Bigfooty Yid Army Thread

[Yoda_]

Pochettino and Mourinho have never been shy to play youth prospects.
Conte far less so.

Since Poch we've integrated Kane, Winks, Skipp, Townsend and Tanganga.
Other than a purple patch v Madrid for Winks and Kane being generational its just been flops, albeit we got good fees from Skipp and Winks.

I actually think our academy talent is rather poor and our players are overlooked for first team selections because they don't deserve it.

As for keepers; Arsenal, Villa, Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea, Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Leicester, Liverpool, City, United, Newcastle, Forest, Southampton, West and Wolves - aka - every other club. Has a HG keeper as 2nd and/or 3rd GK.

So why are we worrying about Austin and Forster???

I didn't realise that about HG keepers

as for academy, its simply a gut feel we under utilise it

 

[jd2010]

To keep it related to Marmoush as that was the jumping off point for this woe is us JD rant.

Marmoush commanding an €80m transfer fee and they're paying him €16m in wages. That's why he would never be coming to us.

Converting back to pounds that's £68m to buy him and 260k p/w to pay him. We've had 1 player ever on more per week than that. And that was Kane's last contract.

We cannot swim in the same pool as those 5 clubs as we can't pay players 260k a week. Let alone off 1 good season at Frankfurt while forking out nearly £70m to buy him (club record?).

We need more realistic complaints and gripes to be brutally honest.

For the 8th time this week, we should have signed him in the summer not when he became a city target.

Signing him or another quality W/ST would have meant not signing either Odobert or Werner.

That's how a properly run club operates

 

[Art Vandelay_]

For the 8th time this week, we should have signed him in the summer not when he became a city target.

And the grand total times you said this in the summer I am guessing would be 0?
You're a hindsight hero.

And for the 3rd time this week alone. Frankfurt forward. Steer clear.
They reek of high priced flop.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I didn't realise that about HG keepers

as for academy, its simply a gut feel we under utilise it

We're looking at two sides of the same coin.

You say under utilise. I say utilised properly relative to the lack of talent.
The problem either way is we don't get enough first team output from the academy.

 

[Yoda_]

We're looking at two sides of the same coin.

You say under utilise. I say utilised properly relative to the lack of talent.
The problem either way is we don't get enough first team output from the academy.

agreed

 

[Topkent]

For the 8th time this week, we should have signed him in the summer not when he became a city target.

Signing him or another quality W/ST would have meant not signing either Odobert or Werner.

That's how a properly run club operates

That's super easy to say in hindsight though, I doubt you would have even mentioned him during the off-season? It's very easy to name players after they've broken our.

What if Odobert, Gray and Bergvall become stars and you would have missed out on Gray if you'd pay 40m for Marmoush instead?

 

[jd2010]

It's all going around in circles like it has for the last 10+ years.

Lots of could of, should have...

Back then there was this semi reasonable excuse for never taking leaps ahead because WHL was too small and we didn't generate money.

While our rival spent nothing and went backwards because of their new stadium, we were told don't worry about that once we move, we will get ahead of this and it won't hurt us the same way, the stadium will only help us become part of the elite clubs on and off the pitch.

Fair to say off the pitch they've held their end of the bargain, elite training facilities, record profits, stadium is best in the world.

On it and its no question it isn't. This squad is weaker than the Ramos/Jol squads

 

[Art Vandelay_]

and yet we've spent 3/4 of a billion since opening the stadium. Spending CANNOT be used as stick to beat them with anymore. We spend, we spend big and we spend big every summer.

We've just spent it poorly. No one should be able to argue that.
We have spent poorly on players.

Revisiting after the fact with 'we should have signed this player in the summer that I'd never heard of at the time but now I do' is a bit disingenuous.

 

[jd2010]

That's super easy to say in hindsight though, I doubt you would have even mentioned him during the off-season? It's very easy to name players after they've broken our.

What if Odobert, Gray and Bergvall become stars and you would have missed out on Gray if you'd pay 40m for Marmoush instead?

It's not my full time job to identify talent but even as something I like to do, one thing I like to do is look at the top 5 league top performers year after year, to see who are some semi realistic options in areas we need.

He was on there, along with Malen, Openda, Zhegrova and David

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That's super easy to say in hindsight though, I doubt you would have even mentioned him during the off-season? It's very easy to name players after they've broken our.

