Updated Bruce Lehrmann * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann r*ped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

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[Kurve]

How did I manage that? An investigation doesn't commence until after the complainant lodges a formal complaint.

You posted that investigations aren't carried out on behalf of the victim.

 

[Kwality]

The footage exists, it isn't possible imo that it didn't.

At that age, after what she drank through the evening with independent witness which was copious imo and mixing with shots as the evening wore on, I don't doubt it at all that she was as intoxicated as she ever has been.

Note that the claim over the existence or not of the CCTV is not mine.

 

[Kurve]

Did you manage to catch the texts BH sent to her boyfriend about a month prior to 'the night' in question, that were included yesterday? Something about there needed to be a sex scandal?

Yes of course and it lacked the necessary context. We had a discussion in here about it.

 

[Kwality]

They are actually carried out on the victim's behalf and a victim can request an investigation.

You are referring to the complainant, as Sofronoff will no doubt address in his report, imoh.

 

[gymjam]

You posted that investigations aren't carried out on behalf of the victim.

What I wrote is my understanding of legal processes. eg She meets with police to report the alleged sexual assault, police consider her report and connected allegations. Police launch their inquiries/investigations to ascertain if her facts (as she has stated) can be validated. If something is discovered that doesn't offer a validation or support her allegations or that there is a concerning background, then she is questioned further. That process does not support the alleged complainant imo.

Here is a screengrab of part of a document put up on screen at the Inquiry during Moller's testimony on Monday 22nd and it gave me a total sickening WTF moment! During his testimony, Moller had stated BH had initially refused investigators access to her phone.

 

[gymjam]

Yes of course and it lacked the necessary context. We had a discussion in here about it.

and what 'context' do you refer to please?

 

[gymjam]

Was there any available dna evidence like underwear (or was she not wearing knickers - this came out very early when the allegations were initially raised), any other underwear, the dress she had worn, the leather couch (on which the alleged sexual assault occurred), what about the clothing items BL had worn, clean-up debris in rubbish containers in offices or toilets ? Where was the dress location relevant to the alleged sexual assault scene?

 

[gymjam]

Perhaps not in your case but I cant help but think more broadly that the criticism of the Commissioner's advocacy and support for Higgins is a smokescreen to disguise resentfulness and push towards further isolating and weakening victims of crime, rape more specifically, alleged or not.

I have a personal belief that tight suppression orders should be put into place covering non-publication of names of the complainant and the alleged assailant; that lasts until the Trial is concluded, including any period in which an appeal can be launched.

 

[Festerz]

Was there any available dna evidence like underwear (or was she not wearing knickers - this came out very early when the allegations were initially raised), any other underwear, the dress she had worn, the leather couch (on which the alleged sexual assault occurred), what about the clothing items BL had worn, clean-up debris in rubbish containers in offices or toilets ? Where was the dress location relevant to the alleged sexual assault scene?

You're just embarrassing yourself now Sherlock.

The first criminal trial of Bruce Lehrmann was abandoned by the judge in October 2022 due to juror misconduct. A second trial did not proceed due to prosecutors’ fears for his alleged victim's mental health.

An independent inquiry is now being held into the actions of key players leading up to and during that trial process.

Raising a carefully created list of matters now, out of context, three years after the events were said to have happened and many months after the criminal trial was aborted (and when they have already been discussed ad nauseam in this thread) is more than pointless.

 

[gymjam]

You're just embarrassing yourself now Sherlock.

The first criminal trial of Bruce Lehrmann was abandoned by the judge in October 2022 due to juror misconduct. A second trial did not proceed due to prosecutors’ fears for his alleged victim's mental health.

An independent inquiry is now being held into the actions of key players leading up to and during that trial process.

Raising a carefully created list of matters now, out of context, three years after the events were said to have happened and many months after the criminal trial was aborted (and when they have already been discussed ad nauseam in this thread) is more than pointless.

I raised those points because I was not able to keep up with the actual (now aborted) Trial. The matters I raised imo would be valuable in steps to validate if a sexual interaction had actually taken place and the investigation of such would not necessarily be done in support of the alleged offense claimant. Your reference to 'sherlock' is astounding imo. I am here just to participate and give my opinion and to interact with people who have an interest --- just like me. Thankyou 'poirot'.

