Bigfooty Yid Army Thread

[Sinjin Smith]

Hey I'm not far off making a call to thread ban in here, enough of the personal niggles.

If you can't get along I'll make the decision on how to get this thread friendly again.

Hey Chef,

I'm not sure what other team boards are like, I dont go into them but we ain't exactly flying and emotions are running high.

Cheers,

SS

 

[jd2010]

Hey I'm not far off making a call to thread ban in here, enough of the personal niggles.

If you can't get along I'll make the decision on how to get this thread friendly again.

It's pretty decent bar one.

Topkent and I disagree on it working for Ange but there's solid conversation and points raised back and forth

 

[chef]

Hey Chef,

I'm not sure what other team boards are like, I dont go into them but we ain't exactly flying and emotions are running high.

Cheers,

SS

I'm not asking for Kumbaya, just enough of the sly and not so sly digs. Go the post, not the poster.

If enough posters in here complain its just easier to weed out the ones causing the issue.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Pochettino is to blame for all this. Before him there were no expectations.
Acceptance as the 5th-6th best club and happy to occasionally pinch top 4.

Since then there's a disconnect. Expectations of silverware not married up with a regression back to the mean.
I can cop a negative outlook that many have, and all but one are level headed and refrain from BS and lies. That's where the line is.

Indulge in BS, lies and unfounded innuendo and I'll defend the club I love just as hard as I did when some on this board did so Re: Geelong. Vigourously.

 

[jd2010]

This spursy moment where we "only" had 3 injuries and played a team at home without a win sums this club up. Win and go 3rd. Lose and go 10th.

 

[jd2010]

Pochettino is to blame for all this. Before him there were no expectations.
Acceptance as the 5th-6th best club and happy to occasionally pinch top 4.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not true entirely. Agree in some parts of not getting the Ndombele and GLC types of players who come for a fat pay cheque and bad attitudes. But it's that level of player that Romero is that we should be targeting. As Ange said, if we had a squad full of Romero's we'd be doing well!

It's not even about getting guys with bad attitudes, as we see with United they can no longer attract the best of the best. The Haaland's and Salah's of this world go to their rivals. So they pay handsomely for Antony, Holjund, Casemiro, Martinez etc while their rivals get Haaland, Salah, Rodri, Van Dijk. And then when those players don't get United to where they want to get to - and they're virtually next to us in the table - they are impossible to move on due to the high transfer fees and high wages meaning the hierarchy has to accept a large loss on the former and often subsidise or loan out because of the latter.

This is the most likely outcome for this club if all you're after is "increase the wage bill" so that you can arbitrarily declare that now the club backs its managers... Who've received 940m euros since 2019.

But the wage bill graph can tell whatever you want it to. How about in money terms.

1. Manchester City – £201,864,000
2. Manchester United – £185,580,000
3. Arsenal – £172,146,000
4. Chelsea – £171,210,000
5. Liverpool – £128,804,000
6. Tottenham – £104,806,000
7. Aston Villa – £104,676,000
8. Newcastle United – £103,272,000
9. West Ham United – £90,220,000
10. Crystal Palace – £69,810,000
11. Everton – £69,342,000
12. Fulham – £68,406,000
13. Leicester City – £65,416,000
14. Nottingham Forest – £63,492,000
15. Brighton – £60,658,000
16. Southampton – £56,030,000
17. Bournemouth – £54,704,000
18. Wolves – £53,222,000
19. Brentford – £41,470,000
20. Ipswich Town – £33,176,000

There's a 70m-80m gap between the top 3-4 clubs in wage spending. Easy to say we have to spend more on it.
Harder to do it and not waste it.

Some of that increase would go to actually beefing up the stocks available so we don't have just 3 CBs, 2 RBs, 1 LB & 1 guy covering CB & LB. Slap down 100-180k there on 1 extra defender.

We are a left footed RW short, get Bakayoko in on 150k a week.

An extra 50-80k on a CB that is more suited to Angeball than Dragusin.

Don't settle for a Bissouma and pay an extra 60-100k a week there and compete with the elite for the elite talent.

Don't settle for Odobert and pay an extra 100k a week for a proper wing option that isn't a kid.

Don't settle for a Johnson and pay an extra 80-100k a week for an elite winger.

Don't settle for a Werner loan move and sign a player on his wages instead.

Before you know it you've got a capable squad to compete and spent an extra 500-700k per week across the well publicised 2 extra bodies & 5 upgrades. That wouldn't even be over and above our 22/23 figures which were slashed after the senior players left.

