List Mgmt. Carlton Draft 2021

[Revenant1965]

2 questions, if people can help.

1) Sam Butler

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. Read a little and seems a good sort around 25. But would he be someone we'd want?

2) What's the possibility of someone going on long term injury list after the draft, and us picking someone as a pre-season supplementary selection? And if we did, what sort of player would we want? Mature ruck/backup KPD?

 

[Shambolic]

LOB is 3cm taller than gaff, and would have the same engine as him. Obviously gaff is the premier wingman of the comp but i see a lot of similarities in LOB and Gaff, we just need a proper game plan and some decent instructions and lochie will be fine. A good preseason in the gym and he is right to go. The other wing is Philp, quick, a very good inside/outside game, he could easily be a brayshaw Mach2, again its all about game plan and instruction to the player.

Kemp stays back, Carroll is a jet midfielder isnt super quick but has the pendlebury time and side step up his sleeve.

I stated before i feel our backline is way out of balance in regards to def/attck, we need an aggressive med/sml defense first defender to balance out saad williams and newman.


If Newnes lines up for us rnd1 we arent progressing.

Same engine perhaps but Gaff when he was younger was fast and long running. Do we see Lob burning anyone off?


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[Blue__Balls]

Let's do the math then...

We have (currently) 33 contracted players on the senior list. 6 contracted players on the rookie list. (Plus Owies on Cat-B)

Maximum list size Senior + Cat-A Rookie is 42. 33+6=39, plus LOB & Cotts = 41. 42-41 = 1.

Again, we have one spot only available on the list. There is no room for Cripps Jr or anyone else after we use pick 25. The two remaining spots will be used for rookie elevations.

Not trying to be snarky about it, it's just the facts. Don't believe us? Go listen to Austin's interview after trade week closed, he confirmed this is what we'll be doing.

Sheepy is suggesting that we should have left one of Honey/Kennedy on the rookie list, allowing us to take a second ND pick.

If you couldn't pick up on that you weren't reading it properly.

 

[Bletch]

2 questions, if people can help.

1) Sam Butler. Read a little and seems a good sort around 25. But would he be someone we'd want?

2) What's the possibility of someone going on long term injury list after the draft, and us picking someone as a pre-season supplementary selection? And if we did, what sort of player would we want? Mature ruck/backup KPD?

1) Yes, I think we'd be very interested if he's available at 25. Seems more likely to go around 20, but he could fall through to our pick. I think our ideal (relying on what Austin said) would more be a creative midfielder who can play forward rather than the other way around, and he seems to be more a forward/mid. But he ticks a lot of boxes. Would put a heap of pressure on the likes of Fogarty, Owies, Cuningham, Durdin, and Honey to have a good year, as they're all out of contract in 2022 and fill a similar role - add in Fisher and Philp and there's a lot of competition for that small fwd/mid positions.

2) Yes, you'd think so. Depends on how Doc's recovery goes as he is the most likely candidate. Fingers crossed for him though. Marchy & Cunners more likely to be ready to go mid-season if all goes well. And both would want to stay on the list if they can, given they are out of contract at season's end.

 

[Bletch]

Sheepy is suggesting that we should have left one of Honey/Kennedy on the rookie list, allowing us to take a second ND pick.

If you couldn't pick up on that you weren't reading it properly.

At the moment they are both still on the rookie list - we haven't upgraded anyone yet. And try reading my response properly - we do not have room for a second ND pick. Period.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeah Jermias, I would suggest it. The club have spoken with him, hence he is a known potential option/target.

Ive seen Mirkov play at VFL level, he is essentially like a Cat B/alternate sport athlete, and I wasn’t that impressed. He filled at need at the time. Like others I’ve only seen the highlight reel of Cripps, who is a natural footballer, and it showcases what he can do and that’s much more than Mirkov IMO. Heys a ruck/fwd, Mirkov is not, he’s just really tall.

It’s you who has the Cripps name issues I suggest, one of many. I for one would not lose any sleep if we traded Patrick Cripps out or gave the captaincy to others. It’s a team sport and as a leader, he’s come up a bit short on/off field.

