Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

[ms finch]

confirming Troy was in shark bay when SS disappeared. wonder if he was confirmed as alibied for the nights of the other murders also? possibly so as to limit possible challenges against an old and degraded DNA sample by saying it was the brother to create doubt?

My initial thought was that they were doing that with the DNA, but when I heard the evidence about it, it seemed to me that the sample itself and how likely it was to be Bradley ruled out Troy anyway.

I do think they may have specifically ruled him out for Sarah, though, because they had no forensic evidence in that case. I don’t think they would have wanted the defence to be able to put forward a theory that Sarah was killed by someone else specifically; wanted to restrict them to arguing it was someone else generally.

Perhaps also they were looking to establish whether Bradley had access to other properties (ie where his brother lived) or if Troy could be used in any way to establish an alibi for Bradley.

 

[Deva]

what if there is no connection on the sandwich bag front to either wife besides the use of hair ties? maybe like a bunch of females ive lived with, they left hair ties all over the house. (wife 1 might of even had a stack on the study desk. surely she utilised a computer and the study given her work in the legal profession) when he had utilised a sandwich bag, a nearby hair tie could make an easy way to seal the bag. in this case he wouldnt of had a specific reason for using the hair ties besides convenience. for me the hair ties is a non event, its more that he wanted to use sandwich bags, and why hang on to them? where did he keep the sandwich bags before use, or did he constantly take a run to the kitchen cupboard? how did he manage to hide them after use from the wife and step daughter? did he 'hang on' to them in a sense of trying to hide them to dispose of them discreetly later and hide his fetish, or was it more a long term situation were they were hung on to for weeks/months?

He kept all of his toys, dress ups, computer and apparently the used bags safe and sound in his locked up garage. That’s where the cops found it all.

 

[BFew]

Perhaps also they were looking to establish whether Bradley had access to other properties (ie where his brother lived) or if Troy could be used in any way to establish an alibi for Bradley.

Very good point about the alibi process and which of BRE family and friends was living/staying where on those 3 murderous nights and the days thereafter, would have been crucial to the BRE alibi investigations, and for assisting his likely access to various family and friend properties on key dates and time periods.

I imagine of particular interest, would have been the identification of any BRE family, friends, lovers or even work colleagues whose properties he might have ever housesit or stayed at, or had access/keys to (legal or via a break-in), even for only one day/night, when, with his expertise at getting into small spaces, like a registered Telecom tech would likely have skills in doing, crawl under buildings, or into attics, or accessing wall cavities and patching them up afterwards to make it look like nothing had changed, he might of buried or hidden key CSK and other crimes evidence, in the process of any BRE evidence disposal (weapons, accessories, victims clothing or personal belongings on them at the time of the abductions).

With him having worked at Telecom/Telstra for all those decades, that would be an awful lot of Telstra customer sites to explore in looking for evidence.
Including any properties that he might have had access to, that were still under construction.

There's every chance that discovered evidence has already been found and disposed of by people that found old male or female clothes, or an old handbag, in their new homes, existing homes, or properties they were working in or working on.

 

[Likeamystery]

244 EB said she saw the accused three times after their separation. On one occasion he turned up at the shops while she was working at Bates Pets Paradise in Rockingham. She recalled he had a bank statement with him. On another occasion, while EB was living at Javanica Court, Warnbro the accused came to the house with some papers for her, she cannot recall what the papers were, and he stayed for 10 or 15 minutes. She noticed when she went outside to say goodbye to him that he was driving a white station wagon with a child seat in the back. She asked him about it and he said that he had met someone with a little girl. The third occasion she saw the accused was at a bank on the Rockingham foreshore. At this meeting the accused gave EB the papers for the Mazda vehicle she drove. She recalled that once the house was sold, the vehicle loan was paid out and the vehicle transferred into her name.84

The information above has been copied from within another thread. Post No. 19 thank you to Kurve
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Could BRE have periodically shopped at Rockingham to accidently bump into Wife No. 1. Any ideas why he might want to do that?

Back in 1997 I think DNA paternity testing was available. Though, once paternity was established it would set someone up for a lifetime of child maintenance payments. Therefore, if BRE had any queries about the baby's paternity he may have wanted to view for himself, and the only way would have been to accidently bump into Wife No. 1 whilst they were out shopping.

