Unofficial Preview Changes & Pre-match Discussion - RD 4 vs. Carlton. Thur 03/04 @ 7:30pm (MCG)

[Scodog10]

Did Hoyne explain how they measure ball movement in a statistical sense?

Is it unbroken chains of possession that lead to a score? Speed of movement?

I'm somewhat intrigued by how they measure it.

He did not. I assume to them it’s like the Colonel’s secret spices, but like you I’d love that insight. If I were to guess based on the flow of the discussion it would be chaining possessions and it leading to scores and the ability to stop the possession chains.

Like always with CD though you have to keep in mind that it isn’t foolproof. Fremantle being top 3 on both sides of the ball over the past 25-30 matches for instance. The best answer I have is that they’re a statistical anomaly brought about by chaining the ball backwards by hand under pressure and their strength at contest. One thing’s for sure they’re missing Young.

 

[Forethought]

We would get hammered when mcstay is in the ruck, Carlton’s clearance game and scores from clearance is pretty good. I think we need cox just to
Impact the contest a bit.

TDK game time last week was 76% vs Cameron’s 84% .
Cameron will be coming off a Bye.
TDK will be coming off a 6 day break and previous 3 games in 14 days.

I’d say McStay will smash Cripps in the ruck. Our second ruck in McStay is better than anything the Blues can produce. Further Cameron will be fresher and has a longer game time average than TDK .

Hence no need for Cox

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I always like it when the Pies kick to space going forward.

Kind of lets us get onto it more.

Never like us kicking right into packs.

Think our game style is more for the out on the wings and flank style play.

And the MCG suits us this way.

Like it getting out there into space.

We played like that in 1990 even tho was like 35 years ago but we have the run and speed to chase and run onto the ball.

Hence kick goals.

Dont like this set shot stuff.

Love goals on the run and in general play.

Perfect example was the Cox intercept on the wing turn over then run along and kick out to vacant forward 50.

Kind of what you call out the back type goals

It’s honestly bizarre we don’t use the space more

We have elite kicks in our side and more than enough players with pace in the forward half

 

[Bianconeri]

TDK game time last week was 76% vs Cameron’s 84% .
Cameron will be coming off a Bye.
TDK will be coming off a 6 day break and previous 3 games in 14 days.

I’d say McStay will smash Cripps in the ruck. Our second ruck in McStay is better than anything the Blues can produce. Further Cameron will be fresher and has a longer game time average than TDK .

Hence no need for Cox

I’m not concerned about the ruck but I’d prefer McStay play 90% of the game up forward. He can’t do that when he goes into the ruck.

 

[Sinoswooper]

Allan in for Reef. No other changes

 

[jmac70]

Allan in for Reef. No other changes

Checkers?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Allan in for Reef. No other changes

Que?

Reckon we probably need Frampton for McKay

 

[cfc19902010]

We would get hammered when mcstay is in the ruck, Carlton’s clearance game and scores from clearance is pretty good. I think we need cox just to
Impact the contest a bit.

They’ll get hammered also with Cripps in ruck

 

[Scodog10]

We would get hammered when mcstay is in the ruck, Carlton’s clearance game and scores from clearance is pretty good. I think we need cox just to
Impact the contest a bit.

How many ruck contests have you seen the second ruck v a first ruck this year? I don’t remember a single contest where McStay went against Keeffe/ Briggs or Sweet nor do I remember Cameron going against Gruzewski or Wines. I’ve watched about 15 matches in full so far this year and I think more than any other year the 1st rucks are rotating off at the same time and back on at the same time after a goal.

The anomaly seems to be when a team plays two rucks, as we did v the Bulldogs, and the 1st ruck rests forward as we saw in the 3rd Q last week. I can see arguments for including Cox and it allowing McStay to stay closer to goal, but I enjoyed how involved he was in transition v Port. It seemed like both McStay and the team was more dangerous with him as the bail out option instead of Cox. I don’t think you can have that structure if Mihocek plays.

 

[sr36]

The irony is that Houston was exactly the player the scum needed.

It's got have been salary cap.