What if Odobert, Gray and Bergvall become stars and you would have missed out on Gray if you'd pay 40m for Marmoush instead?

First mention of Marmoush in this thread was January 11th.

 

[Topkent]

It's not my full time job to identify talent but even as something I like to do, one thing I like to do is look at the top 5 league top performers year after year, to see who are some semi realistic options in areas we need.

He was on there, along with Malen, Openda, Zhegrova and David

I'm not gonna lie this seems a little convenient, 5 guys all mooted for moves in the media right now. Seems very easy to bring them up now.
What about some guys who haven't already moved or talked about for a move?

Zhegrovas best league performance in France is 6 goals and he's 25.

He's ceiling is probably what he is right now. Whether it happens or not Tottenhams scouts obviously rate Odobert as someone who could be a gun. Considering the starts of Gray and Odobert I think it's very fair to give the kid a chance before saying it's a complete disaster and they should have signed a bloke who failed from Dortmund?

You only have to do some reading to see that most Dortmund fans were pumped to get rid of Malen

 

[jd2010]

By all means it's not a foolproof exercise. But some names I've noted down over the year pre them getting moves and not being in our pond anymore

Here's my notes from 2021. Largely look at France and Germany because they tend to have better success in England than those from Italy or Spain. Or at least that's what being scarred by busts like Soldado, Lamela, Fazio did

Paqueta
Tchouameni
Golovin
Ludovic Blas
Doku
Amine Gouri
Sven Botman
Sofiane Diop
Matheus Cunha yes that long ago!
Leon Bailey
Lacroix
Endo
Borna Sosa
Nico Elvedi
Marcus Thuram
Tapsoba
Ridle Baku

As you can see there's many duds along that. But the hit rate probably outweighs Spurs business the past 5 years!

 

[jd2010]

I'd be happy with probably 8 to 9 out of those 17 to be in our squad right now

 

[Topkent]

By all means it's not a foolproof exercise. But some names I've noted down over the year pre them getting moves and not being in our pond anymore

Here's my notes from 2021. Largely look at France and Germany because they tend to have better success in England than those from Italy or Spain. Or at least that's what being scarred by busts like Soldado, Lamela, Fazio did

Paqueta
Tchouameni
Golovin
Ludovic Blas
Doku
Amine Gouri
Sven Botman
Sofiane Diop
Matheus Cunha yes that long ago!
Leon Bailey
Lacroix
Endo
Borna Sosa
Nico Elvedi
Marcus Thuram
Tapsoba
Ridle Baku

As you can see there's many duds along that. But the hit rate probably outweighs Spurs business the past 5 years!

Mate majority of these guys were super young unproven kids in 2021 almost exactly the type of business your slating spurs for doing now lol

 

[jd2010]

Mate majority of these guys were super young unproven kids in 2021 almost exactly the type of business your slating spurs for doing now lol

They'd all had at least a single season, most had multiple in a top 5 league. And had been a top performer in said top 5 league. Most were around the 20-25 age bracket

We've signed what?

A kid from Sweden, a kid from the championship, a kid from a relegated premier league side, a non top performer with a man bun and a kid from Czechia

It's hardly the same, mate

 

[Topkent]

They'd all had at least a single season, most had multiple in a top 5 league. And had been a top performer in said top 5 league. Most were around the 20-25 age bracket

We've signed what?

A kid from Sweden, a kid from the championship, a kid from a relegated premier league side, a non top performer with a man bun and a kid from Czechia

It's hardly the same, mate

They weren't top performers lol.
Doku, Gouir, Cunha, Lacroix and quite a few of them had done absolutely **** all, thats why most of them didn't get moves for years after that.

Also what the hell does that second paragraph even mean? You think Bergvall and Gray are shit?

This is when it gets frustrating talking to you because I don't understand your point. Every good judge thinks Tottenham have 2 of the best 18 years in world football right now and you think that's a massive mistake?
If spurs had waited 3 years for them to be 21 which is your magic number, Gray could be worth 100m, Bergvall would have been at Barcelona already lol.

It's such a bizarre argument

 

[jd2010]

I like Bergvall, Gray Kinsky. Haven't seen enough of Odobert to judge yet.

But Paqueta at Lyon is not the same as Bergvall.

Tchouameni at Monack is not the same as Gray.