 

[ms finch]

With him having worked at Telecom/Telstra for all those decades, that would be an awful lot of Telstra customer sites to explore in looking for evidence.
Including any properties that he might have had access to, that were still under construction.

There's every chance that discovered evidence has already been found and disposed of by people that found old male or female clothes, or an old handbag, in their new homes, existing homes, or properties they were working in or working on.

Given they examined a Telstra connection right back when the disappearances happened, I would like to know if they searched any Telstra work sites. I don’t get the impression they did, and I have not been able to find any news articles from that time about a search of a location for unknown reasons that may have related to Telstra (although that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen; internet searching is limited). It would be a far more challenging thing to do now given a lot of those sites will now be completed with buildings on them.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

To help establish the Aboriginal identification in the Edward's family I am sharing this link I found a few weeks ago. Troy identifies as Whadjuk Noongar, hence Bradley would also as brothers. Public information so cannot see I am doing anything wrong with this post?

Our Board – MOSAC

mensoutreach.org.au

 

[BFew]

Given they examined a Telstra connection right back when the disappearances happened, I would like to know if they searched any Telstra work sites. I don’t get the impression they did, and I have not been able to find any news articles from that time about a search of a location for unknown reasons that may have related to Telstra (although that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen; internet searching is limited). It would be a far more challenging thing to do now given a lot of those sites will now be completed with buildings on them.

With the NBN resulting in many of the historical 5300 Telstra exchanges being decommissioned, and some sold off and demolished (work in progress), there's still an outside chance that useful BRE related crime evidence might be discovered in or under a WA Telstra exchange or in adjacent Telstra infrastructure, as more work is done on moving from copper to all fibre, and wireless linked by fibre, in Australia's telecommunications network.

Below articles show that the current and future ownership and management of Telstra's exchange assets/buildings, is not as straightforward as it used to be for all those decades.

Telstra to close up to 2500 telco exchanges, customers to shift to IP calling over the NBN

Details plans to convert them into distributed data centres.

www.crn.com.au

Nov 3 2017 ...The telco has a network of 5300 exchanges across the country, typically used to support traditional local telephone calls.

Telstra has detailed plans to close up to 2500 of its traditional telecommunications exchanges.

What is a POI? How and where your provider connects to the nbn™ network | nbn

www.nbnco.com.au

The nbn™ network has 121 Points of Interconnect (POIs), which are usually housed in select telephone exchange buildings.
POIs are where the RSP networks (networks built and operated by retail service providers) connect to the nbn™ network, which in turn connects to the end user.
An end user might click a link on their browser, sending data over their local (home) network to their router. The router passes the data on, eventually making its way on to the nbn™ network.
The nbn™ network takes it to the local exchange building (if the local exchange is part of the nbn™ network). Statistically speaking, this exchange will likely not house a POI. After all, there are over 1,000 exchanges involved with the nbn™ network and only 121 POIs.[/quote]

Telstra sells $700m stake in its exchanges to Charter Hall consortium

The telecommunications giant has sold a newly created trust containing some of its properties to a consortium of investors led by Charter Hall.

www.afr.com

Telstra has sold a $700 million stake in a newly created property trust to a consortium of investors led by ASX-listed fund manager Charter Hall.
The telecommunications giant will retain a 51 per cent stake in the property trust, which is valued at $1.43 billion and contains 37 of the telco's higher value exchange properties.

https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/about-us/investors/pdf%20F/2020-Telstra-Annual-Report.pdf

On 1 April 2020 we marked the first day of Telstra InfraCo’s new matrix operating model and structure, and from 1 July 2020 Telstra InfraCo took accountability for the new asset boundaries. Telstra InfraCo is now accountable for around 250,000 kilometres of fibre optic cable, 360,000 kilometres of ducts, 8,000 mobile towers, masts and poles, 5,000 exchanges, two data centres, and access to 400,000 kilometres of subsea cables.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

With the NBN resulting in many of the historical 5300 Telstra exchanges being decommissioned, and some sold off and demolished (work in progress), there's still an outside chance that useful BRE related crime evidence might be discovered in or under a WA Telstra exchange or in adjacent Telstra infrastructure, as more work is done on moving from copper to all fibre, and wireless linked by fibre, in Australia's telecommunications network.

Below articles show that the current and future ownership and management of Telstra's exchange assets/buildings, is not as straightforward as it used to be for all those decades.