If revenue has only gone up 5% a year since the last published figures we'd be sitting close to 600m revenue. Spending right now an extra 700k a week on wages and we'd still be in the bottom few for wages as a % of revenue

And this is where the simplistic nature of your critiques kicks in.
Lots of pie in the sky suggestions without names, any evidence they'd be interested or that other clubs wouldn't be more attractive.

Not only would replacing Bissouma, Odobert, Johnson and Werner with "elite" alternatives - provided we could convince them to come here and not Chelsea, Arse etc - that's even more in transfer fees (which eat into wage bill allocations) than we already have.

2 years.




6 years.



But in addition to extra strain on transfer fees these types of players would require, and we've spent more than enough, but let's assume we can - you've then got to target the requisite level of player. Convince him that there will be plenty of play time. Convince him not to join a bigger club with a better chance at success.

In reality; we swim in that pool and Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal can offer prospective transfers an overall better package. Sitting on City or Liverpool's bench is far more appealing when you're going deep into UCL knockouts and winning domestic trophies. Contrasted with us. Don't qualify for UCL, out within 3 rounds and don't go past European QF stages. No point pushing the boat out on the wage bill to match the others when we won't attract as good quality as the others.

It's just a pointless rant aimed at making one feel good.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So before Poch you expected this club to push on and break the Sky 4 glass ceiling without City's oil cheat code.
Delusional in the extreme.

 

[jd2010]

I'm not asking for Kumbaya, just enough of the sly and not so sly digs. Go the post, not the poster.

If enough posters in here complain its just easier to weed out the ones causing the issue.

We all know it's me and 1 particular poster. And they get called out by me and others for ordinary posting, time and time again. No need to dance around it

Like I said, many may disagree here and there with me or Topkent who isn't a Spurs fan as such, but it's generally pretty respectful and not going the man even when though we disagree

 

[bradfisher14]

Pochettino is to blame for all this. Before him there were no expectations.
Acceptance as the 5th-6th best club and happy to occasionally pinch top 4.

Since then there's a disconnect. Expectations of silverware not married up with a regression back to the mean.
I can cop a negative outlook that many have, and all but one are level headed and refrain from BS and lies. That's where the line is.

Indulge in BS, lies and unfounded innuendo and I'll defend the club I love just as hard as I did when some on this board did so Re: Geelong. Vigourously.

There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin.

But I think the most fundamental question I have for you is this:

Do you not think that posters who are critical of the way Levy runs things are also defending the club in their own way?

There are many ways to defend the club you love. Blindly defending everything they do isn't always the best option. For example, I can't defend Luke Sayers atm even though I think he's done a half-decent job being President of Carlton.

So before Poch you expected this club to push on and break the Sky 4 glass ceiling without City's oil cheat code.
Delusional in the extreme.

Yes we actually did expect that. Furthermore, we also managed to break into the top 4 at the expense of City in the 09/10 season while spending 110m less than they did. Another point to consider is how far in front of Liverpool we were before Klopp took over. Did they overtake us with an oil cheat code? There is no financial reason why we aren't more competitive.

 

[jd2010]

Lots of pie in the sky suggestions without names, any evidence they'd be interested or that other clubs wouldn't be more attractive.

Is my name Johan Lange?

It's not my job to sign them.

 

[jd2010]

Even though it's not my job let's play this game

LCB/LB: sign Hancko at 100k a week or even get desperate and take Lloyd Kelly at a high 150k. Better than Dragusin and Davies. But not elite. Or even better spend 180k and get Guehi who can play LCB. Then leave Davies to LB or sign Dorgu

DM: pay extremely good wages in the summer and sign the Z fella that arsenal and Liverpool want 12 months ago before they're in the market. I must admit this will be the hardest upgrade to get right. But Bissouma and Bentancur isn't

LW/ST: sign David 6-12 months ago instead of waiting for a free

RW: sign Bakayoko and re-sign club HG Edwards instead of Johnson and Werner

 

[Zidane98]

Need some insight on Montgomery lads. Is he rated as an assistant?

Is he an Ange man?


I've heard that we (Victory) are sounding him out for manager.

