Werewolf Choose your Role Werewolf - What side are YOU on?

[Raz]

I'm keeping the multi lynch option open as well, so I'm not sure why this post feels really off to me.

do you have a count ?

i guess we still got a few more hours

 

[Pie 4 Life]

This seals it for me. MBR must go first.

MBR is the one guarantee (ie seered) compared to Tarks who said he was either Head Vamp or Alpha? Is that right?

 

[MWPP]

I'm normally all for a multi and I advocated for it very early on however, given wincons (we don't even need mbr dead to win) and the manipulative wolf, as well as the destructive power of both vamps and alphas (and for all we know there could be 2 of each so we have to start somewhere) compared to a harmless evil doc , Tarks should be outright (by 3 or more votes) first with MBR outright (again by 3 or more votes) second

And I haven't seen a mayor claim MC Bad Genius

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I'm keeping the multi lynch option open as well, so I'm not sure why this post feels really off to me.

Surely you of all people can't begrudge a multi-lynch!?

 

[MWPP]

There could even be 2 manipulative wolves for all we know. The mayor claiming isn't going to help us get a count.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I'm normally all for a multi and I advocated for it very early on however, given wincons (we don't even need mbr dead to win) and the manipulative wolf, as well as the destructive power of both vamps and alphas (and for all we know there could be 2 of each so we have to start somewhere) compared to a harmless evil doc , Tarks should be outright (by 3 or more votes) first with MBR outright (again by 3 or more votes) second

And I haven't seen a mayor claim MC Bad Genius

You are evil! This is hilarious.

 

[Raz]

Late vote changes are always suss, but even when I'm a Villager, I do enjoy the chaos that they bring. It's so hard to stop myself ...


Has anyone claimed Mayor yet? That could be helpful to know how close we can push it for a multi-lynch.

I'm back no myblueroan now anyways, thanks thewizardmelon. Will change to Tarks if it's too close for comfort though (but not TOO late, Raz).

claiming mayor too early is dangerous

or could be without protection

maybe there is two mayors ?

that could affect votes a lot

 

[Ocha905]

Yeah I interpreted Danog ‘s question as do we spend much of werewolf games talking about titles and contents of PMs and what time people replied to mod messages to prove whatever argument we are making and the answer is no.

The meta I was referring to is stuff like killing people early if they’ve proven to be strong players, not lynching previous host early, monitoring contestants general play style and if it differs game to game hell even your number 4 theory etc etc.

 

[MWPP]

I was evil doc in that GUH comeback game, and I was last evil/neutral to be killed before a town victory. And that was in a game where the town actually needed me dead. So I speak with that context. Conversely, regardless of whether Tarks is the Alpha or the Vampire or some other evil/neutral that isn't the Evil Doc, he has to go.

Plus we learnt last game that even lynching neutral killers everyday isn't enough for a town victory

We can't be wasting lynches on people who don't even need to be lynched

 

[MWPP]

The meta I was referring to is stuff like killing people early if they’ve proven to be strong players, not lynching previous host early, monitoring contestants general play style and if it differs game to game hell even your number 4 theory etc etc.

I hear you. It's why I prefaced my response to them with 'I assume this what you mean by meta' or something to that effect as I've heard the meta term used in a werewolf/mafia context in different ways

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I was evil doc in that GUH comeback game, and I was last evil/neutral to be killed before a town victory. And that was in a game where the town actually needed me dead. So I speak with that context. Conversely, regardless of whether Tarks is the Alpha or the Vampire or some other evil/neutral that isn't the Evil Doc, he has to go.

Plus we learnt last game that even lynching neutral killers everyday isn't enough for a town victory

We can't be wasting lynches on people who don't even need to be lynched

You’re sitting here blatantly advocating for an evil role to not be lynched. How stupid do you think the village is?

 

[Chipmunk]

The meta I was referring to is stuff like killing people early if they’ve proven to be strong players, not lynching previous host early, monitoring contestants general play style and if it differs game to game hell even your number 4 theory etc etc.

Oh yeah, that happens all the time.

My number 4 ‘theory’ isn’t meta though, it’s game mechanics.

 

[MWPP]

You’re sitting here blatantly advocating for an evil role to not be lynched. How stupid do you think the village is?

They're neutral (like the head vamp actually) not evil

Plus last game was lost partly because multiple people didn't look at their wincons

WIN CONDITION - Eliminate any Mafia, Werewolves, Vampires or Serial Killers to win.

