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Since I've been following a long though a few of the signings have come out of nowhere right? Just cause nothing's public I'm fairly sure there's something going on behind the scenes. Whether their ends up being any good options I'm not sure but Moore and Richarlison are back in the next week I believe. Not to say that's enough but surely that means the rush is slightly less for now.
Also isn't there gonna be a registration issue at the moment?

Almost certain Spence comes in for Europe and so does Kinsky. Austin say gets dropped out for Spence, but doesn't that mean a non English player has to come out just for Kinksy, let alone any more signings?

Wouldn't essentially Odobert or Werner have to be removed to replace with another attacker which doesn't actually add depth then?
Yeah the out of the blue stuff happens, but its not at that premium quality like a Kolo Muani. Once we get linked in at those top level type players for more than a couple of days it doesn't happen. Even players like Kulu and Bentancur's level happened quite quickly once the links were established.

There is a registration issue for the next round of the EL.

Kinsky will come in for Forster. Austin at least is club trained so provides a better 3rd choice option. And isn't a heap between the two.

An attacker coming in would need us to de-register 1. Since Odobert is unlikely to play until March or April, he makes the most sense. In a ruthless word, we are successful in the window and bring in a defender as well and de-register Werner if we couldn't sell Richarlison. Werner would be a body in domestic comps.

With Odobert and Richarlison barely available we go from 6-8 fwd options in all comps, to 6 in Europe and 7-9 domestically.

FWD options now 6-8: Solanke, Johnson, Kulu, Son, Werner, Moore, Richarlison & Odobert.
FWD options ideal EL 6: Solanke, new signing, Johnson, Kulu, Son & Moore
FWD options ideal domestic 7-9: Solanke, new signing, Johnson, Kulu, Son, Moore, Richarlison, Werner & Odobert
 
This has been my gripe with this football club for years. We had Harry Kane and the excuse was always "who would want to sit behind Harry?" instead of build on top of what we have. Get taught by Harry etc. etc. Understand we weren't going to spend the £30 - £50m to get a quality back up striker but it felt like something we never bothered to heavily invest in.

Same problem to have... again
Its crazy we fall into this problem of first and second choice when other clubs can have a squad mentality. I'd say we have the right mentality in midfield where any 3 of Sarr, Bissouma, Bentancur, Kulu, Maddison and now Bergvall should start any game.

But at RB and LB we had this stupid notion than Porro and Udogie must get overplayed and exhausted.

At CB we signed a 3rd choice CB so far behind the main two he only plays in emergencies. Rather than signing some of the quality names who'd suit the system like Hincapie or Tapsoba.

On the wings again its clearly Kulu + Johnson. The gap to Richarlison, Werner, Odobert and Moore is massive. And same up front where the gap from Solanke to Richarlison is big enough. Let alone to Lankshear and out of position Son, Johnson and Werner.

I get having clearer gaps between the GKs. But everywhere is nuts.
 
Its crazy we fall into this problem of first and second choice when other clubs can have a squad mentality. I'd say we have the right mentality in midfield where any 3 of Sarr, Bissouma, Bentancur, Kulu, Maddison and now Bergvall should start any game.

But at RB and LB we had this stupid notion than Porro and Udogie must get overplayed and exhausted.

At CB we signed a 3rd choice CB so far behind the main two he only plays in emergencies. Rather than signing some of the quality names who'd suit the system like Hincapie or Tapsoba.

On the wings again its clearly Kulu + Johnson. The gap to Richarlison, Werner, Odobert and Moore is massive. And same up front where the gap from Solanke to Richarlison is big enough. Let alone to Lankshear and out of position Son, Johnson and Werner.

I get having clearer gaps between the GKs. But everywhere is nuts.
and this right here is the ENIC problem. Not the Poch issue, or the Nuno problem, Jose won a CL with Porto, Conte couldn't win anything here.

The same veins lead back to the roots of the issue. ENIC not willing to spend money to actually pad out the squad with quality, mature players
 

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and this right here is the ENIC problem. Not the Poch issue, or the Nuno problem, Jose won a CL with Porto, Conte couldn't win anything here.

