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Bonfire in Redfern
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Agreethe elders are disgusted by what happened and so they should be, the behaviour was unacceptable. So the next time White kids riot like they did in WA recently will we see thier elders condemn the act? Not likely.
The majority of the crime Kooris commit is minor, usually Drunk and disorderly (this is the one they are nearly always charged with) possession ( usually marijauna) and petty theft with the occassional car steal.
They are over represented (on a per captia basis) in the above catergories, but are under represented in the major crimes such as murder, rape( Clark not withstanding) and armed robbery. And yet they are over represented in the jail population. Something does not add up. For instance I have a white client who committed over 50 offences before being jailed, these included breaching bail and CBOs which are supposed to be automatic jail sentence offences. Yet I have had Koori clients jailed for ****ing against a fence and then taking a swing at an officer (normal penetly is a fine). Something is not right.
If a crime is committed in my balliwick, it is the Kooris that are always harrassed by the police. They copped a awful going over reagrding some burgs over the past few weeks. Yep it was a white guy that was caught redhanded.
I have had police officers call me regarding personal info about Kooris ( which breech alsorts of privacy laws), but never whites, but yet whites make up 80% of my clients. Why is that? I had one officer outright accuse one Koori of a crime and demand I tell him where he could find him. Even the fact that I was able to vouch where my client was at the time of the offence, did not matter. As far as this officer was concerned, my client was guilty.
As I said the Koori community has problems, but beating them over the head with a stick will not resolve it.
The majority of the crime Kooris commit is minor, usually Drunk and disorderly (this is the one they are nearly always charged with) possession ( usually marijauna) and petty theft with the occassional car steal.
They are over represented (on a per captia basis) in the above catergories, but are under represented in the major crimes such as murder, rape( Clark not withstanding) and armed robbery. And yet they are over represented in the jail population. Something does not add up. For instance I have a white client who committed over 50 offences before being jailed, these included breaching bail and CBOs which are supposed to be automatic jail sentence offences. Yet I have had Koori clients jailed for ****ing against a fence and then taking a swing at an officer (normal penetly is a fine). Something is not right.
If a crime is committed in my balliwick, it is the Kooris that are always harrassed by the police. They copped a awful going over reagrding some burgs over the past few weeks. Yep it was a white guy that was caught redhanded.
I have had police officers call me regarding personal info about Kooris ( which breech alsorts of privacy laws), but never whites, but yet whites make up 80% of my clients. Why is that? I had one officer outright accuse one Koori of a crime and demand I tell him where he could find him. Even the fact that I was able to vouch where my client was at the time of the offence, did not matter. As far as this officer was concerned, my client was guilty.
As I said the Koori community has problems, but beating them over the head with a stick will not resolve it.
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Yes and no.
Yes because the aboriginal community around Redfern percieve themselves as eternal victims of white society - particularly police.
No because if someone breaks the law they have to face the music no matter what colour they are.
because a police officer is going to lock anyone up who has committed a crime. You don't have that ability. Der.
i thought one of the elders came out and congradulated the fools?
oh yeh, minor, well i got my car stolen in 2002, and even tho i got insurance $ back on it, i havent been able 2 afford another one. it might be minor to the ppl who stole it, but its major to me, and all the other ppl who've had their cars stolen.
and as for them and petty theft, well maybe they should try and get jobs doing something constructive instead of stealing off other ppl who are trying to make an honest living.
oh so theyre youre clients, well now i can see why youre safe there, cos youre the one keeping their arses out of jail. seems pretty obvious to me why they like u and not the cops!
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BM
"If you knew suzi, like I knew suzi." so to speak.
When was the last time you were driving around doing your job and had bricks and bottles thrown at your work vehicle?
When was the last time that you were called to a brawl, at 2.00 am, where 20 or so people were attacking each other with sticks, block splitters, axes and anything else they can get their hands on, then decided to turn on you and your partner, with your only assistance a few white men standing aroung protecting their properties?
When was the last time you had a stubby land on the back of your head while doing your job?
When was the last time you brought a house in a quiet part of a country town, only to find 6 months later that a new family is moving in to your street, with 20 or so relations in tow?
"If you knew suzi, like I knew suzi." so to speak.
When was the last time you were driving around doing your job and had bricks and bottles thrown at your work vehicle?