Cunha at Hertha is not the same as Yang or Odobert

 

[jd2010]

They weren't top performers lol.
Doku, Gouir, Cunha, Lacroix and quite a few of them had done absolutely **** all, thats why most of them didn't get moves for years after that.

Also what the hell does that second paragraph even mean? You think Bergvall and Gray are shit?

This is when it gets frustrating talking to you because I don't understand your point. Every good judge thinks Tottenham have 2 of the best 18 years in world football right now and you think that's a massive mistake?
If spurs had waited 3 years for them to be 21 which is your magic number, Gray could be worth 100m, Bergvall would have been at Barcelona already lol.

It's such a bizarre argument

They were top performers in the 20/21 seasons.

Like i said, not my full time job like Lange. But they were all in the top 50 rated players in their respective leagues that season

Wasn't a fool proof metric used. Elvedi and Borna Sosa have done nothing since. Wanted to show the duds on the list as well as the booms

 

[jd2010]

Compare that list of 17 names and where those guys have taken their games compared to who we signed and I'd say I'd have the win, just

Sarr vs Tchouameni (me)
Romero vs Tapsoba (spurs)
Gil vs Cunha (me)
Emerson Royal vs Baku (me)
Kulu vs Thuram (spurs, just)

Bentancur was steak knives by Paratici to help balance the Juve books to avoid the ban so I won't count him

 

[Topkent]

They were top performers in the 20/21 seasons.

Like i said, not my full time job like Lange. But they were all in the top 50 rated players in their respective leagues that season

Wasn't a fool proof metric used. Elvedi and Borna Sosa have done nothing since. Wanted to show the duds on the list as well as the booms

Doku 2 goals 3 assists in 30 appearances, he wasn't a top performer.

Cunha 7 goals 4 assists in 27

Diop 6 goals 4 assists in 30

Thurman 8 goals 2 assists in 29

Bailey was 9 goals 8 assists in 30. Good performer has mostly struggled in England. One good season from 4

Apart from Bailey those are meh as **** numbers for lower tier leagues looking to step up.

 

[Topkent]

If you that's your opinion fine, for the record here you think Gray Bergvall and Kinksy were bad deals then just for posterity.

 

[jd2010]

If you that's your opinion fine, for the record here you think Gray Bergvall and Kinksy were bad deals then just for posterity.

Not bad deals. Just not the right signings on their own to achieve our goals

 

[jd2010]

Doku 2 goals 3 assists in 30 appearances, he wasn't a top performer.

Cunha 7 goals 4 assists in 27

Diop 6 goals 4 assists in 30

Thurman 8 goals 2 assists in 29

Bailey was 9 goals 8 assists in 30. Good performer has mostly struggled in England. One good season from 4

Apart from Bailey those are meh as **** numbers for lower tier leagues looking to step up.

Looking at G&A alone is too high level

Using the whoscored player ratings which uses more statically analysis like take on success, chances created etc. rather than just the end product. Each of the guys I'd listed were in the top 50 players in their league.

Like I said, not rocket science or full proof. But I'd say it's not the worst model for success for a kill some time at work hobbies. Especially when some idiot got paid full time to sign Emerson Royal and Bryan Gil!

 

[jd2010]

Had the 20/21 list open this week because i laughed at our window with a mate this week.

To give some further insight, just went back into the notes further the 21/22 list included.

Bruno Guimareas
Pacqueta again
Kolo Muaini before Frankfurt
Gouri again
Lovro Majer
Blas again
Sulemana who ended up at Saints
Sofiane Diop again
Boubacar Kamara
Schick
Schlotterbeck before Dortmund
Wirtz
Raum
Moussa Diaby really shocked he failed at Villa but they made big money to Saudi
Ndicka
Manu Kone
Sosa again lol
Ellyes Skhiri
Kerem Demirbay
Endo again
Marmoush lol
Jonathan Tah
Anton Stach
Alasanne Plea

 

[Topkent]

Looking at G&A alone is too high level

Using the whoscored player ratings which uses more statically analysis like take on success, chances created etc. rather than just the end product. Each of the guys I'd listed were in the top 50 players in their league.

Like I said, not rocket science or full proof. But I'd say it's not the worst model for success for a kill some time at work hobbies. Especially when some idiot got paid full time to sign Emerson Royal and Bryan Gil!

I understand that and some of them would have been great deals but there's also nuance, maybe some didn't wanna move to England at that age, maybe the club asked for too much money etc.