The same veins lead back to the roots of the issue. ENIC not willing to spend money to actually pad out the squad with quality, mature players
It will cost the weekly wage bill a fair bit more but wouldn't be impossible to have a massively strong squad with a lot of the core we already have. And its not buy signing unattainable guys. Just getting guys that aren't already at the top 10 clubs in the world and padding out a proper 25 man squad to compete in multiple comps.

GK: Vic, Kinsky
RB: Porro, Spence
CB: Romero, VDV, Tapsoba, Davies
LB: Udogie, Hancko
6: Bentancur, Gray
8: Kulu, Ederson, Maddison, Sarr, Bergvall
RW: Semenyo/Mbeumo, Johnson,
LW: Marmoush/Cunha, Son, Moore, Odobert
ST: Solanke, Ekitike/Amoura, Lankshear

Make 6 signings for guys who come in and we wouldn't bat an eyelid for them starting over their counterparts in any given game. That's ambition. That's giving Ange everything he needs to compete for all comps. None of the guys listed there are above our pay scale or where our ambition should lie, or at least weren't in Marmoush's instance in the summer.

Instead we make things harder but cheaper for ourselves. 5-6 signings that are clear upgrades on empty seats, or not up to standard players.

Tapsoba > Dragusin
Hancko > nobody
Ederson > nobody
Semenyo/Mbeumo or Marmoush/Cunha > Werner
Ekitike/Amoura > Richarlison
 
With a proper squad build like above, even with the current injury list, you could name a quality side + some kids against Tamworth and give proper rests to the main guys.

Kinsky
Spence Tapsoba Dorrington Hancko
Maddison Gray Bergvall
Johnson Ekitike Moore

Heck, put Spence to LB and bring Porro in for Dorrington, Solanke for Ekitike, Mbeumo for Johnson, and that side might even get some results in the league and finish top 10!
 
This discussion was my point of view so I will own it;


the notion of not playing a player because it would stop a loan deal shows we care more for business (being able to loan a player) than it does about winning football games (available player in a position of dire need)
I do t think that's the right angle. The other club may be put off by us cup tying someone they'd like for the 2nd half of the season. You're looking at it from the financial perspective, I think it simply is a player development issue.
 
It will cost the weekly wage bill a fair bit more but wouldn't be impossible to have a massively strong squad with a lot of the core we already have. And its not buy signing unattainable guys. Just getting guys that aren't already at the top 10 clubs in the world and padding out a proper 25 man squad to compete in multiple comps.

GK: Vic, Kinsky
RB: Porro, Spence
CB: Romero, VDV, Tapsoba, Davies
LB: Udogie, Hancko
6: Bentancur, Gray
8: Kulu, Ederson, Maddison, Sarr, Bergvall
RW: Semenyo/Mbeumo, Johnson,
LW: Marmoush/Cunha, Son, Moore, Odobert
ST: Solanke, Ekitike/Amoura, Lankshear

Make 6 signings for guys who come in and we wouldn't bat an eyelid for them starting over their counterparts in any given game. That's ambition. That's giving Ange everything he needs to compete for all comps. None of the guys listed there are above our pay scale or where our ambition should lie, or at least weren't in Marmoush's instance in the summer.

Instead we make things harder but cheaper for ourselves. 5-6 signings that are clear upgrades on empty seats, or not up to standard players.

Tapsoba > Dragusin
Hancko > nobody
Ederson > nobody
Semenyo/Mbeumo or Marmoush/Cunha > Werner
Ekitike/Amoura > Richarlison
That's gotta be an over 200m window? Plus guys like Marmoush and Mbeumo are being targeted by bigger clubs that spurs.
I guess you're expecting to sell Dragusin, , Biss and Richarlison for about ~80m?

I don't think 7 first team midfield options is doable going forward, that completely stifles either gray or Bergvall. If you want to bring in Ederson you sell Bentancur aswell.
If you buy Marmoush or Cunha same thing goes for Odobert or Moore one of them is getting frozen out
Semenyo would be a great option, definitely need cover on the right aswell as at LB.
 
This has been my gripe with this football club for years. We had Harry Kane and the excuse was always "who would want to sit behind Harry?" instead of build on top of what we have. Get taught by Harry etc. etc. Understand we weren't going to spend the £30 - £50m to get a quality back up striker but it felt like something we never bothered to heavily invest in.

