Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

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Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Total Power]

You are too set in your ways about how you interpret the Bible. Once you decided you were an atheist, it's a crusade to find as much wrong with the Bible and its believers as you can, hence your hatred of Paul.

I deconverted cause i found out the bullshit. You have the cart before the horse. When i was a Christian i was desperate to confirm what i found out must be a lie, sadly for me this wasn't the case.

 

[Total Power]

I'm living today with you, in 2025 almost, with many years of life experience that you have zero idea about.

Clearly you are lacking. Vast majority of the scientists are ether atheists and agnostic. When asked if god created man, about 91% of the scientists in the US (which is still majority christian), said no.

They are much smarter than you and I.

 

[Vdubs]

Some men do, very few scientists now believe in God. In NASA about 3% of them believe in God.

With advancement of science, God is becoming extinct.You are still living in some 100 years ago where evolution was basically a myth.

Yep, this has all been prophesied.

 

[Total Power]

Yep, this has all been prophesied.

Wait, so....you have the numbers in your favour, you win. Now most people are ditching your religion, you also win.

LOL!

Brilliant. God works in amazing ways indeed.

 

[Vdubs]

Wait, so....you have the numbers in your favour, you win. Now most people are ditching your religion, you also win.

LOL!

Brilliant. God works in amazing ways indeed.

This is not Geelong v Port, Fed v Nadal.
This is SHOW ME THE LIGHT.

 

[Total Power]

This is not Geelong v Port, Fed v Nadal.
This is SHOW ME THE LIGHT.

Yeah the light which says join my fanclub orelse....

Threats dont work on smart people ,as for god who claims to love us uncondtionally , drowned everyone one of his creations.

Please, you are again digging a hole for yourself.

 

[Total Power]

Btw Paul is a fraud, i made a long post about it a few months ago, which you didn't reply to. There's ample evidence that he is a charlatan and most of you are Pauline Christians. Which is a shame cause Jesus wouldn't agree with many things this fraud has preached.

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah the light which says join my fanclub orelse....

Threats dont work on smart people ,as for god who claims to love us uncondtionally , drowned everyone one of his creations.

Please, you are again digging a hole for yourself.

Your stingy interpretation. I have never said OR ELSE. Free will here. My choices are clear, as are yours. We have no idea how God judges the sincerity of people, and it's certainly not my business, but because I am one of His, it is worth sharing with all people I care about what God has done for me and many others.
That is all.
Ciaou for now.

 

[Total Power]

Your stingy interpretation.
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Oh shut up. There's literally hundreds of verses which states i am evil for my thought and your deity policing my thought.
I am by default in the same group as a rapist and a murderer.

Rev 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Cor 1:6:9
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Cor 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
esp 5:7
Therefore do not become partners with unebelievers.


Gotta love thought crimes. Loved by tyrants, dystopias, and checks notes all loving perfectly moral beings who loves me uncondtionally.

FFS MATE, WAKE THE **** UP!!!!

I have never said OR ELSE. Free will here. My choices are clear, as are yours. We have no idea how God judges the sincerity of people, and it's certainly not my business,, it is worth sharing with all people I care about what God has done for me and many others.
That is all.
Ciaou for now.

Salvation is achieved through FAITH only. One of the reasons why Christianity is bullshit. You can rape 100 women, kill 100 babies but if you ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven. On the other hand, those babies who been r*ped turned atheists and they will be cast in the lake of fire.

Bible says this, not me.

This is not up for interpretation. Of course those verses don't suit your belief hence you have disregarded it?

How convenient. Another disgraceful attempt at it.

You are really disingenuous

but because I am one of His

Yeah sure , i will let ricky gervais take the piss out of you.



Jesus is never a god, he never claimed he was God.

I asked you a question, how old do you think John was, when Jesus was alive?

e I care about what God has done for me and many others.

As someone who ha spent an extensive period of time in 3rd world (Christian) countries, you must not open your mouth about what god has done for people.