And to all those who preach the ‘totally against league requirements’ I am fully aware of these, as I suggested Pick 25, the Cripps pick and a rookie elevation - do the math people, that’s 3 players onto the senior list - we comply. People are seeing blue because of theCripps name issues more than I.

This place fills up with keyboard champions and snipers at this time of year every year. Even worse now we may be turning the corner. Come at me if it makes you feel better, I don’t care if you disagree with how I think, I’m allowed my own opinion. The number of posters on here who have a real insight into CFC and football in general (myself not included) form a short list.

Mirkovs played how many VFL games his entire career... 3?? His athletic profile is as good as any player out there and has already showed ability to ruck quite well. I suppose you would have been in favour of Essendon giving up on Sam Draper when he switched over from playing soccer because his AFL skills were ordinary?

On the Cripps part - Josh Cripps wasnt named Cripps he wouldnt have a highlights video for you to watch, so yes it is entirely to do with his last name. He may end up a half decent player but as of right now he is a slow lumbering fwd ruck who has terrible in game agility, minimal explosiveness and is a very ordinary kick despite playing football most of his life. He hasnt showed the athleticism Mirkov possesses before or after his ACL.

At best Cripps looks like he could end up as good as a Levi Casboult or Peter Wright, both underwhelming role players who will never be dominant in their position as they simply lack the physical attributes/skills to develop further.
When you compare that to Mirkov he could realistically end up the next Aaron Sandilands if he develops well. Hes 210cm, very athletic and relatively mobile for his size, shown huge potential when it comes to tap/ruck craft but needs to learn to use the ball better via foot.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

We need to get a baller. Just someone who’s smart & clean around the footy and plays the game the right way. Zac Taylor, albeit a smaller mid, is exactly the mid we should go after. He’s also an accumulator and I feel we need to find someone that just knows how to get the ball inside and outside of the contest. I reckon he would be a sneaky chance to play round 1 as well if he’s under the tutelage of vossy, Clarke and diesel. It’s a no brainer for me. He’s got a lot of Caleb serong

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[Ash24]

Sam Butler

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

and Matt Roberts are my favourites to pick up at the moment, but Josh Sinn, Blake Howes and Josh Goater aren't too far away either. Hopefully one of those 5 make it to our pick.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Mirkovs played how many VFL games his entire career... 3?? His athletic profile is as good as any player out there and has already showed ability to ruck quite well. I suppose you would have been in favour of Essendon giving up on Sam Draper when he switched over from playing soccer because his AFL skills were ordinary?

On the Cripps part - Josh Cripps wasnt named Cripps he wouldnt have a highlights video for you to watch, so yes it is entirely to do with his last name. He may end up a half decent player but as of right now he is a slow lumbering fwd ruck who has terrible in game agility, minimal explosiveness and is a very ordinary kick despite playing football most of his life. He hasnt showed the athleticism Mirkov possesses before or after his ACL.

At best Cripps looks like he could end up as good as a Levi Casboult or Peter Wright, both underwhelming role players who will never be dominant in their position as they simply lack the physical attributes/skills to develop further.
When you compare that to Mirkov he could realistically end up the next Aaron Sandilands if he develops well. Hes 210cm, very athletic and relatively mobile for his size, shown huge potential when it comes to tap/ruck craft but needs to learn to use the ball better via foot.

Levi, at one point, was the best contested mark in the competition.

He may have had weaknesses, but he also had strengths.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

We need to get a baller. Just someone who’s smart & clean around the footy and plays the game the right way. Zac Taylor, albeit a smaller mid, is exactly the mid we should go after. He’s also an accumulator and I feel we need to find someone that just knows how to get the ball inside and outside of the contest. I reckon he would be a sneaky chance to play round 1 as well if he’s under the tutelage of vossy, Clarke and diesel. It’s a no brainer for me. He’s got a lot of Caleb serong vibes.

Isn't that what Zac Fisher offers when he's fit?

Taylor looks like a good player, but I say we go for X factor - the Motlop kid or one of the taller types who can play wing/flanker eg Howes....

