Club Focus Collingwood 2024

[Ticky009]

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[Del28562]

Not sure why we’d be interested in Petracca.

We need to rebuild our list with youth. As great as Petracca is, he will be 29 years old before the start of next season and is on a massive contract with 5 years left.

Given his playing style I can’t see him maintaining his output until the end of that deal. Heck Dusty has only just turned 33 and he dropped off a cliff in terms of performance for the last couple of years.

Danger is still playing great footy

 

[Rusty Beam]

Danger is still playing great footy

You may disagree as a cats fan.

But I think most neutrals would agree that he’s nowhere near the player he was when he came across. Or even the same as he was a couple of years ago.

 

[sydney_gws]

Maybe Collingwood should trade 2025r1 for if possible 3 or 4 second rounders, like West Coast did with Gold Coast in 2017 I think.
That way it gets talent in the door this year.
It is dangerous, given the 3 pretty bad trades for future first they have done in last 6 years or so.

 

[Couch Coach]

Maybe Collingwood should trade 2025r1 for if possible 3 or 4 second rounders, like West Coast did with Gold Coast in 2017 I think.
That way it gets talent in the door this year.
It is dangerous, given the 3 pretty bad trades for future first they have done in last 6 years or so.

Possible but hard given the amount of Northern Academy, F&S and NGA players in this draft. The clubs linked to them will be trying to get similar picks for points value.

• Ashcroft Bris F&S say top 5
• Lombard GCS NA say top 10
• Kako Ess NGA say Top top 20
• B Camporeale Carl F&S say top 20
• Marshall Bris NA say 10-30
• Welsh Ade F&S say 10-30
• B Camporeale Carl F&S say 20-40

I would think if we went down this path it would be more likely to be live trading on draft day to maximise the value of any traded picks.

 

[adammania9]

You may disagree as a cats fan.

But I think most neutrals would agree that he’s nowhere near the player he was when he came across. Or even the same as he was a couple of years ago.

Dangerfield is 34. Petracca is 28.

Of course Dangerfield is not the same player as at his peak. His 2016-17 is one of the best two seasons ever played.

 

[Soups]

Maybe Collingwood should trade 2025r1 for if possible 3 or 4 second rounders, like West Coast did with Gold Coast in 2017 I think.
That way it gets talent in the door this year.
It is dangerous, given the 3 pretty bad trades for future first they have done in last 6 years or so.

We did tried that once and it didn’t work out for us at all. Trading future firsts should be banned for us.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Dangerfield is 34. Petracca is 28.

Of course Dangerfield is not the same player as at his peak. His 2016-17 is one of the best two seasons ever played.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Danger has dropped off in the last few years. Pretty much all elite midfielders over history have done the same at a similar age. A lot have also retired around then.

Petracca will be 29 by the start of next season. So unless he is the exception to history, IMO he’s likely to only have about three elite years left.

 

[sydney_gws]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Danger has dropped off in the last few years. Pretty much all elite midfielders over history have done the same at a similar age. A lot have also retired around then.

Petracca will be 29 by the start of next season. So unless he is the exception to history, IMO he’s likely to only have about three elite years left.

I agree as a midfielder. Perhaps more as a forward and he is I think a better forward than Dangerfield is.
There could well be a bit of a psychological scar there from his injury, hopefully not though.
I would expect him to wear some padding as well next year, that might slow him down a fraction.

 

[adammania9]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Danger has dropped off in the last few years. Pretty much all elite midfielders over history have done the same at a similar age. A lot have also retired around then.

Petracca will be 29 by the start of next season. So unless he is the exception to history, IMO he’s likely to only have about three elite years left.

Apologies. I misconstrued.

It's an interesting comparison - what would you have traded for a 28 year old Dangerfield at the end of 2018?

The best player in the game arguably in 2019, was a raging Brownlow favourite before Fyfe upset him.
Really strong again in 2020 with his last AA.

From 2021 onwards he's continued to be very good but has played 65/94 games.

 

[Del28562]

Mcguane will be rookie listed he's not a first rounder

 

[Soups]

Mcguane will be rookie listed he's not a first rounder

Yeah he’s shit.

 

[Del28562]

Yeah he’s shit.