From Palestine to Ukraine, from Sierra Leone to Rwanda, i have been everywhere.

You are just ignorant, knowing 50 people whose lives been changed through a circle of believers only.

How about millions who are armed with a Bible but going through rape, murder, torture and living in extreme conditions?

Shouldn't god help them first? they are praying too.

But god worries about you and the first world people you know?

Shame on you. As i said you are disingenuous. Spend a month in an African country and tell me where Jesus is. He is busy fixing the life of White people.

Mother Theresa was Christian. She wrote a letter to the Pope saying i devote all my life to the Lord but Lord has never shown a glimpse of him.

But yeah he is busy talking to you.

You are special.

As i said, seek help, i think your temporal lobe is hyperactive which is why you have these religious experiences.

And then you wonder why people are leaving your religion...it's called education and freedom!

True enlightenment is here

 

[Total Power]

This is SHOW ME THE LIGHT.

By trying to find the light, you have seen nothing but through role colored glasses. Over the past 5 years i have broken down exactly why Christianity is just immoral and your responses are

1. Lives been changed.
2. 2 billion people.
3. Some smart people were Christians.

All these 3 arguments are hopeless and none of them constitute an 'argument'. It's special pleading.

Christian lessons in schools were common some 100 years ago. People grew up indoctrinated (just like i did). They didn't know otherwise. It's no longer the case. We have a choice and we have the internet, which is an ocean of resource in front of you.

Books like Bart Ehrman's book would have been banned some 100 years ago. That restricts freedom of thought, cause you are simply not allowed to think otherwise.

If it was 100 years ago, i wouldn't have found out the fraud that your religion is, i would have been a Christian too.

Those who did oppose Christianity, like Fred Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung etc, i truly salute them.

 

[Total Power]

You are too set in your ways about how you interpret the Bible. Once you decided you were an atheist, it's a crusade to find as much wrong with the Bible and its believers as you can, hence your hatred of Paul.

Ezekiel 23:20:

"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

or

Psalm 137:9 Blessed is the one who grabs your babies and dashes them against jagged rocks.

It usually stops people from talking to me about the Bible anymore.

What's your interpretation of this verse?

Oh wait it's OT.

Shall we talk about NT now?

Again. As much as you my friend love (paying lip service to) loving thy neighbour, the main message is that the NT wasn’t harsh enough. Anger is just as bad as murder, lust is adultery of the heart, and divorce is only allowed for ‘sexual immorality’. So stay with your abusers, never resist anyone, and police your own thoughts or be in danger of hellfire.

Or...

"Women should not talk in front of men"

"Wife should submit to the husbands"

"Unbelievers are as bright as a dogs vomit"

etc.

Or even better: When a canaanite woman begs Jesus for help and he initially ignores her plea for help, saying “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel” and “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” she responds, degrading herself, calling herself a dog and begging for crumbs from the metaphorical table. He obliges and smiles!

What's your interpretation of these verses?

Jesus was a an ok guy, nothing special..Buddha was better.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Science and faith in God are definitely not mutually exclusive.

Absolutely.

But when a conundrum inevitably comes along, the crucial difference between you and me is that atheists like me will ultimately defer to rationality (or an admission that we simply don’t know and will never know), and religious believers like you will ultimately defer to metaphysics.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep, this has all been prophesied.

So… life, the universe, the whole damn thing… is rigged??

 

[Roylion]

Yep, this has all been prophesied.

I see no reason to accept that 'prophecy' exists at all.

 

[Vdubs]

Absolutely.

But when a conundrum inevitably comes along, the crucial difference between you and me is that atheists like me will ultimately defer to rationality (or an admission that we simply don’t know and will never know), and religious believers like you will ultimately defer to metaphysics.

Example of your conundrum?
I always maintain I will never know most things.
All I do know is what happened to me after conversion.