 

[JuniorB]

It's got have been salary cap.

Yeah, most likely.
TDK, welcome to St Kilda...

 

[magpies42]

Que?

Reckon we probably need Frampton for McKay

You reckon McKay recovers in time, either way you’re right…we need two talls against the Blues.

Allan to switch on Cripps could be handy.

Degoey hopefully better for the run last week and will be more assertive, we will need his power.

We also have WHE presumably fit, I imagine fly will want him straight back in. Who gives way?

The Blues are in disarray, this concerns me. This is their final.

 

[The Phantom]

I think there’s a good chance WHE goes straight into Reefs role in defence, we rotate match ups round a bit and its job done.
Not so complicated or unsettling.

 

[jmac70]

You reckon McKay recovers in time, either way you’re right…we need two talls against the Blues.

Allan to switch on Cripps could be handy.

Degoey hopefully better for the run last week and will be more assertive, we will need his power.

We also have WHE presumably fit, I imagine fly will want him straight back in. Who gives way?

The Blues are in disarray, this concerns me. This is their final.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Blues roll the Doggies.

 

[manicpie]

I think there’s a good chance WHE goes straight into Reefs role in defence, we rotate match ups round a bit and its job done.
Not so complicated or unsettling.

I agree. We might even go with crisp back to HB.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Blues roll the Doggies.

I agree with this.

Poor goalkicking aside, I thought we played quite poorly against the Dogs. With their current outs, they are a middle of the ladder team. Outside of Darcy, they have no other real threatening forward.

The Blues played well against the Hawks and pinned them to the boundary for most of the game which is how you beat the Hawks.

I think the Blues are better than the current version of the Dogs.

 

[Harry O]

I agree with this.

Poor goalkicking aside, I thought we played quite poorly against the Dogs. With their current outs, they are a middle of the ladder team. Outside of Darcy, they have no other real threatening forward.

The Blues played well against the Hawks and pinned them to the boundary for most of the game which is how you beat the Hawks.

I think the Blues are better than the current version of the Dogs.

I don’t think we would want to play Blues at 0-3. We saw what we did at the Gabba at the same situation last year
The 6 day break in to the Collingwood game is a big disadvantage to the Blues. Especially off a Marvel game

 

[Pistol Night]

I agree with this.

Poor goalkicking aside, I thought we played quite poorly against the Dogs. With their current outs, they are a middle of the ladder team. Outside of Darcy, they have no other real threatening forward.

The Blues played well against the Hawks and pinned them to the boundary for most of the game which is how you beat the Hawks.

I think the Blues are better than the current version of the Dogs.

Yeah clearly the Blues "look" better on paper but the Dogs are playing with some spirit and if Darcy gets going again Weitering will be more concerned about him than his financial advisor

 

[Pistol Night]

 

[gouki88]

You reckon McKay recovers in time, either way you’re right…we need two talls against the Blues.

Allan to switch on Cripps could be handy.

Degoey hopefully better for the run last week and will be more assertive, we will need his power.

We also have WHE presumably fit, I imagine fly will want him straight back in. Who gives way?

The Blues are in disarray, this concerns me. This is their final.

WHE was fit for the Dogs game and didn't play. No longer automatic

 

[Peters_Nuts]

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You hope everything is ok with him first of all.

If he misses next week do we bother with Frampton? Gut feel says we try Ryan especially if we’re only dealing with Curnow and Kemp.

 

[riddick78]

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Wouldn't surprise me if it was mental health issues from their nuffy supporters.

I hope he is alright though, but if he misses next week, i don't think Frampton will come in and we'll go with more speed off the backline.

 

[Pistol Night]

You hope everything is ok with him first of all.

If he misses next week do we bother with Frampton? Gut feel says we try Ryan especially if we’re only dealing with Curnow and Kemp.

Absolutely. With no McKay we only need to go with Moore on an underdone Curnow you'd reckon and our medium and small defenders can handle the rest of their crab forward line

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Of COURSE he'll come back next weel lol

 

[jmac70]

Of COURSE he'll come back next weel lol

I hope he does.