When was the last time that you were called to a brawl, at 2.00 am, where 20 or so people were attacking each other with sticks, block splitters, axes and anything else they can get their hands on, then decided to turn on you and your partner, with your only assistance a few white men standing aroung protecting their properties?
When was the last time you had a stubby land on the back of your head while doing your job?
When was the last time you brought a house in a quiet part of a country town, only to find 6 months later that a new family is moving in to your street, with 20 or so relations in tow?
The tragic part of riots like these, and graffiti and vandalism etc are that the destruction is of their own community. The facilities that could help aleviate the problems are the ones that are made unavailable.
I was reading that the kindergarten has closed due to vandalism, and that bus drivers refuse to drive through the area after having rocks thrown at buses. Child care and public transport could held this community but it is now less available.
If on the other hand they had taken their riot over to North Sydney I am sure we would see a different response.
I was reading that the kindergarten has closed due to vandalism, and that bus drivers refuse to drive through the area after having rocks thrown at buses. Child care and public transport could held this community but it is now less available.
If on the other hand they had taken their riot over to North Sydney I am sure we would see a different response.
Grimfang
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Where is this quote coming from? It's the third time I've seen or heard it with no attribution. If people are going to post a media report or quote, could they please state which media organisation it comes from so others can check it out.
There you go.
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8697338%5E2,00.html
He should be charged with inciting racial hatred and civil disobedience.
Probably what we need is a few more Aborigines prepared to join the police. Someone who understands both sides of this sort of issue might be invaluable.
jim boy
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I think that would be a very good idea. While I don't know the percentage of police who are aboriginal, I suspect they are under-represented. The police force appears to be institutionally racist. By this I give the definition from the Lawrence inquiry in the UK.
Recruiting minority groups into the police force was seen as a vital step in reducing this institutional racism.
Recruiting minority groups is fine, but if they get there via the quota system it does nothing to improve reputations or break down barriers.
That's all well and good, but if Aboriginies, particularly their "leaders" stopped pretending it was 1788 and ended these quasi-seperate societies it we would go a long way to solving these problems. The whole idea of serperate Aboriginal communities does nothing to help the the Aboriginal people. Ghetto's such as Redfern (a Whitlam government initiative I might add) are the worst way to improve Aboriginal living standards. Same goes with special welfare payments for Aboriginies. The best way is through education and employment, to prevent alcohol and drugs becoming a problem, rather than treating it when it happens.
I don't know the direct quote, but it goes something like this:
Give a man a fish and you can feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you can feed him for life
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Where are the South Korean or Indonesian riot police when you need them? They certaintly know how to deal with such problems.
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At least aboriginal liason officers like they have over here walking the streets of Northbridge at night with the cops would be just as good too.
And what are they?
And look a white drunken riot...bloody whites
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,8505329,00.html
On a similar theme, I heard one of the Aboriginal's interviewed making the point that because Redfearn was so bad it tended only to attract cops that were young and up for trouble.
He suggested that many of the more experienced cops transfered out for a quieter life, and many of the moderating influences were absent. The suggestion seems to be that the young punks in uniform aren't too much different from the young punks in the street.
I thought the police handled it very well. Copped a lot but stood firm, without cutting the rioters down.
No matter what comes out, the reason for the riot was the death of a kid, seen by the people of the area as the last straw. Makes for a very sensitive problem - imagine if the same halfwits who in here call for a return to the 'good old days' of the force were in charge the other night, there would have been bloodshed; probably resulting in the death of a few kooris.
The headlines around the world would not be Riots in Sydney but Police Kill Kooris in Sydney Riots.
As for that idiot Liberal pollie trying to pointscore with his call for bulldozers, where did they get that cretin?
No matter what comes out, the reason for the riot was the death of a kid, seen by the people of the area as the last straw. Makes for a very sensitive problem - imagine if the same halfwits who in here call for a return to the 'good old days' of the force were in charge the other night, there would have been bloodshed; probably resulting in the death of a few kooris.
The headlines around the world would not be Riots in Sydney but Police Kill Kooris in Sydney Riots.
As for that idiot Liberal pollie trying to pointscore with his call for bulldozers, where did they get that cretin?
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He's the same point scorer who wants to abolish the prison parole system and has preyed on people who are emotional after some court injustice and has tried to grab their votes with a 'life means life' campaign.
Anyone with a brain who stops to think about it knows that there has to be a parole system. This guy preys on people when they are in an emotional state.
