Build a Dam

[Qsaint]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22715402-5000117,00.html

I know its Bolt but he is making some sense

Last Week 12,000,000,000 litres went down the Mitchell in Gipsland in June the entire water usuage of greater Melbourne for a year

I particularly like the Weir and pump the water to fill the Thompson, Victoria's largest Dam which would be cheaper than pipeing water from the North of the state

 

[1jasonoz]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22715402-5000117,00.html

I know its Bolt but he is making some sense

Last Week 12,000,000,000 litres went down the Mitchell in Gipsland in June the entire water usuage of greater Melbourne for a year

I particularly like the Weir and pump the water to fill the Thompson, Victoria's largest Dam which would be cheaper than pipeing water from the North of the state

Stayed in Sarsfield just east of Barnsdale from friday midday until monday lunch time- it rained heavily non stop for almsot the entire time we were there, except for a 2 hour window on saturday.

We checked out the BOM site and we had 70mm in a 36 hour period.

 

[kolchak]

Labor tells me it doesn't rain.

You must be making this up.

 

[- PC -]

How long would it take to make a hole in the ground?

All the desal plants and all the pipes wont be as cheap as a hole in the ground and a few walls

 

[MacMum]

I guess the politicians haven't stopped to think how the people in the Outback survive! It can go years without rain up there, but they still survive.....how?? by being prepared for when it does!!.....they have tanks, dams, even one place I saw an article on, had a huge underground bunker tank thing to hold the water, to get them through until the next big rains.....Memo to all pollies out there!! Its called BEING PREPARED, TO CATCH EVERY DROP WHEN IT DOES RAIN!!! That means building dams in appropriate places, every household and business having tanks (even if only for garden and washing cars)....but hey, what do we the little people know?! Common sense pollies please!

 

[camsmith]

Been saying it for years.

But no, lets not build any more dams because dams dont make it rain

 

[Qsaint]

How long would it take to make a hole in the ground?

All the desal plants and all the pipes wont be as cheap as a hole in the ground and a few walls

A large new Dam will cost a billion, but the other thing to consider is we haven't build one for forty odd years, the other ones will have to be rebuilt eventually

Now believe it or not the Pipeline from the Nth Victoria to melb is going to cost 750 million and then you have to pay for the Pumping

The Aberfeldy passes withtin 2 F****** Km's of the Thompson Dam; a weir and pipeline will probably only cost 10's of millions. The Aberfeldy last week put 19,000,000,000 litres into the Sea


Now this is not even counting the cost of the flooding, this happened alot around Brisbane and the Dam it all and now the flood area is Qld's food bowl

 

[1jasonoz]

A large new Dam will cost a billion, but the other thing to consider is we haven't build one for forty odd years, the other ones will have to be rebuilt eventually

Where do we build the damns, what towns will be closed down and flooded, what businesses will have to be closed down?

Look at the QLD government right now attempting to dam the Mary River- the trouble they are encountering.

Everyone wants more water but doesn't want their house, their town our their little bit of heaven touched to provide it.

 

[campbell]

Where do we build the damns, what towns will be closed down and flooded, what businesses will have to be closed down?

Look at the QLD government right now attempting to dam the Mary River- the trouble they are encountering.

Everyone wants more water but doesn't want their house, their town our their little bit of heaven touched to provide it.

In QLd, we need a new dam. One somewhere in the Sunshine Coast Hinterland would be real good. Their dam is always full. I think they have sighted this one in the wrong place. Although the top end of the coast is getting another hammering rain wise in the last few days.

 

[Qsaint]

Where do we build the damns, what towns will be closed down and flooded, what businesses will have to be closed down?

Look at the QLD government right now attempting to dam the Mary River- the trouble they are encountering.

Everyone wants more water but doesn't want their house, their town our their little bit of heaven touched to provide it.

I don't think its an issue. I went to the Otways last week every decent water catchment, valley etc is planted with softwood, surely this is the same in Gipsland. Anyway as I said at least build the weir and keep the Tompson Full

 

[Ripper]

Where do we build the damns, what towns will be closed down and flooded, what businesses will have to be closed down?

Look at the QLD government right now attempting to dam the Mary River- the trouble they are encountering.

Everyone wants more water but doesn't want their house, their town our their little bit of heaven touched to provide it.

You get the same arguments when the state needs to build tunnels or underground railway stations.

The projects still go ahead becuase they are needed for the greater good.

 

[1jasonoz]

You get the same arguments when the state needs to build tunnels or underground railway stations.

The projects still go ahead becuase they are needed for the greater good.

Re the tunnels and underground railway station argument- what houses in perth have had to be shut to allow the building of the above infrastructure?

Want to show me web sites like the one below directed at the building of tunnnels or underground railway stations;

http://www.savethemaryriver.com/

Want to provide a link to the site showing us whole towns protesting over the building of tunnels and underground railway station

 

[Qsaint]

Re the tunnels and underground railway station argument- what houses in perth have had to be shut to allow the building of the above infrastructure?

