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Off-field stuff aka gossip, shite, trash, muck, scuttlebutt, scandal, dirty laundry, hearsay etc etc
I don't think she is that bad - and I further think her good outweighs her bad. She has shone in a male-dominated industry. Don't have to like her but she deserves a bit of admiration.
 
If Simon Buckley and the Player Profile are to believed (and we'll probably never know tbh), then it's not fair for HL to damn the use of a nickname that he was seemingly on board with, and perhaps even requesting, since he'd be perpetuating it himself at that point. I mean, say you're a new player at the club and you see a bunch of senior players calling him "chimp" and HL reacting positively to it, what are you supposed to do? Not call him that?

Not to defend the use of "chimp" though. Someone, at some level, should have heard it being said, and put a stop to it. I guess that's HL's point though. The club was an environment where that was allowed to happen, and perhaps he felt like he had to go along with it to be accepted.

To ignore that his team mates stopped calling him that when he asked is a bit unfair though. That and the fact that he continues to hurl every bit of dirt he can find at club, even if it doesn't relate to racism/Do Better makes me think he's not acting in good faith.
 

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Caro is all over everything Collingwood - surprise surprise - stand by for more explicit and explosive allegations -

Ms Wilson ... any chance that just once you could write an article on football? - eg an analysis of which team does centre square clearances or stoppages the best ... instead of all this peripheral shite you revel in

But that’s Caro’s role?

Expecting her to comment on gameplay would be like expecting Jack Ginnivan to play ruck.

Caro makes no pretense that her role anything other than to follow the admin side of the game. That’s what she’s employed to do. For people who have zero interest in the admin side of the game, then don’t pay any attention to Caro. Just as you’d pay zero attention to AFLW pundits if you had zero interest in AFLW
 
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Pity she doesn't get called out for it - she's what's known as a muck racker

The reason she doesn’t get called out for it is that she makes no claims about it *

You could call me out for not being the gun CHF Collingwood are craving and I wouldn’t dispute that.

* Actually, I reckon Caro would have a decent understanding of the game, you can’t spend that amount of time around the game and not. But it’s not what she’a employed to do and she’s wise enough to stay away from it.
 
I don't think she is that bad - and I further think her good outweighs her bad. She has shone in a male-dominated industry. Don't have to like her but she deserves a bit of admiration.
She is not that bad , but let’s say a little selective and compromised with what she chooses to go with , when her beloved Richmond recruited Ben Cousins after all his “ party” ways and unsavoury happenings with his then partner “ oh this is wonderful, everyone deserves a chance at redemption ( which is spot on ). he will be given all the support to turn his life around “ etc etc. Enter Jordan DeGoey. I will leave it there
 
Off-field stuff aka gossip, shite, trash, muck, scuttlebutt, scandal, dirty laundry, hearsay etc etc

You don’t think off-field stuff has any effect on onfield stuff? You reckon we should have all just tuned to the footy last Saturday night and been shocked to see West Coast getting thumped?

As always with these off-field journo’s, we tolerate them when they’re reporting about another team, we enjoy the guilty pleasure when they’re reporting news or positive things about our team …

… but we become mother bear when they deign to say anything negative about our own team.
 
She is not that bad , but let’s say a little selective and compromised with what she chooses to go with , when her beloved Richmond recruited Ben Cousins after all his “ party” ways and unsavoury happenings with his then partner “ oh this is wonderful, everyone deserves a chance at redemption ( which is spot on ). he will be given all the support to turn his life around “ etc etc. Enter Jordan DeGoey. I will leave it there
Guess they have to be a little selective in a way - curry favor with sources (see what I did there?), etc. And anything Collingwood is also big news.

I don't reckon Caro went easy on Cousins whilst at Richmond.

 
Which is great. But to accept and explain your own participation in the behaviour and not that of others, isn't so great.

When it comes to names though, context is everything and we really don't know the context in this situation - When Nick Giannopolous and his mates called themselves Wogs out of Work - it was with pride that made Australia a better place. As it is for some who now call themselves Wog. Who knows what the story was when HL and others called him chimp: HL's current perspective doesn't seem too reliable and noone else will speak about it, because any context will be ignored, as we search for black and white, and they'll get absolutely smashed in the press and social media.

You are all looking at if from YOUR point of view not HL's,
 
Guess they have to be a little selective in a way - curry favor with sources (see what I did there?), etc. And anything Collingwood is also big news.

I don't reckon Caro went easy on Cousins whilst at Richmond.


Now that I saw 😜
 

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The reason she doesn’t get called out for it is that she makes no claims about it *

You could call me out for not being the gun CHF Collingwood are craving and I wouldn’t dispute that.

