Preview Changes versus Eagles

[Daz]

Atley should go to Masten, while Firrito should go to Hill.

Agreed.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Rough on spud, but structurally it makes sense.

??? I dont get it, with you lads at times........spud just played his best game ever for Nth now you want him dropped??

Cunnington out for one game.(not available)
Keys goes out for Thommo.
Maybe just maybe Peterson in for Robbie T

 

[ozzyoslo]

OF, as per our our earlier discussion, in some ways I agree with you and the selectors certainly agree with you.

However, I dont agree with its worked twice so we should keep the players indefinitely (Petrie excluded). Those goal tallies were OK, but 7 or 8 between 3 "key" forwards? Most teams would expect that also. Secondly, yes I really like the structure and testing opposition defense with height, but players are not untouchable based on results alone - otherwise ask Marty Clarke why he was dropped - they have won 8 or so straight.

I do however, agree that Taz/Pedo are not the same type of players - different strengths despite their similar size. Pedo has better skills/hands, mobility and flexibility and I think adds more to the team at the moment.


This!!
As for the "hater" claims, (not you OF, others), just because I or whoever rates the list differently from top to bottom doesn't make them a hater - whatever that actually is. By the same token, I could argue that anyone who rates Taz above Pedo is a hater for the reciprocal reason - which I wouldn't as its obviously stupid.

To put my cards on the table, I think Taz still has some way to go, and I am not in his fan club just yet. I know most of this board is, hence why I stand out.

Time will tell. I dont have any favourites and just call it as I see the best 22 on how I would pick my side. If thats different to the majority, so be it.

Fair post Saintly I think youre going with pure logic based on form..........also you could also argue that its horse´s for courses selection. Pedo did a top effort last year alone on NicNat/Cox

 

[ozzyoslo]

Jeez imagine Carey, Tarrant and Hansen in the same forward line. The bill from elastoplast would send the club broke.

You throwing Drewy??

 

[year of the roo]

Atley - Masten
McMahon - Hill
Firrito - Darling
Grima - Lynch
Thompson - resting ruck
McMillan - Hams

 

[ozzyoslo]

Not really any difference if you actually put any rationale or substance to the claim.

Only 4 were in the ruck which Geisch thought were wrong, and of those 4, 3 were claimed out of the ruck clearly by Eagles players before the whistle and stop of play, including 1 play on to advantage WCE clearance, so even if no free was paid we still had the clearances. The one clearance that spilled to a North player was the only one that was possibly a legit free with Hmacs other arm over the shoulder, but even so the ball was claimed by NM close to the boundary with two Eagles closing and no easy close NM options.

So no, they dont really make a difference in a game of football if you actually give any thought to it rather than just spurt out a feel good claim.

You wont have your crowd crying for free kicks this week, be prepared to be belted. You almost doubled our free kicks tally last time we played, at home for a 25 point win. Youre going down.

 

[tesseract]

What part of 8-0 fwd 50 frees and 29-15 overall do they not get?

Are they all ******* paraplegics? Or is it just me.

You are a great football club but you get a good run. There is no need to write bullshit and clog up the board of our great club with your verbal diarrhea and ludicrous ramblings.

I hope we rip that silly Shuey's head off. If Firitto doesn't attack his shoulder this week off the square I will be livid. We need to attack them at every contest, I want it to be a ******* war zone out there. If they are going to get a free, lets make sure they really earn it.

On one hand you're bemoaning the free kick discrepancy, yet on the other you're condoning the giving away of free kicks in order to rip Shuey's head off. You're all over the shop. Make up your mind.

 

[Roo182]

I thought this thread was about discussing changes to North's side against the Eagles? Save all this crap for the match-day thread.

 

[jacko57]

Not really any difference if you actually put any rationale or substance to the claim.

Only 4 were in the ruck which Geisch thought were wrong, and of those 4, 3 were claimed out of the ruck clearly by Eagles players before the whistle and stop of play, including 1 play on to advantage WCE clearance, so even if no free was paid we still had the clearances. The one clearance that spilled to a North player was the only one that was possibly a legit free with Hmacs other arm over the shoulder, but even so the ball was claimed by NM close to the boundary with two Eagles closing and no easy close NM options.

So no, they dont really make a difference in a game of football if you actually give any thought to it rather than just spurt out a feel good claim.

and if the frees had been correctly paid to McIntosh, given Cox was the one ignoring the ball and applying the half-nelson?

