Analysis Champion Data ranks every AFL club’s list for 2019 season

[Shazza_]

So called 3rd best defence in Brisbane kept us to a low score of 110... and the 6th best defence (us) kept them to a total of 17...

How do they rank this?

they make sure they add controversy otherwise they wouldnt get airtime

basically a bunch of nerd dumb campaigners

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

This must be a joke? hahahahaha

i guess being named AA 5 seasons in a row means nothing huh?

Sad reality is there are campaigners out there who 100% believe in it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I read that, and straight away went - this is crap, forget it.

The Squiggle at least does number crunching on teams that win. CD do something else entirely.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Lever 5th best kpd he’s not even in the top 12

 

[parmy2balmey]

Lever 5th best kpd he’s not even in the top 12
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was out all year with an ACL so moved up the CD rankings. also had a good write up on The Roar by a blogger, plus he kept rookie listed journeyman and part time forward j.townsend to 2 goals in a grand final, so easily top 5

 

[Dunger]

CD ranking system:

 

[SunshineBoy]

So called 3rd best defence in Brisbane kept us to a low score of 110... and the 6th best defence (us) kept them to a total of 17...

How do they rank this?

Well we do have the best forward line

 

[mopsy]

Its just one way of utilising stats. Keep saying it stats in isolation are useless.

 

[Not Important]

Its just one way of utilising stats. Keep saying it stats in isolation are useless.

that is true but they are supposed to be expert in analysing them. the clubs pay a fortune for 'em through the season.

 

[Calcium Man]

People do understand how how CD works? It’s purely based on how they rate players and very little to do with team performance.

Grimes and Neville Jetta imo are the 2 best pure defenders in the comp but neither are high possession winners so wouldn’t be ranked very high by the CD system. Conversely Essendon has a lot of high possession winners who might not be great defenders ranked higher cos they get a lot of touches.

It’s a great tool for fantasy and understanding how teams play but not a great tool for judging teams.

 

[Calcium Man]

Its just one way of utilising stats. Keep saying it stats in isolation are useless.

Lol you constantly use stats in isolation.

 

[tigernsw]

So LOL Ninf have a better midfield than us?

Says it all about champion data. Champion rubbish

 

[Phar Ace]

Its just one way of utilising stats. Keep saying it stats in isolation are useless.

Bang on Mopsy. The stats themselves are good, just the analysis can't take everything into account. Historical data (some might say hysterical)

Stats have never been (or shouldn't be) an end point, they are merely a starting point for further analysis. In a game of uncertainty, stats give the coach a quick snapshot of what just happened. At it's most basic, in roulette if a red number comes up 5 times in a row, statistically based on the law of averages black is better chance than red next spin. But it is not the case, both still have nearly a 50/50 chance next spin. Stats are nearly always historical.

They highlight trends within though, like Melbourne overused the ball with lots of possessions while West Coast were more direct with tighter disposal chains and thus was one of the reasons West Coast won. Goodwin knows that and he'll be tightening the focus on their ball use and metres gained per possession. They will be training ways to achieve that, just like the Tigers did in 2017 pre-season. Stats help identify what can be fixed or changed, relevant to the opposing conditions - that's all. It predicts almost nothing.

 

[Shazza_]

People do understand how how CD works? It’s purely based on how they rate players and very little to do with team performance.

Grimes and Neville Jetta imo are the 2 best pure defenders in the comp but neither are high possession winners so wouldn’t be ranked very high by the CD system. Conversely Essendon has a lot of high possession winners who might not be great defenders ranked higher cos they get a lot of touches.

It’s a great tool for fantasy and understanding how teams play but not a great tool for judging teams.

neville jetta..... **** me

 

[SA Tiger RVZ]

Fat lot of good it did Adelaide in 2018. Proves champion data stats are useless! it’s not played on paper.

 

[GoTigers2015]

If we sign Sydney Stack our average age will drop to (15th) 4th youngest - 23.80

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/8917d27a2e0dd38c614b1807eda13830
RICHMOND

Average age: 23.92 (11th)

Average games played: 70 (4th)

Champion Data overall list rating: 3rd

The Tigers boast the best forward line in the competition, with boom recruit Tom Lynch joining reigning Coleman Medal winner Jack Riewoldt in attack. The formidable duo will also have the support of Josh Caddy and Daniel Rioli, two proven match winners in 2018. It’s perhaps surprising to note that Champion Data rates the Tigers’ defence as the sixth best in the AFL, given the strength of Alex Rance, David Astbury and Dylan Grimes. On face value the club’s rating as the eighth best midfield also seems perverse given it boasts two Brownlow medallists. But Richmond lost a heap of depth to its engine room in the trade period.

Rise, hold or fall? Rise

 

[Waca Jr]

Champion Data. Were talking shit is mandatory. Developed by nerds with a computer that were never picked in a school yard. **** off

 

[Waca Jr]

Champion Data. Were talking shit is mandatory. Developed by nerds with a computer that were never picked in a school yard. **** off

*Where

 

[Bazzar]

CH Data ranked Betts nearly double that of Grimes in the GF. That just about sums it up.

 

[fleabitten]

In real life, they are as useful as a ****-flavoured lollipop.

i imagine that would be pretty useful for those with some small amount curiosity (not enough curiosity to sample the real thing). I'd say more useful than Champion Data who just leave you feeling more confused than before.

 

[Hoos]

CH Data ranked Betts nearly double that of Grimes in the GF. That just about sums it up.

That's pretty close to the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard/seen/read.

 

[Bazzar]

That's pretty close to the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard/seen/read.

I just had a look, Betts 48pts, Grimes 25pts.
The biggest joke was Grimes 25 was the lowest ranking for both sides, and from memory the Hun gave him 8/10 and Age 7/10 and I think both papers gave Betts 3/10.

 

[Waca Jr]

Sad reality is there are campaigners out there who 100% believe in it.

In fairness Jono Brown not a fanof them. Kept pushing for Grimes AA selections and said you can't just look at stats

 

[tigers47]

Why dont these f******* go on holiday or do some cricket articles instead of trying to validate the druggo scum

 

[Calcium Man]

I just had a look, Betts 48pts, Grimes 25pts.
The biggest joke was Grimes 25 was the lowest ranking for both sides, and from memory the Hun gave him 8/10 and Age 7/10 and I think both papers gave Betts 3/10.

It’s not a joke it’s just how CD works. The system simply cannot rate a players performance off the ball.

It’s a wonderful tool but it is a tool with flaws that needs to be used in the correct fashion.