Bock Compensation Pick - Use or keep?

[the ranger]

I'm leaning toward holding onto it. It's not just that it will move up the pecking order but in 2012, there's no team plundering players before the draft even starts like GC and GWS have/will.

That said, I'm sure the club is aware of how strong the drafts are expected to be and how valuable the pick can be in each season, so I'll be happy with whatever they decide to do.

 

[sante]

It probably depends on trade targets for this year etc.

 

[pawleesee]

can we on-trade it to upgrade the pick?

ie:

Compo pick + Thurstfield to GC for pick#15 would be swell.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I was all for holding on to the pick to use in 2012, but thinking about it more I believe we should use it now. 3 years is a long time in footy the majority of our core group will be in the mid 20's and we will have a decent enough idea if they have made it or not.

Getting a young player now will add to the list, in 3 years time if we use the pick then, that player will still be raw and I'd like to think we would already be in our finals window when our core group are mid to late 20's. A pick in the 20's is still very handy even this season. I think we should use it.

Although if you read some of the Carlton posts they believe we should trade it for Grigg LMFAO, deluded fools.

 

[juss]

I would like to secure another top 30 pick, then I'd be holding onto the Compo pick.
I'd hold onto it for the following reasons:
1. Effectively by being patient we can turn a pick that will be 26-30 into a 19-23 pick in what will be an uncomprimised, and reportedly very strong draft.
2. We want quality kids coming through over the next few years. Let's say in 2012 we finish 8th, which is not out of the question. Instead of picks 9,29, we could have 9,19,29. Big boost for an already decent side.
3. In two more years the guys like Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Deledio will all be at a good age. The oldest there will be Deledio at 26/27. Martin will still be 21. Even if we didn't see much from "pick 19" for 2-3 years, those guys would still be mid 20s, Deledio late 20s. We're hardly going to miss our premiership window by not using it now, and may set ourselves up for longer term success by saving it.
4. It gives us leverage down the track with the possibility of trading it again.

Best case scenario, secure another top 30 pick. Keep the compo and this year have picks 6, the extra pick and 29.

 

[Wally Matera]

When do we have to decide when we are going to use it? Can we wait until draft day and it gets to pick 26 - see what is on offer and then decide to opt in, or opt out?

If so... l'd prefer the club to identify one player in mind before the draft starts and if he slips use it. But only if the player slips use it.

I'd hate for the club to be in a position on draft day, get all excited about having a pick because its there and just use it without any long term strategic thinking. Which l'm sure wont happen.

 

[Azzleberry]

It’s like shoving a hundred dollar note down the back of the couch to spend in a few years time. Why bother, what’s the point.

Jackson and Co were good enough to get it this far, so im happy to go with how they want to use it. I would be very surprised if they hang on.

More like shoving a $100 down the back of the couch and in 3 years time finding $150 and the cost of living/inflation has decreased from 2010...

 

[Vitriol]

Should be plenty of quality in this draft....if Darling slips to 26 would love to get him

 

[DM36]

I believe we keep it until 2012

the 2012 bunch looks like it is going to be the best batch for a longtime.

the talent of them now amazes me can't imagine in 2 years time

hold onto it

 

[folester41]

we have to use it while lids and co are still young.

 

[Cutty]

hear reports that 2012 is one helluva draft.

like to see us use it then unless we have a specific player targeted this year or next

 

[JimmyRecard]

pick 19 in 2012 could help get a quality trade over the line, plus obviously a good kid. If we get another few 2nd or 3rd rounders this trade period I say hold on to the Comp pick, it's huge.

good point about the trade potential.

e.g we might trade our pick 19 and first round of that year (hopefully around pick 12) for a gun player to take our list to the next level.

or at worst get another good kid.

keep.

 

[Mr Magic]

Ablett had more chance of staying at Geelong than Richmond using the compo pick in 2010 unless they on trade it for something else.

I remember someone saying Richmond wanted a top 20 pick for tambo. So they only reason the Tigers went through with the trade one would suspect is it is a compo pick and can be used with far more effect for Richmond later. Richmond are playing it smart, which is why Houli and Grigg want to be part of the new premiership force that s building at punt road

This 27 compo pick for 2010 has a different value than a 2010 draft pick 27. People who do not see this should study to improve understanding so people do not take advantage of them.