 

[Kurve]

What I wrote is my understanding of legal processes. eg She meets with police to report the alleged sexual assault, police consider her report and connected allegations. Police launch their inquiries/investigations to ascertain if her facts (as she has stated) can be validated. If something is discovered that doesn't offer a validation or support her allegations or that there is a concerning background, then she is questioned further. That process does not support the alleged complainant imo.

Here is a screengrab of part of a document put up on screen at the Inquiry during Moller's testimony on Monday 22nd and it gave me a total sickening WTF moment! During his testimony, Moller had stated BH had initially refused investigators access to her phone.

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[Kurve]

I have a personal belief that tight suppression orders should be put into place covering non-publication of names of the complainant and the alleged assailant; that lasts until the Trial is concluded, including any period in which an appeal can be launched.

Queensland's one of the last Australian jurisdictions that prevents a person charged with serious sexual offences from being named until they're committed to stand trial and that's about to change as new laws will be introduced in Parliament, this week I think.

The legislative change was one of 188 recommendations from the state’s Womens Safety and Justice Taskforce.

Former attorney general Shannon Fentiman – now Queensland’s health minister - said she was “looking forward” to the introduction of the “significant piece of legislation”.

 

[Festerz]

The matters I raised imo would be valuable in steps to validate if a sexual interaction had actually taken place

Nah - you've stated your bias by posing selected loaded and rhetorical questions that have been dealt with previously and during the trial and in this thread.

Rather than doing some basic google research or going back and reading through this thread to get some clarity on old issues and answer your supposed 'questions' you are doing a bit of old fashioned muck-raking.

Nothing to stop you from doing that of course - this is an open forum.

But don't think your agenda isn't transparent.

 

[Kurve]

NSW has initiated a new program where reporting a sexual assault can be made online, at own pace and in privacy. A SARO's primary purpose is to make a record of what happened and for the police to gather information on offences and offending.

When an online report's been made, if the request for no contact with police directly isn't made, a detective will respond and ask if you want the matter to be investigated, it's a choice.

Adult Sexual Assault - NSW Police Force

portal.police.nsw.gov.au

 

[gymjam]

Nah - you've stated your bias by posing selected loaded and rhetorical questions that have been dealt with previously and during the trial and in this thread.

Rather than doing some basic google research or going back and reading through this thread to get some clarity on old issues and answer your supposed 'questions' you are doing a bit of old fashioned muck-raking.

Nothing to stop you from doing that of course - this is an open forum.

But don't think your agenda isn't transparent.

If I have an agenda and choose to post information - it is because I am transparent, totally different than people that have hidden agendas and are game players. It had just located this media report - shows everything that was wrong with this case from the very beginning. No evidence to support an actual sexual assault. Supposed alleged crime scene wiped clean. well well well who was have guessed that would have happened hey. This document makes the best reading of what actually occurred during the AFP investigations. https://www.cjsinquiry.act.gov.au/_...-dated-22-April-2023-WIT.0033.0005.0001_R.pdf

My agenda is to learn the truth as truthful as it can be told by those that know.

Over to you Poirot and enough slanging.

 

[gymjam]

NSW has initiated a new program where reporting a sexual assault can be made online, at own pace and in privacy. A SARO's primary purpose is to make a record of what happened and for the police to gather information on offences and offending.

When an online report's been made, if the request for no contact with police directly isn't made, a detective will respond and ask if you want the matter to be investigated, it's a choice.

Adult Sexual Assault - NSW Police Force

portal.police.nsw.gov.au

A great first move. I am hopeful all States will follow this example.

Thanks for the link - most interesting read!

 

[gymjam]

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Cheers for that. I think the finding of these texts would have rattled the AFP investigation team members no end. It certainly at first glance, gives an impression of an ulterior motive at play compounded by what occurred about one-month later. I have always thought given the 'expert' use of media by manipulation by both BH and her boyfriend, that pointed to experience or prior personal media contacts. Would like to discover what that prior experience involved.

The 'expert' use also included manner of dressing by BH during her very public speeches; white for 'purity' at the Canberra-based public speaking engagements to match the colour of the dress she wore on the (2019) night in question. Interesting imo.

