Analysis Cam Guthrie

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Always like guthrie, thought he had some talent but now I'm not so sure.

Shows signs one week then plays like a first year player the next.

Is the issue that we move him around to much? should he play as purely a tagger, midfield, backline? Bews is developing fantastically as a shutdown small backman so he can't go their. Maybe as a pure shutdown tagger, ignore the ball and stop their best player? not to sure about that Heppel got a heap of touches on him and he is no Fyfe or Dangerfield.

Maybe we are over-rating him?

Where is he at right now and what are your expectations?
 
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SJ said:
Wasn't he one of our best in a smacking last week?

Who cares if he doesn't rack it up in a piss-easy win.
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Are you happy with his input? I was hoping for a consistent 25 touches a week. He might not have racked it up but his opponent certainly did.

He has been touched up a couple of times this year
 

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He's tracking ok.
Maybe he is being thrown around.

I have no idea how he was used last night. Maybe someone who was at the game can advise.
I saw some highlights of Heppel and Guthrie wasn't on him. Maybe he rolled on and off him?

I love it when Guthrie gives the don't argue, and then takes off.
Personally I want to see lots more of that.

I'll agree with Bateman on one thing. He does ball watch a bit. And he is reactionary to an extent.
Could just be that he's tagging and still learning when to peel off.

That's easier said than done when we are continually getting smashed in clearances.
 
I would say he's being given different roles each week. He was a very versatile player as a junior, and has done the job in a variety of positions at senior level for us. Without knowing exactly what is being asked of him each week, I don't think he's in line for an inquisition. Let's not forget, we've got a few different holes to fill at the moment.

There's a big difference between what is actually expected of him and what each individual supporter expects of him.
 
goodoldcats said:
Are you happy with his input? I was hoping for a consistent 25 touches a week. He might not have racked it up but his opponent certainly did.

He has been touched up a couple of times this year
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Can not question his intensity and effort. Heppell is a class act and despite his numbers, was often under pressure.
IMO, is progressing really well, and CS is trying to use him in varying positions as the need arises, and he never looks out of place. Occasionally his sheer stature appears a little underdeveloped for some of his roles.
But just because he was quiet last night, does it warrant criticism?
Lang played a role last pm and had heaps of the ball. Not all players can amass the numbers every week in a team performance.
I like him a lot.
 
I love his fend offs. Every week I see a couple. Gets tackled standing up, and he just pushes his opponent away and runs.

Starting to be a signature move, and he does not even look that strong.
 

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Whit3y said:
an inspired or insiped signing?
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A player we basically got for nothing who can fill a role if we need him for me. Nothing to be upset about, I initially had hopes for him but Gregson/Lang have made that spot their own and that's not a bad thing
 
I think he's doing fine. He seems to be our new Mr Fix-it. Goes back when we need him to, tags sometimes and plays as an on ball accumulator at others. Often all 3 roles in a game or even a quarter. Hard to be consistent when you get thrown around like that.
I think with more midfield depth we would be able to settle Guthrie in a position or role that best suits his strengths and then we would see the best of him.
 
Willo_ said:
A player we basically got for nothing who can fill a role if we need him for me. Nothing to be upset about, I initially had hopes for him but Gregson/Lang have made that spot their own and that's not a bad thing
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Blease - Thats a totally fair assessment... I do think we could have found a spot for him more often than we have considering the injury list. At his age , he should be getting selected before others but he isn't. So is it his form? From the stats , from what I have seen , he has at least as much form as Lux. Is it the non-game stuff. Is it that although he could fill a spot , the clubs sees more upside in other players. Hard to tell atm. But if we lose more than 7 players at years end and he is not kept then there is obviously something that we are not seeing. Certainly the advances of Lang , Gregson etc have not helped him.. and if we brought in another couple of gun mids , it would not be easier.

On Guthrie - not sure why there is any question at all. Surely not based on stats alone. If I was to be critical of him... I think his set shots are a little bit flakey for a mid , occasionally his foot skills are off.... but these are no different to so many players. All have deficiencies. Guthire is in our top 15 MIP , he has leadership , his a little different which is good , he plays for the side , he plays hard yet is not thug ... I could go on but I feel no need to justify his position. Talk about him being dropped is a very unique way of looking at our side imo
 
Whit3y said:
fair call
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Don't worry if we had traded for him or given up something I'd have a different attitude. We maybe could have brought in an extra player in the draft but we still added 7 to our list there anyway
 
Turbocat said:
On Guthrie - not sure why there is any question at all. Surely not based on stats alone. If I was to be critical of him... I think his set shots are a little bit flakey for a mid , occasionally his foot skills are off.... but these are no different to so many players. All have deficiencies. Guthire is in our top 15 MIP , he has leadership , his a little different which is good , he plays for the side , he plays hard yet is not thug ... I could go on but I feel no need to justify his position. Talk about him being dropped is a very unique way of looking at our side imo
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Don't think he will be dropped. Just hoped he would have come on a bit more than he has. He is no Ablett, bartel level midfielder.. hell he isn't even a kelly/corey level midfielder. Thought he would be better than he is, still only shows flashes of being a consistent midfielder

Vdubs said:
Can not question his intensity and effort. Heppell is a class act and despite his numbers, was often under pressure.
IMO, is progressing really well, and CS is trying to use him in varying positions as the need arises, and he never looks out of place. Occasionally his sheer stature appears a little underdeveloped for some of his roles.
But just because he was quiet last night, does it warrant criticism?
Lang played a role last pm and had heaps of the ball. Not all players can amass the numbers every week in a team performance.
I like him a lot.
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Strengths:
Plays in various positions

Weaknesses:
Doesn't get enough of the ball when he plays midfield
Opponent gets 25-30 touches when he is tagging
Gets caught ball-watching
 
goodoldcats said:
Don't think he will be dropped. Just hoped he would have come on a bit more than he has. He is no Ablett, bartel level midfielder.. hell he isn't even a kelly/corey level midfielder. Thought he would be better than he is, still only shows flashes of being a consistent midfielder
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Read the Review thread. There have been some comments like that.

He is no..... you do realise he has only played 75 odd games. It would be interesting to see where he sit with those guys in their 5th year .. not sure if someone like Teriyakicat can help with that.

On how good you think he will be again.. Bartel and Corey.. single figure draft picks , Kelly top 20 ... Id say he is tracking fine.. but thats just me.
 
Has loads of natural ability but has been thrown around in a lot of different positions and that has hindered his development.

He is already a regular player who would not even be discussed as being dropped. Well ensconced in 22.

That is going well in terms of an AFL career.

I never thought he was the All Australian caliber player most Geelong fans thought he was so I am probably not that suprised by his steady - rather than spectacular - development.

Thurlow is that elite talent, but Guthrie still might play 200 senior games. He is no mug.
 

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