 

[Vdubs]

Oh shut up. There's literally hundreds of verses which states i am evil for my thought and your deity policing my thought.
I am by default in the same group as a rapist and a murderer.

Rev 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Cor 1:6:9
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Cor 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
esp 5:7
Therefore do not become partners with unebelievers.


Gotta love thought crimes. Loved by tyrants, dystopias, and checks notes all loving perfectly moral beings who loves me uncondtionally.

FFS MATE, WAKE THE **** UP!!!!




Salvation is achieved through FAITH only. One of the reasons why Christianity is bullshit. You can rape 100 women, kill 100 babies but if you ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven. On the other hand, those babies who been r*ped turned atheists and they will be cast in the lake of fire.

Bible says this, not me.

This is not up for interpretation. Of course those verses don't suit your belief hence you have disregarded it?

How convenient. Another disgraceful attempt at it.

You are really disingenuous



Yeah sure , i will let ricky gervais take the piss out of you.

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Jesus is never a god, he never claimed he was God.

I asked you a question, how old do you think John was, when Jesus was alive?



As someone who ha spent an extensive period of time in 3rd world (Christian) countries, you must not open your mouth about what god has done for people.

From Palestine to Ukraine, from Sierra Leone to Rwanda, i have been everywhere.

You are just ignorant, knowing 50 people whose lives been changed through a circle of believers only.

How about millions who are armed with a Bible but going through rape, murder, torture and living in extreme conditions?

Shouldn't god help them first? they are praying too.

But god worries about you and the first world people you know?

Shame on you. As i said you are disingenuous. Spend a month in an African country and tell me where Jesus is. He is busy fixing the life of White people.

Mother Theresa was Christian. She wrote a letter to the Pope saying i devote all my life to the Lord but Lord has never shown a glimpse of him.

But yeah he is busy talking to you.

You are special.

As i said, seek help, i think your temporal lobe is hyperactive which is why you have these religious experiences.

And then you wonder why people are leaving your religion...it's called education and freedom!

True enlightenment is here

Nice rant.If you think Western Christians have never had these concerns about places like Africa, you are misguided at best.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Example of your conundrum?

Any of the many scenarios where observable phenomena contradict deeply-held beliefs, be they religious or profane.

All I do know is what happened to me after conversion.

Yes but the problem for all proselytising religions is that we don't know that; only you know that.

 

[Total Power]

Nice rant.If you think Western Christians have never had these concerns about places like Africa, you are misguided at best.

Rant? more like facts.

Great reply, if you actually reply to my posts without having a go at me?

Another nothing post really.

God has far bigger problems than listening to your prayers.

I gave the Palestine example, the first Christians are dying but he is busy changing your life.

Imagine that...privileged white first world male.

 

[Total Power]

All I do know is what happened to me after conversion.

And i know what happened to me after deconversion. But somehow that experience is irrelevant.

What other bias' do you have?

I was talking to one of my Muslim convert friends last night and he said conversion from christianity to Islam is the best thing he has done in his life. Now he knows he is with the real god and not a man-made one.

These stories do not matter to you. Only the ones you want to hear.

 

[Vdubs]

And i know what happened to me after deconversion. But somehow that experience is irrelevant.

What other bias' do you have?

I was talking to one of my Muslim convert friends last night and he said conversion from christianity to Islam is the best thing he has done in his life. Now he knows he is with the real god and not a man-made one.

These stories do not matter to you. Only the ones you want to hear.

That sums you up to a tee- no matter what a believer says here, it can never appease you as your heart has hardened, seemingly indefinitely.
What was your actual conversion experience like?
How did you deconvert?

 

[Vdubs]

Any of the many scenarios where observable phenomena contradict deeply-held beliefs, be they religious or profane.

Yes but the problem for all proselytising religions is that we don't know that; only you know that.

Your 3 best conundrums, before the year ends...