Telstra to close up to 2500 telco exchanges, customers to shift to IP calling over the NBN

Details plans to convert them into distributed data centres.

www.crn.com.au

What is a POI? How and where your provider connects to the nbn™ network | nbn

www.nbnco.com.au

The nbn™ network has 121 Points of Interconnect (POIs), which are usually housed in select telephone exchange buildings.
POIs are where the RSP networks (networks built and operated by retail service providers) connect to the nbn™ network, which in turn connects to the end user.
An end user might click a link on their browser, sending data over their local (home) network to their router. The router passes the data on, eventually making its way on to the nbn™ network.
The nbn™ network takes it to the local exchange building (if the local exchange is part of the nbn™ network). Statistically speaking, this exchange will likely not house a POI. After all, there are over 1,000 exchanges involved with the nbn™ network and only 121 POIs.

Telstra sells $700m stake in its exchanges to Charter Hall consortium

The telecommunications giant has sold a newly created trust containing some of its properties to a consortium of investors led by Charter Hall.

www.afr.com

https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/about-us/investors/pdf%20F/2020-Telstra-Annual-Report.pdf

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Interesting that POI also stands for Person Of Interest in police speak??

Answer: A “person of interest” refers to someone who authorities believe might have information pertinent to a crime. A person of interest might be someone who can provide information that leads to a “suspect” or might turn into a suspect himself or herself.Jul 28, 2017

 

[Deva]

To help establish the Aboriginal identification in the Edward's family I am sharing this link I found a few weeks ago. Troy identifies as Whadjuk Noongar, hence Bradley would also as brothers. Public information so cannot see I am doing anything wrong with this post?

Our Board – MOSAC

mensoutreach.org.au

I have also read this online GND.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

I didn't know that vile film they kept mentioning was based on a serial killer, Richard Ramirez?


"Among the deleted material police found on Edwards’ computer was 2002 extreme pornography film Forced Entry, based loosely on the crimes of 1980s Californian serial killer Richard Ramirez. "

Inside secret lair of Claremont killer Bradley Robert Edwards as he's found guilty of two murders

Homemade sex toys, women’s underwear and notes on how to abduct and rape: The secret lair of the Claremont killer filled with objects so vile they couldn’t be shown in court Bradley Robert Edwards, 51, is found guilty of being the ‘Claremont serial killer’ Edwards was convicted of the killings...

distincttoday.net

"That guy on the show Monk, I really liked him in Silence of the Lambs, ” said Richard Ramirez in a phone chat with the New York Post from San Quentin Prison last month, referring to actor Ted Levine.

"That scene where he says, ‘It rubs the lotion on its skin,’ I really like [it]," Ramirez said of Levine, who, as skin-shearing transsexual serial killer Buffalo Bill, ordered a kidnapped young woman to lather up so he could flay her more easily."

Killer idolised ‘Silence of the Lambs’ actor

The 'Night Stalker' serial killer was obsessed with the actor who played the mass murderer in the movie 'The Silence of the Lambs', the dying con admitted in his final interview.

www.news.com.au

 

[Likeamystery]

Looks like there were efforts to clear Troy from involvement and the plot thickens. There was mention at the trial that Troy may have dropped BRE off at his mates house for work the morning of Sarah's disappearance. Might it be related to that?

It's crossed my mind beforehand that BRE may have possibly house sat for someone. Grabbing the opportunity to have time out from living with his parents at Gay St.
The suburbs City Beach, Osborne Park and Innaloo are central to both Wellard and Eglington. JR and CGs D-Sites aren't the same distance from Perth or Huntingdale.

Thinking about Osborne Park, BRE and EE had initially lived there I wonder if they'd shared the place with someone else.

 

[Kurve]

It's crossed my mind beforehand that BRE may have possibly house sat for someone. Grabbing the opportunity to have time out from living with his parents at Gay St.
The suburbs City Beach, Osborne Park and Innaloo are central to both Wellard and Eglington. JR and CGs D-Sites aren't the same distance from Perth or Huntingdale.

Thinking about Osborne Park, BRE and EE had initially lived there I wonder if they'd shared the place with someone else.