 

[Kcrack]

Geez guys keep it civil. No wonder everyone hates us.

 

[SloppyJoe]

I am really looking forward to this game. I think the sides match up really well against each other.

I'm not sure whether playing in Tassie as opposed to Etihad makes much of a difference, as both teams are pretty good at Etihad and have similar Tassie records.

 

[GarnerSmash]

I am really looking forward to this game. I think the sides match up really well against each other.

I'm not sure whether playing in Tassie as opposed to Etihad makes much of a difference, as both teams are pretty good at Etihad and have similar Tassie records.

Yeah, it's pretty much a fresh slate for both teams with North only haven played at Blundstone Arena once. The Weagles will get to have a run around on it before game day and as it is the same length as Subi you would think they would feel relatively at home there. The only difference is that Blundy is wider so the press might not be as effective as it otherwise would be.

 

[Kimbo]

The value or otherwise of Bellerive won't be in the dimensions, but in the crowd support (and lack of support for them).

 

[GarnerSmash]

The value or otherwise of Bellerive won't be in the dimensions, but in the crowd support (and lack of support for them).

That'll be a factor but I doubt as much as any effect on their ability to implement a consistent press. The conditions will be to our benefit too you'd think. Maybe they won't be able to run as much with their nads in their abdomens?

 

[Twinkletoes]

I thought this thread was about discussing changes to North's side against the Eagles?

It is. Keep it civil y'all and play the ball not the man. Play on...............

 

[True North]

In: Thompson
Out: Harper

The coach said it himself, kids/cauldrens etc. Harper can't play 4 quarters hence being subbed out more than once. Let him run on the ball in the 2's for a week, he can come back against the Blues ( if deserved ) when Delaney has no match.up.

 

[Brazen]

Fair post Saintly I think youre going with pure logic based on form..........also you could also argue that its horse´s for courses selection. Pedo did a top effort last year alone on NicNat/Cox

NicNat didnt play against you last year either, so not sure how you figure that

 

[ozzyoslo]

NicNat didnt play against you last year either, so not sure how you figure that

Ok so he went one on one....on Cox. And did an honest job.

 

[Brazen]

Ok so he went one on one....on Cox. And did an honest job.

Cox had 29 disposals and 2 goals, and the hitouts were 50 - 18 our way... I'll gladly take his honest effort this weekend if it gets the same result

 

[ozzyoslo]

Cox had 29 disposals and 2 goals, and the hitouts were 50 - 18 our way... I'll gladly take his honest effort this weekend if it gets the same result

I rather you focus on the more recent game where he received 5 free gifts in the centre (wrongly I might add) those 5 centre clearances alone just may have costed us the game.
I see no replys on the free kick barbs flying your way........
especially where youve had this year:-
9 games where you ended on the plus side 80+ free kicks (more than 9 a game average)
1 game drawn in the "free kicks for"dept
3 games where you actually had more free kicks against. (one of them GWS)

Yeah youre playing good footy but make the most of it while it lasts cause it aint gonna be long fella.

 

[bluengold89]

I rather you focus on the more recent game where he received 5 free gifts in the centre (wrongly I might add) those 5 centre clearances alone just may have costed us the game.
I see no replys on the free kick barbs flying your way........
especially where youve had this year:-
9 games where you ended on the plus side 80+ free kicks (more than 9 a game average)
1 game drawn in the "free kicks for"dept
3 games where you actually had more free kicks against. (one of them GWS)

Yeah youre playing good footy but make the most of it while it lasts cause it aint gonna be long fella.

We played plenty of good footy last year without any of this free kick rubbish being raised. We also pushed collingwood right to the end at the MCG where their winning goal came from a very soft free kick and the free kick count went their way. Regardless of umpiring West Coast are a very good team.

 

[Saintly31]

Cox had 29 disposals and 2 goals, and the hitouts were 50 - 18 our way... I'll gladly take his honest effort this weekend if it gets the same result

With all your comments on the North board, it will be a very sweet win thats for sure if the NMFC are good enough to get up over your (strong favourite) Duckers

Back on topic;
Ins: Thompson, Pederson
Out: Tarrant, Campbell

 

[Eagle87]

I rather you focus on the more recent game where he received 5 free gifts in the centre (wrongly I might add) those 5 centre clearances alone just may have costed us the game.
I see no replys on the free kick barbs flying your way........
especially where youve had this year:-
9 games where you ended on the plus side 80+ free kicks (more than 9 a game average)
1 game drawn in the "free kicks for"dept
3 games where you actually had more free kicks against. (one of them GWS)

Yeah youre playing good footy but make the most of it while it lasts cause it aint gonna be long fella.