Some people need to read the play. Apart from a supposedly strong draft in 2012 or 2013 other things have to be considered. Geelong wont say it but they will want to bottom out in 2013-2015 after their window closes. They also will want this to bottom out to take max advantage of their ladder position first round compo pick which could be 2 if they finished last. This means in 2012 and/or 2013 they will be traded off their players for draft picks. Eg. Selwood, Chapman, Johnson and so forth could easily be traded.
In 2010 Geelong want the opposite . They want players to win a final premiership in 2011 or 2012 before their window definitely closes as Collingwood are not invincible.

So the Tigers should not get too precious about trading players for Geelong first round compo mid range pick because if we did trade some for the pick it is highly likely Geelong will want to trade them back to us in two years time, which could suit us as our team will have improved as our draft acquisitions continue to develop further

On top of this free agency will come in around 2012 and some players will start to want to get out of GC that suit the Tigers team development window.

Richmond, to put it mildly , would be crazy not to chase Geelongs mid-1st round compo pick, while Geelong would be crazy not to trade it now for players that can help it get a premiership in 2011 and 2012 while they can

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Easy Tigers....patience....rewards for those who wait... keep.

 

[Wally Matera]

So the Tigers should not get too precious about trading players for Geelong first round compo mid range pick because if we did trade some for the pick it is highly likely Geelong will want to trade them back to us in two years time, which could suit us as our team will have improved as our draft acquisitions continue to develop further

Richmond, to put it mildly , would be crazy not to chase Geelongs mid-1st round compo pick, while Geelong would be crazy not to trade it now for players that can help it get a premiership in 2011 and 2012 while they can

What crack have you been smoking?

Who exactly are Geelong gonna want from us for them to palm over their compo picks for the BEST PLAYER IN THE COMP?

You should have a listen to yourself.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Mr.Magic Mushrooms....

 

[Tigerland]

I say we use it this year and postmark that pick for a Ruckman.

A mobile ruckman, not a dinosaur.

Develop them in Coburg for 2 - 3 years.

Given our window will open in 3 years or thereabouts the Ruckman will be 20 or 21 and just about ready to roll.

 

[SolidTiger]

I say we should keep the pick and use it when the draft is less diluted from the new teams coming in.

If we use it now it would mean we will be recieving a pick around 25-26, to make things worse I believe that the Gold Coast can pick up players from some sort of "Zone" rule from outside the draft. This in reality will make the pick something like pick 33.

If we wait until 2012 to use the pick it will be pick 19 in a full draft of kids to choose.

 

[Varicho]

Hearing Craig Cameron on SEN this morning, he pretty much said we are gonna bank the pick and use it in future years.

 

[Mr Magic]

What crack have you been smoking?

Who exactly are Geelong gonna want from us for them to palm over their compo picks for the BEST PLAYER IN THE COMP?

You should have a listen to yourself.

3 times I have tried to provide a comphrehensive reason why to keep the pick and the internet has told me I am not logged in to BF . Very frustrating must be a time limit.

Anyway, the Ablett connection is irrelevant as the compensation was not determined in a free market. Besides the other compo pick for Geelong, based on ladder position, is the real kicker which will help them when they bottom out.

Your argument about what Geelong wants from us is irrelevant again, if we involve a third and fourth party etc.. Remember St Kilda, Hawthorn Freo Bulldogs Adelaide all think they are in the window as Collingwood is very beatable. They will want our talent to help their own surges. We can always accomodate them with our players / picks for certain players to Geelong in 4 way deals etc... where we end up with the compo pick and even financial assist Geelong with the players they potentially get.

Even I know we have no chance of getting Geelongs other compo pick as it is too valuable to Geelong. The midrange compo 1st round draft pick though is actually more valuable in Richmonds hands than Geelong IMO.

I am going to continually edit this post (due to internet issues)to provide full reasoning to get the Geelong compo draft pick so bare with me please !!

Firstly, Geelong if they don't trade it for players are telling supporters its over, they are simply going around to make up the numbers and protecting the nest. If Geelong do not trade for players, another 13-20 years is a real possibility unless they bottom out big time in 2013-2015.