I think that might have come up in court if there was another address? And they had the house at Madora Bay as a spare, Wife 1 said they were there often outside of actually living in it for a while.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

It's crossed my mind beforehand that BRE may have possibly house sat for someone. Grabbing the opportunity to have time out from living with his parents at Gay St.
The suburbs City Beach, Osborne Park and Innaloo are central to both Wellard and Eglington. JR and CGs D-Sites aren't the same distance from Perth or Huntingdale.

Thinking about Osborne Park, BRE and EE had initially lived there I wonder if they'd shared the place with someone else.

"Thinking about Osborne Park, BRE and EE had initially lived there I wonder if they'd shared the place with someone else."

Quite possibly shared a place LAM, good thinking. Money was tight and they seemed to not mind "sharing" in so many ways!

 

[BFew]

p137 of the CSK BRE trial final verdict doc about BRE's work incidents on his HR file specifies "some" incidents, but only lists one.

It probably only lists the one, if none of the others are relevant to the End of January 1996 to the end of March 1997 dates that covered the period between the first and last of the CSK charges that BRE pleaded not guilty to when the trial commenced & finished.

There is a record in the personnel file of the accused of some workplace incidents he had been involved in. The accused sustained an injury at work on 9 April 1996. Telstra does not hold any records relating to the accused's assault on WD on 7 May 1990.

 

[BFew]

Given they examined a Telstra connection right back when the disappearances happened, I would like to know if they searched any Telstra work sites. I don’t get the impression they did, and I have not been able to find any news articles from that time about a search of a location for unknown reasons that may have related to Telstra (although that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen; internet searching is limited). It would be a far more challenging thing to do now given a lot of those sites will now be completed with buildings on them.

Hardly surprising given that p136 of the CSK BRE trial final verdict doc about BRE's Telecom and Telstra work locations, says that the Telstra global payroll manager was unable to locate any documents that recorded the places that BRE worked at in the 1990s.

Mr Vomero produced a record of the positions within Telecom and Telstra held by the accused. On 15 March 1990 the accused was a telecommunications technician, on 25 April 1991 he was a telecommunications technical officer grade 2, and on 4 June 1992 he was a senior telecommunications officer grade 1. Mr Vomero was not able to locate any document that recorded the places that the accused worked at in the 1990s. The records do show that between 1995 and 1998 the accused worked in various corporate business units. Two corporate telephone directories list the various units that the accused worked in during 1994 and 1996.

 

[ms finch]

Something I came across while looking for something else in the judgement:

344. As at 26 and 27 January 1996 the accused has admitted that he was living at 10 Fountain Way, Huntingdale. I am satisfied that by this date the accused and EB had separated and she had moved out of the house. DF said that he remained at the house for some weeks after EB left and that he only moved out in February. As unlikely as it seems that the accused would tolerate the continued presence of DF in his home (or that DF would want to remain there), even if DF was still living there as at the Australia Day long-weekend it is improbable that he would have paid any particular attention to the movements of the accused, and he certainly said nothing in that regard in his evidence.

It’s possible that DF was still living with Edwards the night Sarah was killed. I don’t think that’s impossible given the odd relationship that seemed to be going on there, and the fact that apparently Edwards begging DF not to leave moreso than EB. That to me makes it highly unlikely that Edwards ever hung on to Sarah’s body or had her at the house. He disposed of her that night.

 

[ms finch]

Hardly surprising given that p136 of the CSK BRE trial final verdict doc about BRE's Telecom and Telstra work locations, says that the Telstra global payroll manager was unable to locate any documents that recorded the places that BRE worked at in the 1990s.

I was literally just reading that in the judgement!

I presume those records would have been available at the time, though. I was wondering about searches back when they first came up with the Telstra connection. I really don’t like their chances now of narrowing down anywhere Edwards could have been.

 

[BFew]

It’s possible that DF was still living with Edwards the night Sarah was killed.

So on the evening that Sarah Spiers disappeared, BRE was not only at his estranged 1st wife's home having dinner with her and her parents, but if he'd gone home, his 1st wife's lover was maybe still living at his home he claims to have went home to that night.

Might BRE have used and encouraged his 1st wife's lover's continued living in his home, to fuel his determination and libido on his trawling the Western Suburbs/Claremont area for potential victims nights?