 

[Total Power]

That sums you up to a tee- no matter what a believer says here, it can never appease you as your heart has hardened, seemingly indefinitely.

Hardened heart? nope, there's enough shit in your book to throw anyone away. You can start from Genesis and end with Revelation. The passages and stories are not original to begin with plus the shit morality....why do i need to obey god who thinks woman are inferior?

do you think a divine being would consider someone evil for exercising the right to free thinking? Literally i am worse than a rapist, murderer and a adulterer for not believing in your deity. Do you think a loving being can say that? Before you say 'but you are cherry picking', please read my post above, literally 10's of passages say 'an unbeliever is worth a dog's vomit'.

it's not a divine being it's from men, who wants you to follow their cult. Read my post above very carefully.

What was your actual conversion experience like?

There's no conversion experience. I was brainwashed by my dad to believe and trust in Jesus and have a personal relationship with him despite his life being worse than hell. I grew up following Jesus and reading the Bible and praying 7 days a week. I memorised almost all of Bible by the time i was 16.

How did you deconvert?

I presented enough evidence here and i have spoken about it 100's of times here.

Death of a thousand cuts and I tried desperately to make myself believe.
It's easy to use the bible to hate, there's plenty of stuff that is not condoned by the Bible. You have to work hard to use it to love. If there was a loving god then he would have made it work the other way around. The sheer absurdity of claims and ultimately reading the context of these verses. Many years later i read Nietzsche then Bart Ehrman, Richard Carrier etc which pretty much confirmed what i found out by myself. Bart's work is pretty phenomenal in calling a con a con.

When I decided I was done it felt like I could finally breathe. I felt the joy of knowing my thoughts are not being seen by a god that is constantly judging me. I did not have to justify things I instinctively see as wrong because they are condoned in the bible. I felt comfortable and at peace which is ironically the thing I was seeking within Christianity.

Best decision of my life and made my life (and my families life) so much better.

I am not anti-religion, just that Christianity is not a good religion to be around. Buddhism is far superior and this is why so many Jesus quotes that you like to parrot are lifted from Buddhism.

 

[Vdubs]

Hardened heart? nope, there's enough shit in your book to throw anyone away. You can start from Genesis and end with Revelation. The passages and stories are not original to begin with plus the shit morality....why do i need to obey god who thinks woman are inferior?

do you think a divine being would consider someone evil for exercising the right to free thinking? Literally i am worse than a rapist, murderer and a adulterer for not believing in your deity. Do you think a loving being can say that? Before you say 'but you are cherry picking', please read my post above, literally 10's of passages say 'an unbeliever is worth a dog's vomit'.

it's not a divine being it's from men, who wants you to follow their cult. Read my post above very carefully.


There's no conversion experience. I was brainwashed by my dad to believe and trust in Jesus and have a personal relationship with him despite his life being worse than hell. I grew up following Jesus and reading the Bible and praying 7 days a week. I memorised almost all of Bible by the time i was 16.



I presented enough evidence here and i have spoken about it 100's of times here.

Death of a thousand cuts and I tried desperately to make myself believe.
It's easy to use the bible to hate, there's plenty of stuff that is not condoned by the Bible. You have to work hard to use it to love. If there was a loving god then he would have made it work the other way around. The sheer absurdity of claims and ultimately reading the context of these verses. Many years later i read Nietzsche then Bart Ehrman, Richard Carrier etc which pretty much confirmed what i found out by myself. Bart's work is pretty phenomenal in calling a con a con.

When I decided I was done it felt like I could finally breathe. I felt the joy of knowing my thoughts are not being seen by a god that is constantly judging me. I did not have to justify things I instinctively see as wrong because they are condoned in the bible. I felt comfortable and at peace which is ironically the thing I was seeking within Christianity.

Best decision of my life and made my life (and my families life) so much better.

I am not anti-religion, just that Christianity is not a good religion to be around. Buddhism is far superior and this is why so many Jesus quotes that you like to parrot are lifted from Buddhism.

