Bigfooty Yid Army Thread

[Art Vandelay_]

I'm sure come the close of the window arsenal will address their needs and we won't. We've seen this play out so many times before

This summer the panic loans to solve needs saw them get Sterling who isn't great but is HG, Chelsea get Sancho who is decent and we get Timo non HG useless Werner

Translation: I am complaining about my club getting a player who has flopped by comparing him to two panic flops who similarly had also flopped at their previous clubs.

You are weird sometimes.

Not getting Werner isn't going to suddenly have changed anything. We let 5 HG leave and brought in 5 HG including Gray and Solanke whom most are pleased with.

 

[jd2010]

Little bit of a re write here, Sancho is a loan to buy and Sterling has been as useless as Werner has. Werners played way more than Sterling actually

I'd rather Sterling than Werner and that's saying something because you're right he isn't great!

 

[jd2010]

I get that but that were after muani it seems like, probably pivoted to the next option now. Or maybe it's all bullshit and levy never planned to help out with any money at all and it was all a smokescreen to make it appear like he was willing to spend

This is the frustrating and sad part for ange. It'll end up costing him his job just like it did Redknapp, AVB, Conte, Poch and Mourinho.

All were told by different directors of football that it was either too hard to replenish the squad or were given the Temu cheap 3rd rate options

 

[jd2010]

For Ange's sake, someone like Donyell Malen doesn't even need to be an amazing success long term at 20m. Because what he'd allow is some rest and rotation for Solanke and Kulu so they don't stink up games like his last one. Or give mins rests too Johnson so he doesn't add to the injuries for Sunday

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Fair enough. Frankfurt have bled out an extra 20m. But if he plays 100 games for city will anyone care?

And what did I tell you about Frankfurt sales?

Randal Kolo Muani: Arrived 22/23 free transfer. Sold 23/24 - €95m. PSG already loaned him out. FLOP.

Luka Jovic: arrived 19/20 €22m. Sold 19/20 €65m. Released free transfer 22/23.

Sebastien Haller: Arrived 17/18 €12m. Sold 19/20 €50m. West Ham sold for a significant loss a year later.

Willian Pacho: Arrived 23/24 €13m. Sold 23/24 €50m. Outcome still ???.

Omar Marmoush: Arrived 23/24 free transfer. Sold 24/25 €80m.

Oscar Hojlund or Hugo Ekitike are my guesses for the next they'll fleece a big club to sign them.

 

[jd2010]

Good summary of the Dragusin Angeball situation

 

[Art Vandelay_]

This is the frustrating and sad part for ange. It'll end up costing him his job just like it did Redknapp, AVB, Conte, Poch and Mourinho.

All were told by different directors of football that it was either too hard to replenish the squad or were given the Temu cheap 3rd rate options

Mourinho had 1 summer window in charge and ALL his windows were during COVID where revenues, and transfer fees as a result nosedived.

Very disingenuous to include him.
The others were all pre-stadium which is a fair argument to make. Post-stadium and it cannot be leveled as a complaint.

Poch had an extenuating circumstances. We were required by stadium bank loans clauses to spend only a certain amount, keep wages at a certain level and have no less than £125m in the bank at all times.

 

[Topkent]

Good summary of the Dragusin Angeball situation

On the other hand says a lot that an 18 year old kid playing out of position is considered press proof

 

[Yoda_]

This is the frustrating and sad part for ange. It'll end up costing him his job just like it did Redknapp, AVB, Conte, Poch and Mourinho.

All were told by different directors of football that it was either too hard to replenish the squad or were given the Temu cheap 3rd rate options

This, this, this, this, this!!!

 

[Yoda_]

It's little wonder I've argued with you for years now. The stick to beat the club with should be used on things they deserve it for. Not a free for all. And that erroneous attitude now permeates onto others in this little group and it isn't really fair.

Last week someone stated we don't back managers, when since the stadium we back them more than most clubs - to the tune of 3/4 of a billion €. The lack of spending or it's too dear is now inaccurate pish.