 

[Kurve]

first glance

And not really thinking it through.

I have always thought given the 'expert' use of media by manipulation by both BH and her boyfriend, that pointed to experience or prior personal media contacts. Would like to discover what that prior experience involved.

Higgins was Assistant Media Advisor when she resigned her job at Parlit House.

white for 'purity'

Really? Is that your opinion? What's your inference here?

It's commonly held that Higgins who actually wears a lot of white, was wearing 'suffragette white'.

 

[gymjam]

And not really thinking it through.



Higgins was Assistant Media Advisor when she resigned her job at Parlit House.



Really? Is that your opinion? What's your inference here?

It's commonly held that Higgins who actually wears a lot of white, was wearing 'suffragette white'.

Suffragette white well that shows what real agendas were in those public meetings where BH attended. Interesting prior job - she had pre-existing media contact and launched her campaign.

White is also commonly used to signify 'purity'. Why white is a colour of purity that might just have killed you

How White Impact Moods, Feelings, and Behaviors

The color white can have many meanings, including purity, starkness, and cleanliness. Learn the psychology, meanings, associations, and symbolism of white color.

www.verywellmind.com

Many photos on her instagram pages show she wears a lot of bright colours.

The text messages would have put the thoughts clearly in the mind of investigators - did she set this 'scandal' up? The timing of when she finally gave access to AFP investigators to her 2 telephones - Moller stated today it was their 8th or 9th attempt to gain access to her phones. You'd have to ask the obvious question - why the delay?

 

[Kurve]

Just FYI, Moller has a demonstrated history of reaching out to Heidi Yates through operational matters and in at least one case requested her 'support' assistance. Moller has also expressed a need for and willingness to work more closely with Heidi Yates and her office.

EDIT: Which is different to what he said yesterday

 

[Kurve]

The text messages would have put the thoughts clearly in the mind of investigators - did she set this 'scandal' up? The timing of when she finally gave access to AFP investigators to her 2 telephones - Moller stated today it was their 8th or 9th attempt to gain access to her phones. You'd have to ask the obvious question - why the delay?

Higgins made a successful claim against Linda Reynolds for calling her a 'lying cow'. Higgins also received a personal apology from Scott Morrison in parliament, televised to the whole country.

Any suggestion she made the whole thing up risks defamation.

Who cares why there was a delay when she eventually handed her phones over? Higgins might have been worried about losing the entire history on her phones, which I understand happened. Maybe she needed time to make copies of everything, file it all correctly and secure them.

I wouldn't be just passing my phones over to the AFP either without formalisation and two or even three copies of the entire contents.

 

[Festerz]

Well well.

As I posted previously, anyone who had bothered to read the ACT Victims of Crime legislation would have known this.

But it seems Mr Moller a lead criminal investigative officer in the AFP, just don't feel they need to bother with little details like legislation and facts. Too busy playing politics and messing around on social media I guess.

"I have now looked at the [legislation] and I can absolutely see that it's within the role for Ms Yates to be involved in matters like this as a support person if she chooses to," he said.

 

[Festerz]

 

[Festerz]

WTAF:

In response to questioning about his organisation's staggeringly low prosecution rate for sexual assault cases, Det. Supt Scott Moller tells the Independent Inquiry that the ACT Policing sexual assault and child abuse team as 'a training ground for budding detectives'

'Training ground': Sexual assault investigators 'learning on the job'

Almost none of them have done specialist training, an inquiry has heard.

www.canberratimes.com.au

The 2021 report by the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Steering Committee shows that based on 2020 figures, only 2.8% of sexual assault investigations in the ACT had resulted in charges being laid against an offender after 30 days, compared with the national average of 17.4%.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Well well.

As I posted previously, anyone who had bothered to read the ACT Victims of Crime legislation would have known this.

But it seems Mr Moller a lead criminal investigative officer in the AFP, just don't feel they need to bother with little details like legislation and facts. Too busy playing politics and messing around on social media I guess.

"I have now looked at the [legislation] and I can absolutely see that it's within the role for Ms Yates to be involved in matters like this as a support person if she chooses to," he said.

Considering you obviously have, which section of the legislation allows it?