Brendan McArdle - Call for Warney

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Romeo, you've come up with the same old chicken scratchings for an argument! You need some new material.:rolleyes:

Do you realise that Warne has played One Day cricket before? He didn't have men round the bat then and dominated! Whats the difference now? He loves batsman trying to attack him.

You just seem to ignore the fact Warne was returning from injury in the 1999 Windies tour. You seem to ignore his record. In fact, you seem to ignore anything positive at all about Warne that might suggest he could be handy at the World Cup!

You are good for a laugh though Romeo.:D
 

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Good posting Buddha. With your initial "dribble" post I thought you were a staunch yobbo who wouldn't hear a bad word against Warnie (much like just maybe :p) but you put up some decent arguments and you have indeed smashed Romeo.
 
likka said:
Hasn't played a ODI for over 4 years, and has never bowled well in Caribbean. Last time he played test cricket there he was actually dropped IIRC.

Great player he was, but his time has past. Any other ideas are false delusions of grandeur.

:rolleyes: FFS get a life, girlfriend, boyfried or something. A statement like that is just plain sad.
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A statement like that is just plain sad, I'd tell you to remove the rod you obviously have up your arse, but you probably enjoy it too much.

Warne is the most feared bowler in World Cricket, his time is past?

He was dropped 8 years ago, returning from an injury which some specialists said could prevent him ever playing again. If you don't think that Warne is a much smarter, much more dangerous bowler now than he was 8 years ago, then you're so stupid it amazes me you can remain upright.

You and Romeo are as stupid and as clueless as each other, go join a Saffer or Pommy website, you obviously prefer them.

Those stats posted about Warney vs the West Indies show how dumb your argument is, not to mention that in the 99 World Cup he almost single-handedly won it for us.
 
King Elvis said:
Warne is the most feared bowler in World Cricket, his time is past?
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He has officially retired... yes his time is past. Retired from ODI four years ago. He was great, but his body is stuffed... barely made it through the test series this summer.

This has nothing to do with what he has achieved in the past, I simply do not believe he is physically up to ODI cricket now.

Could he improve the current ODI team? With proper preparation he undoubtedly could, but he's been lying on a beach for the past month.

To say his inclusion guarantees WC glory is pure nonsense, even Warne would openly admit to that.

No run along and spank yourself silly next to your Warne shrine.
 
likka said:
This has nothing to do with what he has achieved in the past, I simply do not believe he is physically up to ODI cricket now.
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Oh please. Trundling in and bowling 10 overs of leg-spin?

What a strenuous effort that would be. :rolleyes:
 
just maybe said:
Oh please. Trundling in and bowling 10 overs of leg-spin?

What a strenuous effort that would be. :rolleyes:
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Would be a massive effort for the unfit bastard.

Only someone who'd bowl 30 odd overs unchanged on a day in the low 30s and single-handedly win the unwinnable Test would have the fitness to do that.
 
He wasn't named in the 30-man squad, so I don't think the selectors were keen; and Warne hasn't showed interest to make a little comeback down the track. If he was available to play I've got no doubt we would have selected him for the World Cup; he's a champion bowler and he always fires up when he's called upon to break the game open, but he's retired - we have to respect that (his decision) and move on.
 
likka said:
Hasn't played a ODI for over 4 years, and has never bowled well in Caribbean. Last time he played test cricket there he was actually dropped IIRC.

Great player he was, but his time has past. Any other ideas are false delusions of grandeur.



:rolleyes: FFS get a life, girlfriend, boyfried or something. A statement like that is just plain sad.
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And people call likka a biased Victorian? This post proves he isn't :)
 
SorryIHammerChicken said:
And people call likka a biased Victorian? This post proves he isn't :)
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I am not knocking Warne here, just tempering the delusion that his inclusion in the WC squad will win us the WC.

Without any training, practice or match play it would be folly to include him in the squad.

If he had prepared by playing ODI this summer it would be a different story.

All these nuff nuffs that reckon Warnie can stroll directly from the beach, roll the arm over and dominate the WC are playing with themselves.
 
just maybe said:
You are clueless, Romeo.

It's amazing the criticism you dollop onto actual legends of the game, but you can't screech and bitch and whine and gurgle fast enough when somebody 'DARES' to criticise KP.
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If they mount illogical criticism such as England being better off without KP.