Now a lack of January signings - like nearly every club - sees us unfairly compared to a club that blatantly cheats the system.

we are playing chess with the other middle teams, the (other) "big six five" are all playing checkers

 

[Art Vandelay_]

we are playing chess with the other middle teams, the (other) "big six five" are all playing checkers

To keep it related to Marmoush as that was the jumping off point for this woe is us JD rant.

Marmoush commanding an €80m transfer fee and they're paying him €16m in wages. That's why he would never be coming to us.

Converting back to pounds that's £68m to buy him and 260k p/w to pay him. We've had 1 player ever on more per week than that. And that was Kane's last contract.

We cannot swim in the same pool as those 5 clubs as we can't pay players 260k a week. Let alone off 1 good season at Frankfurt while forking out nearly £70m to buy him (club record?).

We need more realistic complaints and gripes to be brutally honest.

 

[Topkent]

Yeah marmoush is a massive throw at the stumps money and wage wise for 6 months of high level football.
He could easily be Pepe type flop

 

[jd2010]

Yeah marmoush is a massive throw at the stumps money and wage wise for 6 months of high level football.
He could easily be Pepe type flop

He's had a good 18 months at Frankfurt plus some good football before that too

 

[Yoda_]

To keep it related to Marmoush as that was the jumping off point for this woe is us JD rant.

Marmoush commanding an €80m transfer fee and they're paying him €16m in wages. That's why he would never be coming to us.

Converting back to pounds that's £68m to buy him and 260k p/w to pay him. We've had 1 player ever on more per week than that. And that was Kane's last contract.

We cannot swim in the same pool as those 5 clubs as we can't pay players 260k a week. Let alone off 1 good season at Frankfurt while forking out nearly £70m to buy him (club record?).

exactly my point, from what it sounds/looks like, he has had one (really) good season and the big boys like City just go, "here, whatever you want" whilst we are trying to play nicely.

Nice only gets you so far, dirty takes you past the edge. Something this club has never done (general pot at club not ENIC related punch for once. lol)

We need more realistic complaints and gripes to be brutally honest.

I dont know any off the top of my head but when we wanted Grealish, I think it was, we go someone else. Plays like that have plagued us for decades. This is my gripe. The over budget on these really talented kids is a different approach that is already paying off. £40m for Grey in 3 years will look like a bargain, £8m for Bergval in 3 years will be a steal. This is something we haven't really done before. We never overpaid for stars, we always shopped at Temu when we wanted Gucci

 

[Topkent]

exactly my point, from what it sounds/looks like, he has had one (really) good season and the big boys like City just go, "here, whatever you want" whilst we are trying to play nicely.

Nice only gets you so far, dirty takes you past the edge. Something this club has never done (general pot at club not ENIC related punch for once. lol)


I dont know any off the top of my head but when we wanted Grealish, I think it was, we go someone else. Plays like that have plagued us for decades. This is my gripe. The over budget on these really talented kids is a different approach that is already paying off. £40m for Grey in 3 years will look like a bargain, £8m for Bergval in 3 years will be a steal. This is something we haven't really done before. We never overpaid for stars, we always shopped at Temu when we wanted Gucci

Respectfully would the star players ever pick Tottenham over other options?

 

[Topkent]

He's had a good 18 months at Frankfurt plus some good football before that too

12 goals 6 assists in the league last season. It's good, it's not spend a fortune on him good though. No one here was saying he was the answer.
He's exploded this year but if anyone saw that coming he wouldn't still be at Frankfurt this year.

 

[Yoda_]

You lot are more educated and into the English pyramid, these big clubs (not strictly English) balance there books how?

• Academy sales?
• buy low, sell high?
• sell high because of prestige of ones football club?
• constant links that are abused between two clubs (cant think of any off top of my head but we contaslty buy off particular clubs, do we not?)

Understand Chelsea always have a large squad of bought and academy kids often loaned out for multiple years then sold.
Man United sell academy kids with the prestige attached
City sell because, well City
Arsenal seem like the most like us but im probably way off the mark with this
Liverpool seem similar to Chelsea. Use the "pool' pull to bring guys in and with the recent successes are selling off high now

Unsure on Real / Barca / PSG etc but they seem to use the prestigiousness of ones football club to bring people in and sell them off. I mean rumours of Anstu Fati for ridiculous amounts is being thrown around even with him not playing.