Same problem to have... again
No many worth his salt was coming to ride the pine for Harry.
Arsenal have the same issue with Saka. Liverpool with Salah and City with Haaland.
and this right here is the ENIC problem. Not the Poch issue, or the Nuno problem, Jose won a CL with Porto, Conte couldn't win anything here.

The same veins lead back to the roots of the issue. ENIC not willing to spend money to actually pad out the squad with quality, mature players
We've spent €750m since opening the stadium. Our spending cannot be blamed for where we are now. How we've spent it is a fairer gripe.
 
That's gotta be an over 200m window? Plus guys like Marmoush and Mbeumo are being targeted by bigger clubs that spurs.
I guess you're expecting to sell Dragusin, , Biss and Richarlison for about ~80m?

I don't think 7 first team midfield options is doable going forward, that completely stifles either gray or Bergvall. If you want to bring in Ederson you sell Bentancur aswell.
If you buy Marmoush or Cunha same thing goes for Odobert or Moore one of them is getting frozen out
Semenyo would be a great option, definitely need cover on the right aswell as at LB.
Prices now sure 200m. In the summer Marmoush would have been doable for much less. The absolute ideal signings for us are those guys who have put together just enough high quality top 5 league football that it wasn't a flash in the pan, but not too much that they go beyond our pay scale. Like Marmoush and not getting him in the summer vs. where he is at now.

I think in that squad model above. Gray plays more in his natural spots than he does now when all his mins have been at LB, RB and CB. Bergvall would probably still be getting the mins he is now, which I'd be okay with if the squad around him was that strong. I'm not okay with the level of mins he got for a bottom half PL side.

Money and FFP are not an issue at all, so investment into the squad with a net spend over 100m isn't a problem for us. Ownerships ambitions however are. So I dont think ENIC will ever get us a squad good enough to truly compete in the league for honours.
 
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In the summer Marmoush would have been doable for much less.
Steer clear of Frankfurt players. They're good at getting a good season out of a new signing and then fleecing a big club out of lots of cash only for them to flop.

Steer well clear.
 
Prices now sure 200m. In the summer Marmoush would have been doable for much less. The absolute ideal signings for us are those guys who have put together just enough high quality top 5 league football that it wasn't a flash in the pan, but not too much that they go beyond our pay scale. Like Marmoush and not getting him in the summer vs. where he is at now.

I think in that squad model above. Gray plays more in his natural spots than he does now when all his mins have been at LB, RB and CB. Bergvall would probably still be getting the mins he is now, which I'd be okay with if the squad around him was that strong. I'm not okay with the level of mins he got for a bottom half PL side.

Money and FFP are not an issue at all, so investment into the squad with a net spend over 100m isn't a problem for us. Ownerships ambitions however are. So I dont think ENIC will ever get us a squad good enough to truly compete in the league for honours.

Yeah heres the thing though, actual top sides dont rotate that much. Any side that finishes top 4 might rotate one player or two here and there but you can name Arsenal, Liverpool, Citys etc best XI easily. 7 mids means someone aint gonna be happy.

If you start with Ederson, Kulu and Maddison ( you can debate the first 3) then you have Bergvall and Gray as the next 2, then Bentancur and Sarr barely get any minutes. I think you sell the 7th midfielder for sure, its way too much to try and give them minutes. Liverpool have 5 mids they use, Endo is the 6th and Morton is the 7th. Arsenal have 5 aswell.

Same goes with the front line, If you start with Solanke, Cunha and Semenyo, then you have Son, Johnson and a backup 9 then Moore and Odobert arent getting minutes, not even considering Yang.

The squad you set out has 28 players lol, 3 of them at a minimum arent even in the europa squad and wont see significant minutes in the league so why keep em.

I think realistically Spurs need a back up St thats fit, a RW and a backup LB/CB.

Anyone else who comes in needs to replace someone going out.
 
Yeah heres the thing though, actual top sides dont rotate that much. Any side that finishes top 4 might rotate one player or two here and there but you can name Arsenal, Liverpool, Citys etc best XI easily. 7 mids means someone aint gonna be happy.