No mention of the evil doc. We can't be wasting an early game lynch on lynching her.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

They're neutral (like the head vamp actually) not evil

Plus last game was lost partly because multiple people didn't look at their wincons



No mention of the evil doc. We can't be wasting an early game lynch on lynching her.

Humour me. When do you lynch them? Because they’re going to preserve evil players overnight indefinitely. How much are all those missed opportunities to take evil out worth?

The only people that would prioritise an unknown over the seered evil doc are going to be evil themselves. I’m just surprised you’re going to be this blatant about it.

 

[MWPP]

Humour me. When do you lynch them? Because they’re going to preserve evil players overnight indefinitely. How much are all those missed opportunities to take evil out worth?

The only people that would prioritise an unknown over the seered evil doc are going to be evil themselves. I’m just surprised you’re going to be this blatant about it.

I'm happy to wear the 1 in 10 chance of them protecting a player the Vig (who we don't even know exists) or a Flog (likewise) hits overnight given the hidden mechanics in this one. The value drops further when the Vig dies. Ultimately there are more evil/neutral overnight kills than town ones . If it delays the rush to final 5 (yes, not 4, 5) for the SK (who is the box seat), that is actually a good thing.

 

[Danog]

The meta I was referring to is stuff like killing people early if they’ve proven to be strong players, not lynching previous host early, monitoring contestants general play style and if it differs game to game hell even your number 4 theory etc etc.

I'm a bit more ok with that... at least that's behavioural stuff. People investigating semantics though is... ehhh

 

[Ocha905]

MWPP’s insistence on the Evil Doc being a wasteful lynch is weird for sure. Might just be trying to protect a friend but there’s definitely something to this.

 

[MWPP]

MWPP’s insistence on the Evil Doc being a wasteful lynch is weird for sure. Might just be trying to protect a friend but there’s definitely something to this.

Did you follow last game after you died? In case you didn't, it was Day 1 no lynch and the following days were a night immune neutral killer (werewolf, arsonist x2 , Juggy) lynch each time and an NK still won because both Mafia and Coven neglected their wincons.

The town have been guilty of this in other games too

If she is lynched with everyone knowing that we don't even need her gone - that's fine

It's really not a friendship thing by the way. They're both my friends. But I have known Tarks far longer. But they'd both be in my top few of this game (along with you) along with the obvious ones, and they both know it.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

MWPP’s insistence on the Evil Doc being a wasteful lynch is weird for sure. Might just be trying to protect a friend but there’s definitely something to this.

I’d speculate that it’s because she doesn’t want there to be confirmarion that DemurePrincess seer result is true, in combination with the fact that the evil doc themselves is of use, especially to someone who tends to panic about being targeted.

A result today on MBR clears up that DP is a worthy candidate for protection tonight and will make it harder for evil to hide through future lynches.

 

[Ocha905]

MBR is the one guarantee (ie seered) compared to Tarks who said he was either Head Vamp or Alpha? Is that right?

Yep DP claimed seering her. Mbr has been MIA which seems to confirm it.

Tarks is in short a mess. From what I understand, he claimed that those were the options, chose vamp but didn’t get a reply from Wiz so thinks he is a villager. But numerous people have confirmed they didn’t get a confirmation and got the roles they chose. Therefore it’s overwhelmingly likely he’s pretty darn evil/neutral.

 

[DemurePrincess]

I’d speculate that it’s because she doesn’t want there to be confirmarion that DemurePrincess seer result is true, in combination with the fact that the evil doc themselves is of use, especially to someone who tends to panic about being targeted.

A result today on MBR clears up that DP is a worthy candidate for protection tonight and will make it harder for evil to hide through future lynches.

Oh please protect me otherwise Horsey will kill me. I know it. And you all know it

 

[ZergMinion]

If we have a vig, they can deal with the evil doc over the next couple of nights (though it's likely MBR self protected night one so it might be a one night deal).

Otherwise a multi later in the game is fine.

Evil doc much less likely to get off a useful protect than a village doc.

Plus testing Tarks vanillager claim is very important.

Having said that, if the evil doc swings instead then no big deal because the town balance is very different this game and we have access to multi's. Be sweet to knock the vampires straight out though.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Oh please protect me otherwise Horsey will kill me. I know it. And you all know it

Horsey can’t kill you if your seer is correct. She won’t even neigh for me.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Oh please protect me otherwise Horsey will kill me. I know it. And you all know it

 

[Raz]

MBR is the one guarantee (ie seered) compared to Tarks who said he was either Head Vamp or Alpha? Is that right?

yes so as either alpha or Vamp sounds like a good lynch

but happy to change under direction of others