it Noble is worth a pick in the 20s & Richards one in the 30s. Essentially we’re trading a future first and 3x second round picks (Noble, Richards, 36) for Houston and a third round pick. That’s more than enough.

Port’s issue should be with handing over a future 1st & 39 for Lukosius, Atkins and $2 mill of salary.

Yes, Port is getting rimmed... if you consider salary they're taking back.

While Richmond enjoy their time drinking champagne by the pool.. because Suns are giving them extra stuff for nothing.

Lukosius contract is top 10 worst contracts in the league because he is being paid like a young star but he isn't one. Port taking him on should be a favor for Suns so Suns should be giving Port more.

 

[JLC]

The big winners seem to be Gold Coast. They manage to offload 2 players Hardwick isn't keen on keeping on - they then get a player in Noble that they want and will be cheap as chips in terms of contract, They have enough points for Lombard.

Imo it should be the Suns giving Port a first rounder plus Luko and Atkins Port give a second in return. Port taking Atkins is purely a favour by Port,

Shame Port were not that dumb when we were salary cap dumping,

 

[barrackers]

That's pretty average.

Doesn't help 2025 chance

True, and I hope we don’t trade Noble without a replacement of at least equal talent coming into that role (additional to Perryman). That said it’s better to separate Noble/Richards than consider the 3-way proposed by the port fan that valued Noble as a pick in the 30s.

 

[barrackers]

Shame Port were not that dumb when we were salary cap dumping

A future first for Grundy and his full contract would have been a remarkable outcome.

 

[LuckyLee]

No Houston = Noble stays without doubt.
Looking at the Power board and Suns board, they are both united in their belief that we are not giving up enough in the 3-way deal.
Whether all of us on here think we are, they do not.

They would think that when one of them is paying massive overs for Rioli and the other is paying massive overs for Lukosius. They want us to pay overs for Houston too.


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[barrackers]

Yes, Port is getting rimmed... if you consider salary they're taking back.

While Richmond enjoy their time drinking champagne by the pool.. because Suns are giving them extra stuff for nothing.

Lukosius contract is top 10 worst contracts in the league because he is being paid like a young star but he isn't one. Port taking him on should be a favor for Suns so Suns should be giving Port more.

Lukosius for a future first was the talk from day one and we lost interest once it was clear the sun’s weren’t picking up any of the tab. 39 for Atkins is also overs.

 

[upnsmoke]

Pies should return Port pick 58, then tell Suns to also give Port incentive.... or Noble stays in Victoria. Pies should keep 36 though.

 

[jimmy35]

Ports nuts have dropped overnight. Congrats to them.
It’ll sill get done but they need a face saver somewhere.