Second reason, the Tigers need to set realistic goals. Most realise we could easily have only won 3 times this year. The compo pick maximum use is the J Selwood scenario when you get the excess bonus . Going on Geelong model we need to get to a prelim before we use this pick to get maximum advantage but realistically we use it in 2-3 years along the same principles, it could be later though. Mainstreet does not believe we will make the finals in 2 years necessarily. Mainstreet does believe we will be a real force in 5 years if we play our cards right. Eg. this is why Houli and Grigg want to come over. In other words the plan is realistic

Thirdly, this is an asset(premiership player influence) which has zero cost on the books. This pick enables the team to develop more effectively through the draft table and in addition it lets Lids and Co get longer contracts, front load them to reward them for loyalty and the team to go in one direction in terms of the premiership aim. The players have a realistic target, the player group can get single minded. Blind Freddy knows Grigg and Houli should be falling over themselves to play with the new southern force

 

[El Tigre]

I say we use it this year and postmark that pick for a Ruckman.

A mobile ruckman, not a dinosaur.

Develop them in Coburg for 2 - 3 years.

Given our window will open in 3 years or thereabouts the Ruckman will be 20 or 21 and just about ready to roll.

Unless there is a mobile ruckman of Kruezers quality, (and unless there is a real sleeper, then their is not) to use a high pick on a ruck is a complete waste of a pick. Ruck stocks are far more hit-miss with how they develop. It is generally regarded that teams are better off trading for Rucks, like Jolly for the Pies.
Vickery was a high draft pick, and time will tell whether Vickery will develop into a very good player (whether in the forward line or ruck). But i think it was wrong to use our pick 8 for him. But that under the 'the old Richmond' regime. The new one looks to be far better at this sort of thing.

 

[Mr Magic]

Hearing Craig Cameron on SEN this morning, he pretty much said we are gonna bank the pick and use it in future years.

Common sense prevails. Gee if we start looking after our own backyard no wonder players like Houli and Grigg will want to join in to the party!!!

 

[_RT_]

Hearing Craig Cameron on SEN this morning, he pretty much said we are gonna bank the pick and use it in future years.

Said on TradeWeekRadio, that we're undecided. I reckon we'll sit down once we know the draft order after trade week and will look at who might be available in that area of the draft and will make a decision then.

IMO, if there is a chance that a couple of kids rated late first round will slide then we'd be better off using it.

 

[El Tigre]

3 times I have tried to provide a comphrehensive reason why to keep the pick and the internet has told me I am not logged in to BF . Very frustrating must be a time limit.

Anyway, the Ablett connection is irrelevant as the compensation was not determined in a free market. Besides the other compo pick for Geelong, based on ladder position, is the real kicker which will help them when they bottom out.

Your argument about what Geelong wants from us is irrelevant again, if we involve a third and fourth party etc.. Remember St Kilda, Hawthorn Freo Bulldogs Adelaide all think they are in the window as Collingwood is very beatable. They will want our talent to help their own surges. We can always accomodate them with our players / picks for certain players to Geelong in 4 way deals etc... where we end up with the compo pick and even financial assist Geelong with the players they potentially get.

Even I know we have no chance of getting Geelongs other compo pick as it is too valuable to Geelong. The midrange compo 1st round draft pick though is actually more valuable in Richmonds hands than Geelong IMO

I agree that with some tweaking of their team, that the Cats might still see themselves in the premiership window. So trading there compo pick for a very good player (or 2 good ones) this year is something they might consider. The trouble is, they've got enough other internal issues to keep themselves pretty busy, let alone go after a big fish or two. And then there is the issue that a game plan change does affect the recruitment process (to some degree), and with a new coach, things will change. Realistically, they would have liked another month or so to sort out other issues before going into trade week.

 

[Varicho]

Said on TradeWeekRadio, that we're undecided. I reckon we'll sit down once we know the draft order after trade week and will look at who might be available in that area of the draft and will make a decision then.

IMO, if there is a chance that a couple of kids rated late first round will slide then we'd be better off using it.

That's interesting cause on SEN he did say it would probasbly be banked, çause it could even help us get over the line with a trade in years to come. Oh well, I'm more than confident in these guys (unlike the previous D***heads) so happy for them to do what they think is best.