Want to show me web sites like the one below directed at the building of tunnnels or underground railway stations;

http://www.savethemaryriver.com/

Want to provide a link to the site showing us whole towns protesting over the building of tunnels and underground railway station

Its hardly the Frankilin and a bad comparison Mary river population would be at a higher density than Gipsland, the water catchment area could be huge. At the end of the day its got to be built, what annoys me about green ludities is they think the do nothing approach is always the right one

http://www.econews.org.au/2Mary-River-Dam-Map.pdf

 

[- PC -]

Re the tunnels and underground railway station argument- what houses in perth have had to be shut to allow the building of the above infrastructure?

Want to show me web sites like the one below directed at the building of tunnnels or underground railway stations;

http://www.savethemaryriver.com/

Want to provide a link to the site showing us whole towns protesting over the building of tunnels and underground railway station

Reclamation of houses and businesses go on all the time

The Graham Farmer Freeway reclaimed businesses and so is the Mandurah Perth rail line

The clever people sell

 

[understudy]

Havent heard anyone proposing a dam in Gippsland, thought the Liberals proposed a dam out the west of Melbourne somewhere in the election ...

Guess it comes down to how predictable the rainfall is, will it continue to rain out Gippsland way or were the last two floods freak events.

Its pretty hard to put dams everywhere just in case it rains and its a bit late saying we should have put a dam in x after it p isses down out there.

 

[Qsaint]

Havent heard anyone proposing a dam in Gippsland, thought the Liberals proposed a dam out the west of Melbourne somewhere in the election ...

Guess it comes down to how predictable the rainfall is, will it continue to rain out Gippsland way or were the last two floods freak events.

Its pretty hard to put dams everywhere just in case it rains and its a bit late saying we should have put a dam in x after it p isses down out there.

It rains down there all the time its Australia's prime dairy country more Cattle per acre than anywhere else. The Weir for the Thompson was planned 30 years ago, just no ones bothered to do anything.

 

[understudy]

It rains down there all the time its Australia's prime dairy country more Cattle per acre than anywhere else. The Weir for the Thompson was planned 30 years ago, just no ones bothered to do anything.

If thats the case funny the liberals didnt run with it in the state election ..

Im not sure, but Id be interested in any links or information you can provide on it.

 

[1jasonoz]

Its hardly the Frankilin and a bad comparison Mary river population would be at a higher density than Gipsland, the water catchment area could be huge. At the end of the day its got to be built, what annoys me about green ludities is they think the do nothing approach is always the right one

http://www.econews.org.au/2Mary-River-Dam-Map.pdf

Which parts of the Gippsland would be damned-what cities and towns would have to be evacuated, and what sort of financial payments would the government have to pay to clear these areas?

The QLD government is being attacked by the people in the Mary River region saying they aren't going to be re-inbursed sufficently, lost family homes and business etc.

Whats the do nothing approach?

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Which parts of the Gippsland would be damned-what cities and towns would have to be evacuated, and what sort of financial payments would the government have to pay to clear these areas?

The QLD government is being attacked by the people in the Mary River region saying they aren't going to be re-inbursed sufficently, lost family homes and business etc.

Whats the do nothing approach?

Mitchell River is one river that people have talked about and supposedly it was the next "big" dam to be built after the completion of the Thomson in 1983.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

If thats the case funny the liberals didnt run with it in the state election ..

Im not sure, but Id be interested in any links or information you can provide on it.

the liberals oppose it

both parties support legislation stopping the damming of rivers

only the nationals and maybe some of the minor parties like family first support it.

 

[camsmith]

If thats the case funny the liberals didnt run with it in the state election..

They didn't. They too were scared of the political damage. We need the government in power to grow some balls and make tough decisions that may be unpopular in the short term. Unfortunately recent state Vic governments haven't had that when it comes to dams.

 

[1jasonoz]

Mitchell River is one river that people have talked about and supposedly it was the next "big" dam to be built after the completion of the Thomson in 1983.

Just realised that would the river flowing through Bairnsdale- that would mean Bairnsdale would be flooded then?

 

[understudy]

They didn't. They too were scared of the political damage. We need the government in power to grow some balls and make tough decisions that may be unpopular in the short term. Unfortunately recent state Vic governments haven't had that when it comes to dams.

Maybe its just not a good idea, I dont know much about it and suspect neither do you.

Its not really conclusive enough to say we must build a dam in area x after it floods a couple of times like you and Bolt have, it requires far more serious analysis and investigation.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Just realised that would the river flowing through Bairnsdale- that would mean Bairnsdale would be flooded then?

I don't know where on the river it would have been. There is a national park on the river, I think that's where the site was (they made it into a N.P to stop any building of the dam).

I don't really know the area that well.

 

[camsmith]

Maybe its just not a good idea, I dont know much about it and suspect neither do you.

Its not really conclusive enough to say we must build a dam in area x after it floods a couple of times like you and Bolt have, it requires far more serious analysis and investigation.

Not a lot, but enough.

The fact (IIRC) that the Mitchell is the fasting flowing river in this part of the world should be reason enough, also the fact that a dam there could give us almost as much water as all the current dams in Victoria. I agree it requires far more analysis and investigations.. but as it stands now, we're not even close to even having that.

At worse, the weir idea Bolt mentions should be investigated and probably implemented. It just frustrates me that the government wont even look into these things and instead of blaming lack of forward thinking and adequate water infrastructure, they go for the easy route and blame climate change (and/or Johnny Howard).