But why keep Willo, for example, only to pick a tall winger type?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Levi, at one point, was the best contested mark in the competition.

He may have had weaknesses, but he also had strengths.

Correct. Even with his strengths he was nothing more than a role player due to his weaknesses. Mckay is already better than Levi ever was and Josh Cripps in a similar vein is a severely limited player at this stage. The idea Mirkov should be delisted for him is simply ridiculous

 

[bmaurizio]

Sheepy is suggesting that we should have left one of Honey/Kennedy on the rookie list, allowing us to take a second ND pick.

If you couldn't pick up on that you weren't reading it properly.

Realistically not sure what the club expects form Cotteral & LOB, can’t see Cotts getting a game in 2022, and Luke has a fine kick, but that’s about it.
Perhaps Vossy doesn’t want the an image of clearing the deck prematurely as Head Coach.

 

[bmaurizio]

Sam Butler and Matt Roberts are my favourites to pick up at the moment, but Josh Sinn, Blake Howes and Josh Goater aren't too far away either. Hopefully one of those 5 make it to our pick.

Sinn would be an absolute steal, Butler also would be great picks for Baggers but Goater has kicking issues and Roberts has dropped away too, form related ?not sure . I also would be ecstatic with either Sheldrick, strong over the ball & wins first possession and the magical , Taylor, Motlop or Clarke.

 

[Jeremias]

Yeah Jermias, I would suggest it. The club have spoken with him, hence he is a known potential option/target.

If true this would indicate they've done their due diligence on the player. It doesn't necessarily speak to their level of interest.

Ive seen Mirkov play at VFL level, he is essentially like a Cat B/alternate sport athlete, and I wasn’t that impressed. He filled at need at the time. Like others I’ve only seen the highlight reel of Cripps, who is a natural footballer, and it showcases what he can do and that’s much more than Mirkov IMO. Heys a ruck/fwd, Mirkov is not, he’s just really tall.

OK. When did you see him play?

If it was one of the two full games he played prior to being drafted, it's strange you would then post this on June 2 when we selected Alex in the draft:

I like. I shall call him Smirnov.

No mention anywhere as far as I can see of you not thinking much of the selection at the time.

Perhaps it was the few minutes he spent on the field as a Carlton listed player prior to succumbing to injury (his 3rd VFL game for the season) that turned you off him?

It’s you who has the Cripps name issues I suggest, one of many. I for one would not lose any sleep if we traded Patrick Cripps out or gave the captaincy to others. It’s a team sport and as a leader, he’s come up a bit short on/off field.

The only 'íssue' I have is people putting Josh Cripps on a pedestal because of his surname. We saw the exact same thing last year with Henry Walsh who as we know went undrafted.

And to all those who preach the ‘totally against league requirements’ I am fully aware of these, as I suggested Pick 25, the Cripps pick and a rookie elevation - do the math people, that’s 3 players onto the senior list - we comply. People are seeing blue because of theCripps name issues more than I.

Everything points to us using just the single pick in the national draft, with the remainder being rookie elevations.
Austin was pretty strong on this, I'd be surprised if we saw anything different transpire come draft time.

This place fills up with keyboard champions and snipers at this time of year every year. Even worse now we may be turning the corner. Come at me if it makes you feel better, I don’t care if you disagree with how I think, I’m allowed my own opinion. The number of posters on here who have a real insight into CFC and football in general (myself not included) form a short list.

Not sure what you're talking about here. As far I can see nobody has "come at" you personally. Certainly people (including myself) have challenged what you have put forward, isn't that what a forum is all about?

 

[Dysfunctional]

Correct. Even with his strengths he was nothing more than a role player due to his weaknesses. Mckay is already better than Levi ever was and Josh Cripps in a similar vein is a severely limited player at this stage. The idea Mirkov should be delisted for him is simply ridiculous

Does all this Cripps blind love not remind you of another situation like this last year, where everyone wanted us to use a pick on someone just because of his name,

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Realistically not sure what the club expects form Cotteral & LOB, can’t see Cotts getting a game in 2022, and Luke has a fine kick, but that’s about it.
Perhaps Vossy doesn’t want the an image of clearing the deck prematurely as Head Coach.