 

[Girlnextdoor]

This is quite fascinating, I hadn't seen anything about this before. I have heard of this happening years ago for a mother who so wanted a little girl, to force her son to dress as a girl till he got older and needed to go to school? Fulfilled the mother's fantasy to dress her baby/child in "pretty" things, no harm done. Of course only a minute number of children might develop into serial killers, there would have to be other extreme contributing factors, but clearly in these sick individuals, it played a significant part.

Boys Dressed as Girls Who Became Serial Killers

Some serial killers recall being dressed as girls when they were young, despite being male. It might have had a negative impact.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[ms finch]

So on the evening that Sarah Spiers disappeared, BRE was not only at his estranged 1st wife's home having dinner with her and her parents, but if he'd gone home, his 1st wife's lover was maybe still living at his home he claims to have went home to that night.

Might BRE have used and encouraged his 1st wife's lover's continued living in his home, to fuel his determination and libido on his trawling the Western Suburbs/Claremont area for potential victims nights?

Interesting you say all that. This discovery led me to a slightly mad theory that I posted over in the Marsha Johnson thread.

What if Edward’ triggers were not anything to do with women, but to do with his relationships or interactions with men?

I am not sold on the emotional trigger theory and still tend to believe that Edwards was a psychopath who acted for reasons of sexual gratification. But what if he was reacting to being belittled by another man rather than how a woman was making him feel, taking it out on someone weaker and more vulnerable (a woman)? Or what if, say from a completely opposite perspective, he had emotional attachments to these men and felt rejected?

He could have gone home after the rejection from EB and had some sort of altercation with DF.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I agree. They also go out of their way to repeatedly reference intimate partner, specific types of people close to the person and what they might know.

I do think this also implies a paedophile being a suspect. Just my personal opinion, but I get the impression they’re leaning towards encouraging people who may be suspicious of their partners in this way to have a think. There are more and more paedophiles caught because partners are paying attention to their habits.

Also they may have learnt from the Edwards situation: If your partner is hiding in the garage watching inappropriate pr0n and saving sandwich bags full of his fluid, we really would like to hear from you because the last bloke we found doing that was a serial killer.

I am still working on the site of SS. I still think I am very very close. I will keep you posted in one way or another.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Interesting you say all that. This discovery led me to a slightly mad theory that I posted over in the Marsha Johnson thread.

What if Edward’ triggers were not anything to do with women, but to do with his relationships or interactions with men?

I am not sold on the emotional trigger theory and still tend to believe that Edwards was a psychopath who acted for reasons of sexual gratification. But what if he was reacting to being belittled by another man rather than how a woman was making him feel, taking it out on someone weaker and more vulnerable (a woman)? Or what if, say from a completely opposite perspective, he had emotional attachments to these men and felt rejected?

He could have gone home after the rejection from EB and had some sort of altercation with DF.

Whoa! Think you're onto something there Ms Finch! Rejection by men, interesting! Maybe not necessarily BRE presenting as a gay man to DF (or any other man) but being affectionate, hugging (and holding on too long?) arm around shoulder too often, that type of thing? BRE mixed up sexually and not knowing how to Express himself to men (or women).

 

[Kurve]

I am still working on the site of SS. I still think I am very very close. I will keep you posted in one way or another.

Good luck Throaty! Some have descended into Wellard after Ferguson's interview I hear with their shovels and dogs, I've seen some pics of the area, it's really pretty with glorious patches of wildflowers but might be deceptively rugged.

There's a swamp tucked in behind Wellard, I think Woolcoot Road is parallel. Someone rang Don Spiers that cruelly sent him into a swamp area? I wonder if she's in here. Pink is the protected swamp.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

Good luck Throaty! Some have descended into Wellard after Ferguson's interview I hear with their shovels and dogs, I've seen some pics of the area, it's really pretty with glorious patches of wildflowers but might be deceptively rugged.

There's a swamp tucked in behind Wellard, I think Woolcoot Road is parallel. Someone rang Don Spiers that cruelly sent him into a swamp area? I wonder if she's in here. Pink is the protected swamp.

The rail line behind Wellard, that is interesting. Very much so. But that multi rail / road area does not interest me somewhat. No one helps me. So I go it alone.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I do plan to go back to my spot to look for SS. And also for Iveta. I do not think Iveta is near SS. Iveta near a former house close to wetlands. No point stating why now on a blog. What I try to do is not easy. It really is not. I really am trying to do my best hey. I do struggle with what does come in. Is it me or them?