Suddenly, it seems this Brogden fellow makes Doyle or any other main opposition leader in state politics in this country seem extremely reasonable. Does he have any clue? That bulldozer comment rates up there as one of the most inane comments I'll hear this year.
An interesting post, BM. I haven't had the opportunity to live or work with the Koori community as you appear to have, but from my reading I agree there is some serious issues that need to be dealt with, and certainly not with a big stick.
I'm one of those Gen-Xers who is ashamed of the actions of my ancestors. I realise that standards were diffferent in the past, and "that was how things were done back then", and that they possibly didn't know any better. But still, I'm ashamed of the actions of the white settlers and their descendents who oppressed the indigenous people - not just here, but all over the world. I won't deny history, as much as I wish it didn't exist, at times. I guess you could say that I'm sorry.
Unfortunately, however, it seems that so many of the indigenous folk of today have refused to accept the fact that the world has changed irrevocably ... that there is no going back to tribal culture as known by their own ancestors. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good situation ... just that it's the reality.
Like many indigenous people, our aborigines have been devastated by alcohol. Any anthropolgist would be able to tell you that their resistance to the drink is far lower than those of European descent - just look at the way the same problems have wreaked havoc on the American and Alaskan indigenous folk. So that is one of the first ways we might be able to stifle the progress of their descent. It is not removing their rights by depriving their society of grog - it's removing their arch-nemesis.
Our indigenous folk also need to become far smarter. Move away from their seemingly innate persecution complex and simply get smarter. I think the rioters from Sunday night failed to realise that a very high, and increasing, proportion of our population are actually quite sympathetic to their cause. Not everyone's actually prepared to do anything about it, of course, but I still perceive that progress is being made in the minds of the white fella. Bounga jokes are now frowned upon by all but the most stubbornly bigotted elements of our society, whereas just 20 years ago it was a free-for-all. It's not ground-breaking, but it's kinda symbolic of the change in momentum of the public's perception of the black fella. I truly believe that most whites are actually proud of the history of the indigenous folk of this land, and would defend their 40,000 years of lifestyle before our arrival if confronted by an overseas critic of our nations history.
But trying to set fire to young policemen is not smart. Or trying to smash their head in with bricks. That's not smart either. It is just so plainly dumb, and has the potential to upset the whole apple-cart of progress. It then becomes too easy for dills to ring talkback radio or write into newspapers, condemning the entire black population, based on the stupid actions of fuelled-up, pumped-up young rioters. Old racial and rascist stereotypes re-surface, and a new generation, who previously couldn't give a bugger whether someone's black, white or otherwise, get to witness the rascist opinions and jibes spewing from the mouths of those of a previous generation instantly become validated.
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I think it hit the nail on the head too.
[ I think the rioters from Sunday night failed to realise that a very high, and increasing, proportion of our population are actually quite sympathetic to their cause.
I truly believe that most whites are actually proud of the history of the indigenous folk of this land, and would defend their 40,000 years of lifestyle before our arrival if confronted by an overseas critic of our nations history.
and a new generation, who previously couldn't give a bugger whether someone's black, white or otherwise, get to witness the rascist opinions and jibes spewing from the mouths of those of a previous generation instantly become validated. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I totally disagree with all the above, I have lived in Perth for 18 years & I cam tell you that the attitude towards aboriginals hasn't changed one bit.
Maybe it's just WA, but they are still looked down on & stereotyped, look at the thread on the general board, the majority of people who are sledging them are from WA & under 21.
I have quite a few aboriginal friends & I see the way people look at them & hear what they say when we are out at a pub or club..
Even going to the beach, you hear the racist comments from people.
I truly believe that most whites are actually proud of the history of the indigenous folk of this land, and would defend their 40,000 years of lifestyle before our arrival if confronted by an overseas critic of our nations history.
and a new generation, who previously couldn't give a bugger whether someone's black, white or otherwise, get to witness the rascist opinions and jibes spewing from the mouths of those of a previous generation instantly become validated. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I totally disagree with all the above, I have lived in Perth for 18 years & I cam tell you that the attitude towards aboriginals hasn't changed one bit.
Maybe it's just WA, but they are still looked down on & stereotyped, look at the thread on the general board, the majority of people who are sledging them are from WA & under 21.
I have quite a few aboriginal friends & I see the way people look at them & hear what they say when we are out at a pub or club..
Even going to the beach, you hear the racist comments from people.
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