If you start with Ederson, Kulu and Maddison ( you can debate the first 3) then you have Bergvall and Gray as the next 2, then Bentancur and Sarr barely get any minutes. I think you sell the 7th midfielder for sure, its way too much to try and give them minutes. Liverpool have 5 mids they use, Endo is the 6th and Morton is the 7th. Arsenal have 5 aswell.
Same goes with the front line, If you start with Solanke, Cunha and Semenyo, then you have Son, Johnson and a backup 9 then Moore and Odobert arent getting minutes, not even considering Yang.
That's not entirely true as Liverpool have shown. For their front 3 spots the most appearances has gone to Gakpo and Salah at 29 each. Diaz and Nunez have 26 and 25. And Jota has 17. Then the likes of Elliot and Chiesa as bodies as 6-7th options with 9 and 4 starts.That's 5 walk up starters for the level of club that we should be trying to be splitting mins across 3 positions. Sure Salah is streets ahead but the next 4 quality level doesn't fluctuate like ours.

Midfield is great again with 4 clear standouts that they can rotate with 2 more clear backups. Mac Allister 27 apps, Gravenberch 26, Szoboszlai and Jones with 24 each. Endo on 14. And academy prospect Morton with 3 domestic cup games.

5 gun attackers for 3 spots share 17-29 apps
4 gun midfielders for 3 spots 24-27 apps

We don't have that evenness of quality to allow for that.
 

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That's not entirely true as Liverpool have shown. For their front 3 spots the most appearances has gone to Gakpo and Salah at 29 each. Diaz and Nunez have 26 and 25. And Jota has 17. Then the likes of Elliot and Chiesa as bodies as 6-7th options with 9 and 4 starts.That's 5 walk up starters for the level of club that we should be trying to be splitting mins across 3 positions. Sure Salah is streets ahead but the next 4 quality level doesn't fluctuate like ours.

Midfield is great again with 4 clear standouts that they can rotate with 2 more clear backups. Mac Allister 27 apps, Gravenberch 26, Szoboszlai and Jones with 24 each. Endo on 14. And academy prospect Morton with 3 domestic cup games.

5 gun attackers for 3 spots share 17-29 apps
4 gun midfielders for 3 spots 24-27 apps

We don't have that evenness of quality to allow for that.
That's my point, in your scenario Mikey Moore and Archie Gray could be Morton and Chiesa.

3 starts and 4 starts. That's shit for their development. I want them to be higher up the list and if that means it's Sarr and Odobert say as those options why even have them?

Those guys also fit into the 25 man squad, like I said your squad has 28 so those extra minutes are non existent cause they can't play in Europe
 
That's my point, in your scenario Mikey Moore and Archie Gray could be Morton and Chiesa.

3 starts and 4 starts. That's shit for their development. I want them to be higher up the list and if that means it's Sarr and Odobert say as those options why even have them?

Those guys also fit into the 25 man squad, like I said your squad has 28 so those extra minutes are non existent cause they can't play in Europe
At our level with Europa League there's mins there to rotate into.

Our Gakpo, Salah, Nunez, Jota, Diaz in my scenario earlier would be Solanke, Son, Semenyo and Ekitike (instead of it being Solanke, Son, Werner, Johnson + perma crocks as 5th lol). With our 5th and 6th options mins going to Moore, Johnson and Odobert. So in the Liverpool example 26 appearances to split between those 3. 2 of those 3 have had long lay-offs. It would work because we aren't in CL football.

What also makes our mins more shareable is we don't have the absolute world class Salah or Haaland who demands starts. That 4 I'm mentioning there would be no clear pecking order for mins. And the 5th younger guys like Odobert, Moore and Johnson can come into domestic and EL and start in any given game.

Where it goes to naturally longer term with Moore and Odobert is to then overtake Johnson who gets sold, eventually overtake Son as he ages. So that if they reach their potential they are part of the 5 options who there's not a big difference between
 
At our level with Europa League there's mins there to rotate into.

Our Gakpo, Salah, Nunez, Jota, Diaz in my scenario earlier would be Solanke, Son, Semenyo and Ekitike (instead of it being Solanke, Son, Werner, Johnson + perma crocks as 5th lol). With our 5th and 6th options mins going to Moore, Johnson and Odobert. So in the Liverpool example 26 appearances to split between those 3. 2 of those 3 have had long lay-offs. It would work because we aren't in CL football.

What also makes our mins more shareable is we don't have the absolute world class Salah or Haaland who demands starts. That 4 I'm mentioning there would be no clear pecking order for mins. And the 5th younger guys like Odobert, Moore and Johnson can come into domestic and EL and start in any given game.