 

[jd2010]

GK: Vicario, Kinsky, Austin
RB: Porro, Spence
LB: Udogie, Davies with cover from VDV, Spence
CB: Romero, Tapsoba/Guehi, VDV, a kid 4th or Davies

6: New signing, Bentancur, Bergvall
8: Kulu, Sarr, Gray, Maddison, Eze

RW: Bakayoko, Edwards, with cover from Kulu
LW: Son, Moore, Yang with cover from David, Eze
ST: Solanke, David with cover from Son

25 man squad that includes 4 teenagers. I'd be bringing in Edwards just for club HG purposes. Either he or KWP. Could easily skip that and play 1 shorter there. Nail a gun CB signing and you can go 1 lighter moving on Davies as Topkent said VDV looks very good there, I wouldn't risk that with our injury record though

 

[jd2010]

There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin.

Until a proper thread ban is instated on him, it's better to just put him on ignore tbh. Offers nonsense £nic propaganda

 

[Art Vandelay_]

There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin.

I was being a bit facetious.

But I think the most fundamental question I have for you is this:

Do you not think that posters who are critical of the way Levy runs things are also defending the club in their own way?

You maybe, others in here maybe.
JD. No. He's trashed the club long before you got here, and hasn't shown an ability to say positive things about the club.

We've spent nearly 1bn euros in the new stadium, and as I said to someone in here the real place to critique is how we've spent the money, which is why hawkman put up the league spending chart. If you want to contend we've spent poorly then I'll happily agree with you.

To bring it to Carlton you're about to mention. No one can argue that failure to succeed in the last 15-20 years can be put down to a lack of quality draft selections. How you've used them is a different argument entirely.

There are many ways to defend the club you love. Blindly defending everything they do isn't always the best option. For example, I can't defend Luke Sayers atm even though I think he's done a half-decent job being President of Carlton.

I don't. I have countless comments (which you can search for, to avoid ignorance on the matter) stating the things ENIC and Lewis in particular have done wrong, and among these things The Super League was the moment we needed new owners.

What CANNOT IMO be argued that I defend is

- ENIC has taken the club forward in its totality. Most of the 90s under Sugar was on a shoestring budget that makes Levy look like a philanthropist throwing cash away. All with a dilapidated stadium and training facilities. They have year on year from 2001 - 2019 taken us on an upward league table trajectory and from 2008-Now we've missed Europe I think twice. They've upgraded the stadium and training ground. These things cannot be argued and cannot be used as criticism.

- Since opening the stadium EVERY MANAGER bar Mourinho (covid affected transfers) has been sufficiently backed in the market. The season-by-season and collective spending makes this hard to refute.

You argue against either of those two points and I will disagree with you.

Yes we actually did expect that.

From 2001-08 before we had Redknapp there is no way I believe that to be the expectation. Aim I'd buy. Expectation no.

Furthermore, we also managed to break into the top 4 at the expense of City in the 09/10 season while spending 110m less than they did.

Once they got Mancini it was all over. That's when they asserted their unquestionable position as one of England's top clubs. Only club in the big 6 not to miss top 4 since that 09-10 season you speak of. Money is unquestionably why they are where they are. It may not be for Liverpool who you mention.

Another point to consider is how far in front of Liverpool we were before Klopp took over. Did they overtake us with an oil cheat code? There is no financial reason why we aren't more competitive.

Because Levy stuffed up and fell out with Michael Edwards. As he did with Mitchell.

As an aside; if you're using Liverpool here to show no financial reason then why are so many in here so quick to assert Ange isn't being backed? Thin squad, no proper depth blah blah etc etc.?

As for Liverpool; the squad building he did leading up to our meeting in the CL final saw his club spend double between 2016-2019. 435m v 208m.

Even though it's not my job let's play this game

LCB/LB: sign Hancko at 100k a week or even get desperate and take Lloyd Kelly at a high 150k. Better than Dragusin and Davies. But not elite. Or even better spend 180k and get Guehi who can play LCB. Then leave Davies to LB or sign Dorgu

DM: pay extremely good wages in the summer and sign the Z fella that arsenal and Liverpool want 12 months ago before they're in the market. I must admit this will be the hardest upgrade to get right. But Bissouma and Bentancur isn't

LW/ST: sign David 6-12 months ago instead of waiting for a free

RW: sign Bakayoko and re-sign club HG Edwards instead of Johnson and Werner

Pie in the sky numbers out of nowhere. No idea if that'd get those deals done, the players would be interested or the clubs interested in selling.

Me: Let's not be like United and pay inflated wages for not good enough.

JD: Lloyd Kelly on 150k a week. 180k on Guehi.

Marcus Edwards.. My head hurts.

 

[Yoda_]

With the Levy splashing cash, we can all probably agree that he is throwing enough darts, they just aren't hitting the bullseye