What do you think of committed Christians who engage with you, after you citing that Christians should never befriend non-believers? Not saying we are mates, but we do communicate a lot, considering many differences.
Point being, your experience as a Christian does sound far from a loving one, and although you have discovered your own Nirvana almost, I have read all your posts, and clearly can not reply to them, but my own understanding of Christianity is far from rigid, and not fundamental, and although you ask brilliant probing questions, and make points that many Christians clearly think about, my faith continues.
I may have less intense Bible knowledge than you, but it's not important.

 

[Total Power]

What do you think of committed Christians who engage with you, after you citing that Christians should never befriend non-believers?

Exactly...why not be obedient? it's god's command, why pick and choose?

Not saying we are mates, but we do communicate a lot, considering many differences.

Cause we moved away from such stone age beliefs. In the roman empire an unbeliever was an outcast. Unbelievers were worse than murderers and blasphemy was punished through death penalty.

Point being, your experience as a Christian does sound far from a loving one,

I thought i was having a personal relationship with Jesus, my dad told me he had a personal relationship. So i asked him why is his life so shit then, he said 'it's a test from god'...and i believed him.

It wasn't until i broke away from Christianity and made my own life a success, it lifted him from the pits of darkness too. Now he admits his personal relationship was no good and maybe i was right.

He is still a Christian but not as strong

and although you have discovered your own Nirvana almost, I have read all your posts

Then why ask the same questions?

, and clearly can not reply to them, but my own understanding of Christianity is far from rigid, and not fundamental, and although you ask brilliant probing questions, and make points that many Christians clearly think about, my faith continues.
I may have less intense Bible knowledge than you, but it's not important.

Bible is the book that your god wants people to read. This is a glimpse of your god. Why not make it more acceptable? that was my first question.Why threaten people every step of the way? why tell people, believe or go to hell? why discriminate against homosexuals who basically are like this by birth? why encourage slavery? why curse us and expect us to fail...and then seek refuge in him for salvation? we are set up to worship him.

It's absurd...just plain and purely absurd. Without even going into the contradictions, it's just absurd. Jesus then proceeds to hate a Canaanite woman and asks her to beg for food, simply because she was a Canaanite.

Then the right to own slaves. I had this debate with Christians in many other forums and they go live 'yes it's true, under certain conditions'. Uh, if by "specific conditions" you mean they couldn't enslave their fellow Isralites into perpetuity, that's correct. But for foreigners it absolutely was race-based chattel slavery. This was directly under God's command, affirmed by NT too.

Also, one would not expect God to say "no" merely as we became aware slaves were people. One would expect God to say "no" from the outset. God said "no" to plenty of other things, some things are just unacceptable, yet back in those days it was acceptable.

It cannot be a divine morality if it reflected the society back in those days.

There's millions of other things from Genesis to revelation to Paul to Peter, but i am not going into that again...the gimpse is no good. If the glimpse is that bad, do i wish to know what's lies ahead? nope.

uncondtional love isn't about hating..why is why i gave you my dogs example. My dog loves me unconditionally and will do anything for me. I don't even need to love him back. This is why DOG is oppose of God.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Your 3 best conundrums, before the year ends...

You’re such a dag! Happy new year.

I’m not a scientist, but I do know that in the areas of astrophysics and microbiology alone, there are any number of unexplained phenomena for which we don’t currently have explanations.

Now, devotees of scientific enquiry will say we are working on it, there’s every chance we will have an answer one day; there’s every chance we may never have an answer - but that doesn’t mean science is flawed, or wrong (and it must be said, comparing the track records, since the enlightenment, of science vs religion - science has come up with proof after proof about the way the world works, and at an accelerating rate, while religion has come up with: precisely nothing)

Meanwhile, by comparison, religion (with zero supporting evidence) says “it must be god then”, or “god works in mysterious ways, doesn’t it”, or similar evasive copout stuff.