Where it goes to naturally longer term with Moore and Odobert is to then overtake Johnson who gets sold, eventually overtake Son as he ages. So that if they reach their potential they are part of the 5 options who there's not a big difference between
Then you end up being Chelsea under Potter and Poch who didn't have a settler team and were crap for 2 years. You need a settled XI. Good teams have settled elevens, you can have depth but a good team you can make their starting XI.

Again you still ignored my 28 man squad which is what you named lol which means 3 of them get no minutes in Europe.

You can't keep 14 mids and forwards happy with 6 places, even with full rotation 2 guys miss out.
 
I do t think that's the right angle. The other club may be put off by us cup tying someone they'd like for the 2nd half of the season. You're looking at it from the financial perspective, I think it simply is a player development issue.

Ange just hates rotating the CBs. I doubt there is really anymore to it than that. Celtic signed a 3rd choice CB in July and then left in January because Ange wasn't playing him. Dragusin didn't play last season when the 2 first choice were fit.
 
Then you end up being Chelsea under Potter and Poch who didn't have a settler team and were crap for 2 years. You need a settled XI. Good teams have settled elevens, you can have depth but a good team you can make their starting XI.

Again you still ignored my 28 man squad which is what you named lol which means 3 of them get no minutes in Europe.

You can't keep 14 mids and forwards happy with 6 places, even with full rotation 2 guys miss out.
Some of the U21 players don't need registering in Europe. And in that example with an actual backup LB who can also play LCB I'd not register Davies from the squad. So getting into a UEFA squad list would be no problem.

I just gave you an example of the side that is dominating world football that is literally splitting appearances which means settled XI's isn't key to success. They have 5 PL quality starting forwards sharing the mins for 3 spots. And 4 dominant PL quality mids splitting 3 spots, with 1-2 others for further depth.

That's how a good squad operates. If Liverpool were to get a poor run with injuries the level of drop off doesn't see them fall about 8 places behind where they aim for, which is what has happened to a poor squad build.

Outside of Salah the other 2 spots in the front 3 can be raffled and Liverpool dominate and win the game. Outside of Gravenberch probably the same thing for the 3 midfield spots, put him with 2 of 3-4 other options and they dominate and win the game.

Salah + 2 of Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo
Gravenberch + 2 of Szob, Mac Allister, Jones or Endo

For Spurs how this looks now.
Solanke (love him but not fit to wipe Salah's butt) + 2 of Son, Johnson, Werner, Richarlison, Odobert.
Kulucevski + 2 of Bentancur, Bissouma, Maddison, Bergvall & Sarr

For an ideal Spurs.
Solanke/Ekitike + 2 of Son, Mbuemo, Cunha, Odobert and Moore.
Kulu-Bentancur-Ederson as the big game 3 + Maddison, Sarr, Bergvall & Gray who can come in and play with 2 of the ideal 3 in any game. Or makeup part of a 3 themselves in your average game.

It's a long way from where we are right now. Which is why we are 13th and not having EL qualification nearly tied up yet.
 
Some of the U21 players don't need registering in Europe. And in that example with an actual backup LB who can also play LCB I'd not register Davies from the squad. So getting into a UEFA squad list would be no problem.

I just gave you an example of the side that is dominating world football that is literally splitting appearances which means settled XI's isn't key to success. They have 5 PL quality starting forwards sharing the mins for 3 spots. And 4 dominant PL quality mids splitting 3 spots, with 1-2 others for further depth.

That's how a good squad operates. If Liverpool were to get a poor run with injuries the level of drop off doesn't see them fall about 8 places behind where they aim for, which is what has happened to a poor squad build.

Outside of Salah the other 2 spots in the front 3 can be raffled and Liverpool dominate and win the game. Outside of Gravenberch probably the same thing for the 3 midfield spots, put him with 2 of 3-4 other options and they dominate and win the game.

Salah + 2 of Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo
Gravenberch + 2 of Szob, Mac Allister, Jones or Endo

For Spurs how this looks now.
Solanke (love him but not fit to wipe Salah's butt) + 2 of Son, Johnson, Werner, Richarlison, Odobert.
Kulucevski + 2 of Bentancur, Bissouma, Maddison, Bergvall & Sarr

For an ideal Spurs.
Solanke/Ekitike + 2 of Son, Mbuemo, Cunha, Odobert and Moore.
Kulu-Bentancur-Ederson as the big game 3 + Maddison, Sarr, Bergvall & Gray who can come in and play with 2 of the ideal 3 in any game. Or makeup part of a 3 themselves in your average game.