* Actually, I reckon Caro would have a decent understanding of the game, you can’t spend that amount of time around the game and not. But it’s not what she’a employed to do and she’s wise enough to stay away from it.
If Caro lived in the UK she'd go well in Fleet St writing about the Royal Family but having no idea about government
 
I once asked her that very question at a footy club function. She basically said there are enough journos out there better equipped to write on the game. And she is better equipped to write about the off-field stuff. Which kind of makes sense. I admired the way she answered the question which conveyed that I was a fool for asking such an elementary question with such an obvious answer.

I asked Caro that too at a function. And about why she focusses on Collingwood. My giant shoulder chip was showing.

TBH there’s a role for her kind of football journalism, and I don’t have a problem with it. But I’m not sure she’s always balanced, and her prejudices come through. Richmond hardly ever have the blow torch applied. But then I’ll never forget the way she went after Hird during the Essendon supplements saga. She did us all a favour with that.
 
I asked Caro that too at a function. And about why she focusses on Collingwood. My giant shoulder chip was showing.

TBH there’s a role for her kind of football journalism, and I don’t have a problem with it. But I’m not sure she’s always balanced, and her prejudices come through. Richmond hardly ever have the blow torch applied. But then I’ll never forget the way she went after Hird during the Essendon supplements saga. She did us all a favour with that.
What was her answer? Did she come at you like a spider monkey?
 
You are all looking at if from YOUR point of view not HL's,

I'd suggest you're viewing him as victim and thus others villains - and only looking at it through that lense.

I understand why he may have used the name for the reasons you're suggesting. What you're missing is that the concept of altering behavious due to wanting to fit in is much broader than race and thus isn't only understood and been lived by those with a different racial background. But actions aren't white washed just because someone may have done them because they wanted to fit in.

If we're assuming the use of his name was outrageous and HL participated and encouraged it - for whatever reason- his encouragement is almost certainly central to making the name more widespread - if "Chimp" made the club less inclusive for all others of colour - he played an understandable and forgivable, but major part in that. If the name was really vile, but teammates and managers thought the name was OK, as HL appeared to be a consenting adult - that is also understandable and forgivable. And it's well past time to move on.
 
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No, she was fine. It was at the height of her Dane Swan obsession too. She of course denied that she focused on the Pies.
She got annoyed when Swan said he'd never met her. He should have said "I did meet her once but I quickly forgot all about her for some reason".
 
No, she was fine. It was at the height of her Dane Swan obsession too. She of course denied that she focused on the Pies.
I guess all that tells us is that she gets asked the same question by a bunch of Collingwood supporters. I don't envy journos but they must love it - the idea of writing something crappy about players every day just seems like a chore to me. Wait, what?
 
Go ask anyone who grew up as a minority. I think most would have a similar story.
I know, and I know you mean well. But it’s the same circular reasoning used by religion, spiritual mediums and cult leaders. Accept no responsibility and turn the question back on the enquirer.

“Why can’t I feel the presence of God?”
“Because you have hardened your heart”

“Why can’t I see ghosts?”
“Because you are not open to the spiritual world, you need to embrace other possibilities.”

“Why are these teachings contradictory?”
“They seem that way because you are plagued by supressive thoughts, you need to look further within yourself/have more indoctrination.”

“Why is this person’s behaviour completely irrational/duplicitous/disingenuous?”
“Because he’s part of a minority so it is impossible for you to understand.”

The problem is that the logical response to being told “you’ll never understand”, if you believe the speaker, is to say “oh ok I won’t bother then”.
 
I know, and I know you mean well. But it’s the same circular reasoning used by religion, spiritual mediums and cult leaders. Accept no responsibility and turn the question back on the enquirer.

“Why can’t I feel the presence of God?”
“Because you have hardened your heart”

“Why can’t I see ghosts?”
“Because you are not open to the spiritual world, you need to embrace other possibilities.”

“Why are these teachings contradictory?”
“They seem that way because you are plagued by supressive thoughts, you need to look further within yourself/have more indoctrination.”

“Why is this person’s behaviour completely irrational/duplicitous/disingenuous?”
“Because he’s part of a minority so it is impossible for you to understand.”

The problem is that the logical response to being told “you’ll never understand”, if you believe the speaker, is to say “oh ok I won’t bother then”.

There are aspects of culture and racism that I don't think the majority racial group can fully relate to - but not understanding the concept of behaving a certain way to try to fit in, which is what HeathComeBack is talking about? That crosses racial borders as easily as the concept of love and sex.
 
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There are aspects of culture racism that I don't think the majority can fully relate to - but not understanding the concept of behaving a certain way to try to fit in, which is what HeathComeBack is talking about? That crosses racial borders as easily as the concept of love and sex.

Absolutely!
 


I don’t think what she said was so unreasonable, although …

- She could have pointed out that very few people from that period are still at the club. So it’s not unreasonable that the club needs a day or two to investigate something like this.

- She was stirring the pot unnecessarily with her comment “this was around the time the AFLW started”. Lumumba left Collingwood over two years before the AFLW licences were granted.
 

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