2 reasons imo.
1. They are 21 and 22 so are only going to improve.
2. They are both good runners on a list that lack good runners and We have no idea if we can replace that at the draft with better prospects.

 

[JuddgementDay]

10 young stars are polarising AFL club recruiters. These are their wide draft ranges

Tyler Sonsie 10-30
Rhett Bazzo 20-40
Matthew Roberts 15-35
Arlo Draper 15-30
Mitch Knevitt 20-35
Jacob Van Rooyen 15-30
Josh Goater 8-20
Matthew Johnson 8-20
Josh Sinn 10-20
Zac Taylor 20-30

10 young stars are polarising AFL club recruiters. These are their wide draft ranges

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Let's get back to the likely list of players at #25...

Is there anyone on this list that people don't like?
With my few minutes of research, I would be happy with any of these players - it's just a matter of how Austin & team rank these players

 

[bmaurizio]

Let's get back to the likely list of players at #25...

Is there anyone on this list that people don't like?
With my few minutes of research, I would be happy with any of these players - it's just a matter of how Austin & team rank these players

Any one of these players and we’d be rampaging with joy, at p 25- 27, they’d all be great pick up.

Tyler Sonsie 10-30
Arlo Draper 15-30
Matthew Johnson 8-20
Josh Sinn 10-20

Yes to Zac Taylor 20-30 a realistic possibility for Baggers , Zac a favorite of mine would be great choice too , has a little of Serong about him, hardness, speed agility, footy IQ, like him, good footballer

 

[Arr0w]

Johnson, Sonsie, Sinn will be gone by 25. Draper also unlikely

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I think the Pom (Blue Abroad) said it first.

Reckon Austin has his eyes firmly on someone who might be a bit of an outlier....

 

[JuddgementDay]

Johnson, Sonsie, Sinn will be gone by 25. Draper also unlikely

Most likely, but are there any in that list that you wouldn’t like Austin to call out?

 

[Ash24]

I think Pom (Blue Abroad) said it first.

Reckon Austin has his eyes firmly on someone who might be a bit of an outlier....

Blake Howes, Connor MacDonald and Judson Clarke are some of those names.

 

[JuddgementDay]

I keep reading and I can accept most of the nominated players.
We will get a good player at #25.

If I have to choose a player, I would focus on the following areas:

1. KPP - our stock is pretty thin. So if there is one available, why wait till next year?​

2. Xfactor - we just need a bit more Xfactor in our team​

Who are available around #25 for the above?

• Rhett Bazzo
• Jesse Motlop
• Leek Alleer

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

From AFL Draft Central:


#27 Blake Howes

Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro | Forward/Wing
07/04/2003 | 190cm | 79kg
September Ranking: #26

Snapshot:

One of the best athletes available in this year’s draft, Howes boasts a terrific aerial game but also competes well at ground level and shows promising versatility. While unranked last month, Howes is one who previously featured in our top 25 and is a player who should be well known to keen draft watchers. He was an All Australian at Under 16 level, plying his trade as a high-marking medium forward with wonderful athleticism and clean hands. While he started the year off in that usual forward post, Howes has since shown his versatility with a shift to the wing and is a classic high-ceiling type of prospect. He was included in this year’s initial AFL Academy intake and continues to back up that selection with form fitting of his potential as a mainstay in the Sandringham Dragons’ side.

Last month:

Howes would have benefitted greatly from even more time on the field, but can look forward to showcasing his athleticism should Victoria’s Metro pool get the opportunity to complete combine testing.

 

[bmaurizio]

Johnson, Sonsie, Sinn will be gone by 25. Draper also unlikely

Yup most likely but they're all gone , but sliders happen every draft, we sapped up Carroll last year, in early 40s a steal , most of the year he was rated early 20s/late !st round. realistically one would be comfortable with any one of Butler, Taylor , Sheldrick, Motlop or Clarke all quality younsters