It's a long way from where we are right now. Which is why we are 13th and not having EL qualification nearly tied up yet.
Nah see you're not making sense now. Davies was your 4th choice CB who you aren't registering now. Moore is the only one who fits the U21 registration rule so that still leaves 26 even with your not registering the 4th CB. So now defensive depth isn't great to have 14 forward types.

Liverpool don't rotate 7 mids. Morton played 3 cup games so it's 6 not 7. You know that's true so I don't know why you're pretending it's not. Harvey Elliot has played 43 minutes in his 7 premier league games. That's not sharing minutes it's a blatant misrepresentation by you.

Spurs go out of the cup early next year those 3 games are gone and now you have a gray and or Bentancur or Sarr who don't play which is just ridiculous.

Same with the front 7 you named. Chiesa has played 4 games. That's not worthwhile minutes when it's gonna be Moore or Odobert who has to suffer that.
6 is plenty.

Please don't embellish stats in your reply it makes this very pointless.
 
Nah see you're not making sense now. Davies was your 4th choice CB who you aren't registering now. Moore is the only one who fits the U21 registration rule so that still leaves 26 even with your not registering the 4th CB. So now defensive depth isn't great to have 14 forward types.
Hancko can take the Davies role of backup LB and 4th choice CB. Gray could also be 3rd choice backup at LB and RB.

So just to be clear.
Two of Liverpool's 7 mids have played a combined 43 minutes in the league

So which of Gray, Bergvall, Bentancur and Sarr would you like that to be? Cause if it's either of Sarr or Bentancur they ain't hanging around past January.
Gray and Bergvall have played about that many between in midfield at a team sitting 13th. They'd get the same league mins as now, but would have the same access to EL and domestic mins as now. And likely sees us be a more competitive side in all comps, which is better for their development than this mess of a season is.
Liverpool don't rotate 7 mids. Morton played 3 cup games so it's 6 not 7. You know that's true so I don't know why you're pretending it's not. Harvey Elliot has played 43 minutes in his 7 premier league games. That's not sharing minutes it's a blatant misrepresentation by you.
They rotate 6 and dominate the PL and CL. We could expand that to rotating 7 since we aren't playing CL football where we need elite XIs twice a week. And we have 3 players in Gray, Bergvall and Sarr who are babies in CM terms.
Same with the front 7 you named. Chiesa has played 4 games. That's not worthwhile minutes when it's gonna be Moore or Odobert who has to suffer that.
6 is plenty.
Liverpool have 5 forwards who have 20+ appearances. They then have two with minimal. For us that would be the injured Odobert and Moore and Johnson again rotating minutes in EL and domestic cups. If this club ever wants to truly compete it cant keep doing what its always done and be well short of options 14-22 in the squad and have a nailed on 1-13.
 
Liverpool have 3 midfielders with 1400-1900 mins and their leader with 2300 minutes

We have no clear standout midfielder 3 with around the 1600 mark. Bentancur around 1200 but suspended for 7 games.

It's a repositioning of quality amongst that 4 we have to be a better group + Gray and Bergvall to get the 700-800 mins they have had right now.

That's what an Ederson joining does for Bissouma. And by allocating Kulu our actual only top level talent to mins there instead of all over the place because we have no RW depth (of top talent).

We can meander around having 2 top talents + 10-11 okay but not complete players who are trusted + 10 players who aren't up to current standards.

Or we can move towards having 4-5 top talents + 12-15 ready to go trusted players + young talent for the rest.

I know which of the two squads I'd rather. 12-13 trusted players + youth and duds vs. 16-19 and youth
 
I will never understand your distaste for Davies.
Brilliant pro, never complains at being a squad player and most of the time puts in solid 7/10 performances.
 
Can we stop this nonsical idea about rotating squads etc

Pool don’t cause a few are genuine class players. Boss, Sarr, Bentancur can’t play 4 games in a row without suspension or injuries.


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Sell Biss and Bentancur then.
 

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