The fact is I did mount a cogent case against Warne playing but you chose to home in on one point and dismiss the whole post as piffle.

If the selectors were really keen to play Warne you'd imagine they could have convinced him out of one day retirement.

Warne's body is stuffed and he knows it. He's consistently refused entreaties to entice him back to the limited version of the game.

As for those figures in the Caribbean, you have to remember that Lara aside, the West Indies were at a low ebb in international cricket. And Lara and Adams really put him to the sword in the tests. For that matter Lara single-handedly destroyed him on a one day match in Australia some years back when Warne was at his prime.

But the real point is, the Windies are the lowest rank nation out of the test teams playing one dayers. It's the gun batsmen from the other nations who play spin well who'll trouble Warne and he knows it.

People seem to blithely dismiss the most pertinent fact of all, the large passage of time between him playing international one day matches. And he's coming off a long break. This is the World Cup ffs, you can't turn form on and off like a tap.

Yes he's done it before winning us matches, but when his body was a lot younger. His test form suggests that he's not as parsimonious as he once was which doesn't augur well for his one day economy.
 

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just maybe said:
So, so true.

He bags players like Warnie and McGrath, but as soon as anyone criticises the relative newbie KP, he raves on wild-eyed about 'how DARE anybody criticise KP WAAAAAAH'.

Unbelievable. Just nuts. It's sickening.
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And it's not bagging Just Maybe, I had the balls to stick my neck out and suggest McGrath was in decline. As mentioned in a previous post this was when Glenn was confidently predicting he'd play until he was 40 and he was in career best form etc. etc. Many are now in furious agreement with me that he's in decline.

Also I get bagged for questioning the status of someone like Yousuf. Far again from simply bagging everybody, I'm one of the few who won't accept everything at face value. I acknowledged that he had a great year (principally on flat decks) and that's he a great player, but I wondered ahead of the SA tour how he'd fare on the more bowler friendly tracks over there. His form of course was nowhere near what he produced on the flat surfaces of Pakistan.
 
Romeo said:
I had the balls to stick my neck out and suggest McGrath was in decline
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BZZZZT. Stop trying to minimise your bullcrap in hindsight. Your exact statements were that he would get tonked in the Tests.

You were badly wrong and now you're trying to rewrite history.

Pathetic.

Also I get bagged for questioning the status of someone like Yousuf. Far again from simply bagging everybody, I'm one of the few who won't accept everything at face value. I acknowledged that he had a great year (principally on flat decks)
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It wasn't principally on flat decks. You're full of it.

and that's he a great player, but I wondered ahead of the SA tour how he'd fare on the more bowler friendly tracks over there. His form of course was nowhere near what he produced on the flat surfaces of Pakistan.
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Load of trash. He produced an absolutely amazing innings of 80-odd and that was as sublime as his 2006 form.

Your arguments are farcical.
 
Romeo said:
If they mount illogical criticism such as England being better off without KP.

The fact is I did mount a cogent case against Warne playing but you chose to home in on one point and dismiss the whole post as piffle.

If the selectors were really keen to play Warne you'd imagine they could have convinced him out of one day retirement.

Warne's body is stuffed and he knows it. He's consistently refused entreaties to entice him back to the limited version of the game.

As for those figures in the Caribbean, you have to remember that Lara aside, the West Indies were at a low ebb in international cricket. And Lara and Adams really put him to the sword in the tests. For that matter Lara single-handedly destroyed him on a one day match in Australia some years back when Warne was at his prime.

But the real point is, the Windies are the lowest rank nation out of the test teams playing one dayers. It's the gun batsmen from the other nations who play spin well who'll trouble Warne and he knows it.

People seem to blithely dismiss the most pertinent fact of all, the large passage of time between him playing international one day matches. And he's coming off a long break. This is the World Cup ffs, you can't turn form on and off like a tap.

Yes he's done it before winning us matches, but when his body was a lot younger. His test form suggests that he's not as parsimonious as he once was which doesn't augur well for his one day economy.
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This is illogical criticism.
 
Let's refute your points then.

Not fit enough.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- In a couple of Tests, he bowled some of the highest number of overs he has during his entire Career.
- He is a spin bowler and slips fielder, he has never been superfit, he's arguably fitter now than he has been for half of his Career.
- He also batted for a considerable amount of time.

Body not up to it.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- He will continue to play for another two years in England.
- He has stated that if we'd lost the Ashes he would've continued until the 2009 Series.