Mate he looks good, but he's not quick and he's not a thumping kick and he's not big

 

[Rusty Beam]

Apologies. I misconstrued.

It's an interesting comparison - what would you have traded for a 28 year old Dangerfield at the end of 2018?

The best player in the game arguably in 2019, was a raging Brownlow favourite before Fyfe upset him.
Really strong again in 2020 with his last AA.

From 2021 onwards he's continued to be very good but has played 65/94 games.

Personally for someone of that age who a team will likely get less than 100 games from I couldn’t justify parting with more than a top 10 pick and a late first (or two seconds).

For me it’s too much an NBA approach. A Hail Mary at a premiership in a 1-2 year span. It rarely works out there with their tiny rosters, let alone in the AFL where you need 23 contributors to a flag.

If you are talking about a similarly elite star in the 20-25 age bracket that’s a different story all together as you have a longer period to build a premiership team around them.

 

[perplexed]

Do we need to talk about Justin Leppitsch

Justin Leppitsch

Age

49

Ht

191cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

1.0

3star

?

Brought in Harry Perryman

12

Harry Perryman

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

on enough to trigger Band 1 compo.
His thoughts on the value of Noble / Pick 13 / Houston are seriously nuts.
Could he be better utilised in a non-thinking role?

 

[jakson68]

Do we need to talk about Justin Leppitsch?

Brought in Harry Perryman on enough to trigger Band 1 compo.
His thoughts on the value of Noble / Pick 13 / Houston are seriously nuts.
Could he be better utilised in a non-thinking role?

My guess is we wait and see how it all unfolds.
You have to pay somehow. Either picks, players or cap space.
Perryman cost us cap space (which we have). Tick .
Noble and Houston is still to play out, so how about a learned fellow like yourself, reserve judgement until after trade period.

We have an F1, two fringe players and not much in the way of picks, so if you think you can do better deals, please send through your resume for perusal.

 

[Anzacday]

You are a delicate lot. Not sure I've ever been champed before. Thankyou.

Sorry mate.
Bit of an overreaction to a troll I would’ve thought.
PS: Leppa’s “request” is up there with Owies wanting $7-800k

 

[Pistol Night]

Do we need to talk about Justin Leppitsch?

Brought in Harry Perryman on enough to trigger Band 1 compo.
His thoughts on the value of Noble / Pick 13 / Houston are seriously nuts.
Could he be better utilised in a non-thinking role?

Clearly with Treloar and Grundy salary's nearly over we thought we could pay an extra 200-300k for someone to play for us

 

[perplexed]

Clearly with the Treloar and Grundy salary's nearly over we thought we could pay an extra 200-30k for someone to play for us

I'm sure you have the cap space, and Perryman is a solid player. But he would be your 10-15 best player and being payed like he is in the top 3 or 4. It's the type of thing we would do.

 

[Pistol Night]

I'm sure you have the cap space, and Perryman is a solid player. But he would be your 10-15 best player and being payed like he is in the top 3 or 4. It's the type of thing we would do.

No trade required so they obviously had to blow Ports offer away. If he plays solid midfield minutes at a high level we'll take it.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm sure you have the cap space, and Perryman is a solid player. But he would be your 10-15 best player and being payed like he is in the top 3 or 4. It's the type of thing we would do.

and How would he Effect his Teammates?

 

[perplexed]

and How would he Effect his Teammates?

I'm confused by both the question and your use of capitals.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm confused by both the question and your use of capitals.

With Perryman in the side playing a Defensive Role down back might allow IQ be more Offensive when he was at his best in 2023

Be good IQ to get back to that Form

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I'm sure you have the cap space, and Perryman is a solid player. But he would be your 10-15 best player and being payed like he is in the top 3 or 4. It's the type of thing we would do.

Didn't he finish top 10 in the GWS best and fairest 3 out of the last 5 years with a 3rd placed finish? Sound more like a player in the 5-10 bracket to me.

 

[perplexed]

With Perryman in the side playing a Defensive Role down back might allow IQ be more Offensive when he was at his best in 2023

Be good IQ to get back to that Form

He'll be good for you, no doubt. A decent upgrade on Noble. Just the price seems excessive.

 

[HBFlanker]

They are just about having a laugh now, the pies.

How many 30+ year olds do you want to bring in at once?

I love the enthusiasm.