That group has played 226 games in total. Allen and Ryan responsible for 171 of them.
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Analysis Best forward lines of 2024
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What's the justification for the Dogs being so low?
Current stars
Naughton
Ugle-Hagen
Weightman
Next Generation
Darcy
Croft
Clark
Resting forward
Bontempelli
Lobb
English
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They underachieve, but it's far better than what Hawthorn have been putting up for example. Jury is still out on how Chol and Ginnivan will really adapt to a new club. Hopefully very well! But nothing is a guaranteed..
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brisbane, adelaide and geelong probably have the best combinations overall between good kpf and dangerous smalls. geelong and adelaide would be hoping hawkins and walker respectively can keep their form up going into 2023 as that is who they structure around and both of them are in the twilight of their careers. a dropoff from either of these two could see their respective forward lines suffer.
richmond is a bit behind the first 3. if lynch misses significant games like he did in 2023 they will struggle to cover him once again, but they have multiple avenues to goal and their forward pressure game has always been strong
collingwood and gws have servicable kpf but elite mosquito fleets. this is probably going to be the way the game is played more in the future, with a greater emphasis on small forwards who bring pressure and can lock the ball in forward 50, we are seeing speed, pressure and team defence become more important each year in the afl - quality small forwards provide all of these
beyond this 6 it gets a lot more difficult but i would rank them:
1. geelong
2. brisbane
3. adelaide
gap
4. richmond
5. gws
6. collingwood
richmond is a bit behind the first 3. if lynch misses significant games like he did in 2023 they will struggle to cover him once again, but they have multiple avenues to goal and their forward pressure game has always been strong
collingwood and gws have servicable kpf but elite mosquito fleets. this is probably going to be the way the game is played more in the future, with a greater emphasis on small forwards who bring pressure and can lock the ball in forward 50, we are seeing speed, pressure and team defence become more important each year in the afl - quality small forwards provide all of these
beyond this 6 it gets a lot more difficult but i would rank them:
1. geelong
2. brisbane
3. adelaide
gap
4. richmond
5. gws
6. collingwood
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And Ryan's won a flag. One more than anyone in Brisbane's forward line.
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their small / medium forwards are crap outside of weightman who although a good player, i would not describe as a 'star'. hawthorn's on paper seems to have a much better mix between decent talls and smalls
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gunston won 3 flags and was the weakest link in brisbane's forward line for most of 2023. relevance?
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Problem is that Naughton due to his lack of kicking skills isnt a play making centre half back, not only is he an inconsistent kick but also he's not a penetrating kick. He would be a liability in defence.
His forward pressure is A+, Hugely underrated element of his game.
How many goals are the “next generation” going to produce next season? Croft won’t play a game and will probably play defence anyway. Clarke has not played a game. Darcy has had extremely little exposure and won’t play while Naughton, JUH and Lobb are in the side.
You’ve named three established players who if they are stars, are on the lower end of being stars, and then some rolls of the dice that may or not produce.
I’d rather the Hawks set-up on the end of the Bulldogs’ midfield any day. Mitch Lewis is a stud albeit injury plagued, Breust and Moore are small forwards better than Weightman. Ginnivan is a potent goal kicker. If Ginni, Chol and Gunston are weak links, they’re still better than the likes of Scott and West who regularly feature in the Bulldogs’ front half.
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You’ve got Cripps and Darling to add in there who are pretty proven
A forward line of
Cripps - Darling - Reid
Ryan - Allen - Waterman
with Maric / Long / Brockman in reserve is better than a few out there
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Collingwood are B tier at best. More likely C tier.
Only Mihocek kicked more than 40 goals, Hill and Elliot in the 30's, then you had Mids kicking just as many goals as any other forward.
Edit: was going to post this before the McStay news which is pretty horrible.
No McStay drops it to B tier. He was kicking 2 goals a game after returning from injury.
What’s better? To have one or two individuals kick 40 goals, or to have 4 or 5 kick 25+? Collingwood’s forward spread is a killer, with several players on any given week a chance to kick 3+. Each forward contributes up the ground too. McCreery is the only constant forward member that isn’t a consistent goal kicking threat but his pressure is elite and he’s frequently roughing up and tackling opponents. A forward group lead by Mihocek, Hill, Elliott and Schultz is very dangerous. Clearly one of the better ones going around.
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I think Collingwood's an example of a middling forward line on paper suiting perfectly what you've got in the rest of the ground.
You've got a defence that's elite especially with the rebound it provides. Then a midfield that is solid inside but great in transition.
That leads to a decent number of inside 50s with an open forward line where guys like Hill, Elliott and Mihocek thrive. I wonder if opponents drop men behind the ball more and try to create more congestion next year to challenge that forward line in a different way.
Is there ever anything you say that's not biased or idiotic? Pies are one of the worst forward lines in the comp - especially now that you've lost McStay.
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Pies forward line is solid, hard to cover everyone in it.
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Come on Bro...It's the only good line we've got, I've our mids improve again this year, we'll start kicking some good scores.
Our defense however! Once Gov get his usual injury and TB is coving 4 spots at once. Uggggh.
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Nope that's the worst forward line by a mile.
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Jack Darling had a stinker last year playing with one arm and a bad back and still managed to average the same number of goals per game as Harry McKay. When we get the ball in there we’re more efficient than most, it’s our midfield that’s the problem.
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Our KPF's are too inaccurate IMO. Probably need another genuine small to go with Weightman as well
Croft is miles away from a debut and will be developed as a backman. Darcy 'should' play more games this year. Probably at the expense of Lobb.
I think the ball hitting the deck is fine with Naughton's ability to pressure and tackle. Jamarra isn't too bad either. It's the Darcy/Lobb types that become liabilitys when the ball hits the deck.
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Port Adelaide's forward line will be superb next season.
Welcome back Georgiades and with improvements from Marshall & Lord, they now have added flexibility with Ratugolea able to play multiple positions (ruck, forward, back) if injury happens to cut any key tall down at any stage.
In fact, overall, Port Adelaide nailed it during the 2023 trade period.
Welcome back Georgiades and with improvements from Marshall & Lord, they now have added flexibility with Ratugolea able to play multiple positions (ruck, forward, back) if injury happens to cut any key tall down at any stage.
In fact, overall, Port Adelaide nailed it during the 2023 trade period.
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No Dixon and their forward
Line crumbles .. but they have a lot of goal kicking mids to keep them winning
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