He's past it.
- He single handedly won us a game during the Ashes.
- He made the highest score in one of our Innings.
- Over the last two years he's continued to dominate the World's best batsman.

He'll get carted in the West Indies.
- He might, but so might everyone else, but he'd also take more wickets.
- It's the World Cup. There is no bigger performer on the World's biggest stage; in 99 he almost single-handedly won us the Semi Final and Final. Warne rarely fails to deliver in the big matches.

You crap on about Lara - if you actually read any of the interviews with Lara (Or Sachin) they both constantly state that Warne is the bowler they still fear the most, as even when they've made 50+ runs, they still feel like Warney thinks he's on top of them.

Your reasons for Warne not being a valid option in the World Cup based on form/fitness are absolutely pathetic.
 
King Elvis said:
Let's refute your points then.

Not fit enough.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- He also batted for a considerable amount of time.

Body not up to it.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- He will continue to play for another two years in England.
- He has stated that if we'd lost the Ashes he would've continued until the 2009 Series.

He's past it.
- He single handedly won us a game during the Ashes.
- He made the highest score in one of our Innings.
- Over the last two years he's continued to dominate the World's best batsman.

He'll get carted in the West Indies.
- He might, but so might everyone else, but he'd also take more wickets.
- It's the World Cup. There is no bigger performer on the World's biggest stage; in 99 he almost single-handedly won us the Semi Final and Final. Warne rarely fails to deliver in the big matches.

You crap on about Lara - if you actually read any of the interviews with Lara (Or Sachin) they both constantly state that Warne is the bowler they still fear the most, as even when they've made 50+ runs, they still feel like Warney thinks he's on top of them.

Your reasons for Warne not being a valid option in the World Cup based on form/fitness are absolutely pathetic.
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:thumbsu:
 
King Elvis said:
Let's refute your points then.

Not fit enough.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- In a couple of Tests, he bowled some of the highest number of overs he has during his entire Career.
- He is a spin bowler and slips fielder, he has never been superfit, he's arguably fitter now than he has been for half of his Career.
- He also batted for a considerable amount of time.

Body not up to it.
- He bowled some of the longest spells in his entire career during the past summer.
- He will continue to play for another two years in England.
- He has stated that if we'd lost the Ashes he would've continued until the 2009 Series.

He's past it.
- He single handedly won us a game during the Ashes.
- He made the highest score in one of our Innings.
- Over the last two years he's continued to dominate the World's best batsman.

He'll get carted in the West Indies.
- He might, but so might everyone else, but he'd also take more wickets.
- It's the World Cup. There is no bigger performer on the World's biggest stage; in 99 he almost single-handedly won us the Semi Final and Final. Warne rarely fails to deliver in the big matches.

You crap on about Lara - if you actually read any of the interviews with Lara (Or Sachin) they both constantly state that Warne is the bowler they still fear the most, as even when they've made 50+ runs, they still feel like Warney thinks he's on top of them.

Your reasons for Warne not being a valid option in the World Cup based on form/fitness are absolutely pathetic.
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One day cricket takes a lot more out of a player physically than a day of test cricket; it moves at a much faster pace. Warne would find the tempo a huge move up especially after not playing cricket for 8 weeks + and expecting his 37 year old body to dust off the cobwebs in haste.

IIRC a large part of some of his long spells were bowling over after over around the wicket into the rough something that won't be possible in the WC.

He did do very well in the 99 finals of the Cup but that was 8 years ago and his body has been subject to a lot of wear and tear since then. Nations such as England and South Africa now play him better.

Of course Sachin and Lara will publicly state that they fear Warne but their records against him largely prove otherwise. And you can bet your bottom dollar (especially on recent exposed form) that they fear dangerous quicks more.

I think Warne has more to lose than gain by returning.
 
Romeo said:
One day cricket takes a lot more out of a player physically than a day of test cricket; it moves at a much faster pace. Warne would find the tempo a huge move up especially after not playing cricket for 8 weeks + and expecting his 37 year old body to dust off the cobwebs in haste.

IIRC a large part of some of his long spells were bowling over after over around the wicket into the rough something that won't be possible in the WC.

He did do very well in the 99 finals of the Cup but that was 8 years ago and his body has been subject to a lot of wear and tear since then. Nations such as England and South Africa now play him better.