This notion that asserts we are Top 4 because of free kicks is the sort of silliness that makes one wonder if there is much point to public forums. Further asserting that a few debateable ruck infringement frees might have "costed" (sic) you the game doesn't help much either. Did you watch the game? If you reckon that game was ever winnable by North you are struggling a bit.

This weeks game is important, it's a contest because Norths form has improved of late but this week will test it. We shall see.

I also find it odd that many in here have posted back 6 v forward 6 match ups like this is some sort of useful guide to anything. I mean it might have been in 1992 when teams lined up with standard back and forward lines but it's irrelevant now.

The battle will be won in the midfield and at stoppages. If West Coast win in those areas it's likely over. Norths strategy in the last game between these teams was numbers back, try and force turnovers and sprint into space - with virtually no forward structure much of the time - this seemed to concede that winning "straight up" wasn't doable for North (I.e you conceded you couldn't win with a "normal" structure. This contest is more intriguing if it unfolds as you guys suggest in here with North setting up with 3 tall forwards and genuine crumbers. That's a better structure but creates space up the ground - which makes the midfield and stoppage battle even more significant - its also a structure that allows West Coast to set up its backline in its preferred way. I'm wondering if Scott will actually stick with that and we end up with a Collingwood v West Coast style game from a couple of weeks back I.e, both sides backing themselves in and may the best team win? I certainly hope Scott has the guts to try that

 

[Brazen]

I rather you focus on the more recent game where he received 5 free gifts in the centre (wrongly I might add) those 5 centre clearances alone just may have costed us the game.
I see no replys on the free kick barbs flying your way........
especially where youve had this year:-
9 games where you ended on the plus side 80+ free kicks (more than 9 a game average)
1 game drawn in the "free kicks for"dept
3 games where you actually had more free kicks against. (one of them GWS)

Yeah youre playing good footy but make the most of it while it lasts cause it aint gonna be long fella.

Nice deflection... you see no replys? Ahhh... check my post on the previous page that HASNT been quoted above... Id already focused on that game and those free kicks in those previous posts...lol nice fail at trying to take a dig at me - it was 4 frees against Cox in the ruck too, not 5 as you claim - one was a marking contest - and none were "centre clearances" as you also claim - they were around the ground... you wanna get anything else wrong?? My break down of all that though from me on the last page in black and white ... so go there seeing you apparently "see no replies" lol

It was you introduced the focus on last years game and now want to ignore being called on firstly claiming Pederson did well against Nicnat, then finding he didnt even play claimed he did well against Cox when he actually got pantsed. Loving this board

 

[Brazen]

With all your comments on the North board, it will be a very sweet win thats for sure if the NMFC are good enough to get up over your (strong favourite) Duckers

Back on topic;
Ins: Thompson, Pederson
Out: Tarrant, Campbell

It would be a sweet win indeed, and is certainly not out of the question - you guys are in red hot form. Notice I haven't anywhere made any assertions that we are looking good for a win this game. My posts have only called people out on blatant factually wrong claims on here including:

a) "8-0 F50 free kicks to WCE last game" => There were two goals directly from F50 frees in the last quarter to Edwards and Ziebell, and the game was also played much more in our F50, so go figure
b) "Free kick count highly in WCE favour last game outrageous!" => Last years game the free kick count was 30-18 your way at Subi... surprise surprise it happens both ways, but last year our coach didnt mention it post-match and our board didnt go into melt down.
c) "Biased cheating WA umpires made a difference" => 2 of the three umpires in the last game were from Victoria
d) "5 incorrect centre ruck infringements to Cox made a difference" => Only 4 were in the ruck, none were in the centre, and 3 of the four went straight to Eagles players before whistle blew including 1 play on to advantage
e) "Pederson did really well solo against Cox and Nicnat last year" => Nicnat didnt play last year either
f) "Well Pederson did an honest job against Cox only" => Cox got 29 disposals and 2 goals, and the hitouts were 50 - 18 our way

So yeah - no comment from me on the outcome of this weekend, only picking up on the laughable claims being made on here about the past.

I think you guys on current form a big chance this weekend and will be one of the first to say well done if you get up and win the thing