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Cloke to Carlton - welcome mat is out.
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He can **** off.
Not worth that...
He was more of a Carlton player on Friday night than if he was playing in your colours
Not worth that...
He was more of a Carlton player on Friday night than if he was playing in your colours
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What I want to know is how can Carlton possibly fit him in the salary c.... oh wait.
JuddsABlue
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majority of our list arent 'a graders' in comparison to the league so we probably are paying unders for them
Simpson, Scotland, Robinson, Carazzo and Jameson for example. These players are the core of our lineup but probably cant demand too high of a pay grade
Judd is also coming to the end of his contract that was pretty front ended
If this does nothing but stir the pot, I'm happy with it
Would also love him at the Blues obviously
If the pies can fit him in after signing Pendlebury, Swan, Thomas, Beams and who ever else thay have signed recently then pretty much anyone can fit him in can't they?
Pretty ironic that JuddsaBlue chips in for his bit of mischief making. After all Carlton are notorious for shady under the table deals to thwart the salary cap. And as for the deal to pay the Visy ambassador hundreds of thousands to do SFA. Say no more.
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Yes we are 'notorious' for it, despite being one of many clubs that are guilty of it.
It happens everywhere, including Carlton and if anything it ensures our future salary cap handling is spotless rather than increasing our chances of doing it again
Carlton havent paid Judd anything to do with Visy. That is Visys decision and I've seen Judd in several marketing campaigns over the years. You could argue whether or not what he gives to Visy is worth it, but that same argument could be said for Travis Cloke and his current Holden deal
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He's had one good season. Not worth a million a year.
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Going to laugh at whoever ends up paying him that much. May as well throw a million dollars down the drain
Eh - it's the new trend with stars of the game, isn't it? Going off and taking on a leadership role at a club and helping them rebuild. Makes me wonder who would most likely see a flag first - Ablett and the Gold Coast or Cloke and the Blues.
geez, better watch out Carlton....
Eddie will declare war on you and rush out to poach all of your outstanding talented 20-25 year old pl........er, never mind.
Eddie will declare war on you and rush out to poach all of your outstanding talented 20-25 year old pl........er, never mind.
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It would make for an interesting off season if Carlton managed to land Cloke and Malthouse.
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This is just another example of how free agency is being poorly introduced to the AFL.
The concept of free agency is that the player out of contract should be able to test the open market once his contract has expired to establish his value if he choses to by not extending his contract with his existing club. The trade off for him is he now enters an open market where chasing the top offer comes with the risk that these offers may not be forthcoming. He maybe left with settling for an offer less than what his original club offered.
This mid season, under contract, negotiation allows the player to establish his minimum contract value by courting offers from rival clubs (who could just make ridiculus offers to make it harder for the original club to sign him).
The current system sets the club trying to retain their soon to be out of contract players at a huge disadvantage.
The concept of free agency is that the player out of contract should be able to test the open market once his contract has expired to establish his value if he choses to by not extending his contract with his existing club. The trade off for him is he now enters an open market where chasing the top offer comes with the risk that these offers may not be forthcoming. He maybe left with settling for an offer less than what his original club offered.
This mid season, under contract, negotiation allows the player to establish his minimum contract value by courting offers from rival clubs (who could just make ridiculus offers to make it harder for the original club to sign him).
The current system sets the club trying to retain their soon to be out of contract players at a huge disadvantage.
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Hope he goes to Carlton.
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I am by no means a Carlton apologist but as a fan of Australian rules football, I'd love for Waite to stay uninjured for a prolonged period of time. A forward line with a key target combination of Waite and Cloke would be a mouth watering prospect for Blues fans.
Looks like a poison pill whoever ends up swallowing him.
Too much money, not enough performance.
Too much money, not enough performance.
Well, the original club could just call their bluff and say see you later. If another club wants to pay way over for a player, let them do that.
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Obviously they can't/won't fit him in because they can't come to an agreement. Beams hasn't signed yet either I believe plus they still have others like Wellingham or Sidebottom (can't remember which) out of contract don't they? Carlton are offering $1M per year different to Collingwood knocing back $3.6M over 4.
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If that's the case, they might as well re-name themselves 'Collingwood-lite'.
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Especially if Greg Swann continues his role as the CEO of Carlton.
Cloke wouldn't carry buddy's bag... But expects more
Money.... Who gives a crap about contested marks when you can't kick straight... I'd love to keep him but 1mill a season it's just a burden on your club...
Money.... Who gives a crap about contested marks when you can't kick straight... I'd love to keep him but 1mill a season it's just a burden on your club...
Brasher
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And that's the problem. Free agency isn't about clubs screwing each other out of salary cap space, it's about the market setting the value of a player.
Collingwood should be able to say to Cloke here is what we think you are worth....take it or leave it. Don't like it? Then go test free agency when your contract ends.
As it stands now he apparently has offers in his pocket better than what the Pies will offer but says he wants to stay at Collingwood, thereby using the other so called offers as leverage against the Pies to drive his price up. He shouldn't be able to have it both ways leaving his existing club with no bargaining power at all.
Isn't that exactly the point of restricted free agency? The original club can keep the player if they match the offer from other clubs.
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