Meanwhile, feels like we are competing with Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc and playing by the rules. Correct me if Im wrong but that's what it feels like to my simple uneducated brain

 

[Yoda_]

Respectfully would the star players ever pick Tottenham over other options?

to be fair, we have been close a few times if im not wrong. Dyballa? Grealish off top of my head

 

[Art Vandelay_]

exactly my point, from what it sounds/looks like, he has had one (really) good season and the big boys like City just go, "here, whatever you want" whilst we are trying to play nicely.

To which my counter-point was the list of Frankfurt forwards who've flopped elsewhere, and as chef pointed out in another thread I even missed Andre Silva.

Jumping on Ndombele, Vicario, Romero, VDV, Gray, Kinsky, Bergvall, Vuskovic, Bissouma, Udogie and Sessegnon (all after stadium) before other big clubs were interested or while they also tried to sign those players certainly contradicts your assertion.

 

[Yoda_]

To which my counter-point was the list of Frankfurt forwards who've flopped elsewhere, and as chef pointed out in another thread I even missed Andre Silva.

Jumping on Ndombele, Vicario, Romero, VDV, Gray, Kinsky, Bergvall, Vuskovic, Bissouma, Udogie and Sessegnon (all after stadium) before other big clubs were interested or while they also tried to sign those players certainly contradicts your assertion.

Apart from Romero, most of those guys were diamonds in the rough with one, maybe two good seasons before we jumped on them ?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You lot are more educated and into the English pyramid, these big clubs (not strictly English) balance there books how?

• Academy sales?
• buy low, sell high?
• sell high because of prestige of ones football club?
• constant links that are abused between two clubs (cant think of any off top of my head but we contaslty buy off particular clubs, do we not?)

A far better gripe.

We don't produce players deserving of regular selection and that leads to transfer fees that provide pure profit and FFP relief.

Where are our Nwaneri, Lewis-Skelly, Saka's etc..

Wouldn't even know if it is a talent ID issue, money, investment, coaching and development or first team integration issue.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Apart from Romero, most of those guys were diamonds in the rough with one, maybe two good seasons before we jumped on them ?

and how is that different to Marmoush? Haller? Muani?

Two of which people here want us to sign this month only to choose bigger clubs than us.
Not to mention there's no explanation as to how we'd afford his 260k wages.

 

[Yoda_]

and how is that different to Marmoush? Haller? Muani?

Two of which people here want us to sign this month only to choose bigger clubs than us.
Not to mention there's no explanation as to how we'd afford his 260k wages.

I get your point. This is where football itself is broken

 

[Yoda_]

A far better gripe.

We don't produce players deserving of regular selection and that leads to transfer fees that provide pure profit and FFP relief.

Where are our Nwaneri, Lewis-Skelly, Saka's etc..

Wouldn't even know if it is a talent ID issue, money, investment, coaching and development or first team integration issue.

I would argue our recent academy has been a hit but we just dont utilise it enough. I maintain that a few of these kids would be reasonable enough depth / squad options if given the chance. Instead, we are keeping 2 x 26 year old keepers on the list to maintain ffp numbers. Doesn't make sense what our club does. Seems all business and not football to me

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I would argue our recent academy has been a hit but we just dont utilise it enough. I maintain that a few of these kids would be reasonable enough depth / squad options if given the chance. Instead, we are keeping 2 x 26 year old keepers on the list to maintain ffp numbers. Doesn't make sense what our club does. Seems all business and not football to me

Pochettino and Mourinho have never been shy to play youth prospects.
Conte far less so.

Since Poch we've integrated Kane, Winks, Skipp, Townsend and Tanganga.
Other than a purple patch v Madrid for Winks and Kane being generational its just been flops, albeit we got good fees from Skipp and Winks.

I actually think our academy talent is rather poor and our players are overlooked for first team selections because they don't deserve it.

As for keepers; Arsenal, Villa, Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea, Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Leicester, Liverpool, City, United, Newcastle, Forest, Southampton, West and Wolves - aka - every other club. Has a HG keeper as 2nd and/or 3rd GK.

So why are we worrying about Austin and Forster???