Of course Sachin and Lara will publicly state that they fear Warne but their records against him largely prove otherwise. And you can bet your bottom dollar (especially on recent exposed form) that they fear dangerous quicks more.

I think Warne has more to lose than gain by returning.
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You've been pounded and now you're resorting to speculative, subjective dribble.

Why don't you ever just withdraw?
 
Romeo said:
One day cricket takes a lot more out of a player physically than a day of test cricket; it moves at a much faster pace. Warne would find the tempo a huge move up especially after not playing cricket for 8 weeks + and expecting his 37 year old body to dust off the cobwebs in haste.

IIRC a large part of some of his long spells were bowling over after over around the wicket into the rough something that won't be possible in the WC.

He did do very well in the 99 finals of the Cup but that was 8 years ago and his body has been subject to a lot of wear and tear since then. Nations such as England and South Africa now play him better.

Of course Sachin and Lara will publicly state that they fear Warne but their records against him largely prove otherwise. And you can bet your bottom dollar (especially on recent exposed form) that they fear dangerous quicks more.

I think Warne has more to lose than gain by returning.
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What a load of crap.

On the last day of the Adelaide Test, he bowled something like 28 overs unchanged, when I think it was 30c +.

The fact that you say that a lot of his long spells were negatively are both irrelevant and more than likely wrong. The majority of the time Warne put in a marathon spell was when he thought he could take the game by the balls and win it for us - Punter has said repeatedly that when Warney senses a win, he will bowl as many overs as is required of him, not wanting a rest.

One Day Cricket, where they bowl 10 overs max in one day, then have a rest, takes more out of them then a game where he might bowl 30 overs a day, two or three days in a row? Again, you must be kidding.

The 99 Finals were 8 years ago, yes, he was recently returned from injury. If you honestly don't believe that Shane Warne is a better bowler now than he was 8 years ago, then you're obviously kidding yourself.

England & South Africa play him better now? He almost single-handedly won the 05 Ashes. He was a major factor in us regaining the Ashes in the recent Series, again, he single-handedly won the Adelaide Test.

In six matches last year he took 29 South African Wickets - without McGrath's help.


Every time you are proven wrong, you bring up some new crap or change the goal posts.

Admit your wrong, and give the tall poppy syndrome a rest.
 
King Elvis said:
What a load of crap.

On the last day of the Adelaide Test, he bowled something like 28 overs unchanged, when I think it was 30c +.

The fact that you say that a lot of his long spells were negatively are both irrelevant and more than likely wrong. The majority of the time Warne put in a marathon spell was when he thought he could take the game by the balls and win it for us - Punter has said repeatedly that when Warney senses a win, he will bowl as many overs as is required of him, not wanting a rest.

One Day Cricket, where they bowl 10 overs max in one day, then have a rest, takes more out of them then a game where he might bowl 30 overs a day, two or three days in a row? Again, you must be kidding.

The 99 Finals were 8 years ago, yes, he was recently returned from injury. If you honestly don't believe that Shane Warne is a better bowler now than he was 8 years ago, then you're obviously kidding yourself.

England & South Africa play him better now? He almost single-handedly won the 05 Ashes. He was a major factor in us regaining the Ashes in the recent Series, again, he single-handedly won the Adelaide Test.

In six matches last year he took 29 South African Wickets - without McGrath's help.


Every time you are proven wrong, you bring up some new crap or change the goal posts.

Admit your wrong, and give the tall poppy syndrome a rest.
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But against England and SA he has been going for a lot more runs than he did previously and in TESTS. Imagine in one day matches when the batsmen take him on. But also in SA he had quite a few wickets as a result of poor decisions. Take a look at the 2nd innings in Durban, 3 of his 6 were as a result of shockers by the umpires.
 
Romeo said:
But against England and SA he has been going for a lot more runs than he did previously and in TESTS. Imagine in one day matches when the batsmen take him on. But also in SA he had quite a few wickets as a result of poor decisions. Take a look at the 2nd innings in Durban, 3 of his 6 were as a result of shockers by the umpires.
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1. Spinners go for runs while they bowl long spells, big deal. It's completely natural, the fact is he hardly ever goes for more than 3 per over at most.

2. If batsmen take him on in ODIs they better do it well, or they're ********ed.

3. Don't care about poor decisions, they happen all the time, very dodgy point to justify how good or bad a bowler is
 

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