Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Vdubs]

So God existed for an infinite period of time before he got a bug up his holy arse to create the universe/world? What, he finally got bored? Decided to make a Sim game?

The whole concept of "metaphysical necessity" is just empty word play, cutting off the infinite regress by fiat.

you always measure God from your pov- you could look at it in a completely different way without denigrating your intelligence.
I don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO, Yet we question it every day.

 

[Roylion]

I don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO,

So "God", if it even exists (and there is no evidence of that), is unknowable by man.

 

[Vdubs]

So "God", if it even exists (and there is no evidence of that), is unknowable by man.

That He was until He sent a human form of Himself in Jesus Christ. People who know Jesus are not warped or deluded, and directly know God.

 

[Roylion]

That He was until He sent a human form of Himself in Jesus Christ.

But that is only an unsubstantiated claim also. As 'God' (if it exists at all) is unknowable, how would you know that it did that? Who made that claim?

People who know Jesus are not warped or deluded, and directly know God.

Once again, that is a claim that is made with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

 

[Vdubs]

But that is only an unsubstantiated claim also. As 'God' (if it exists at all) is unknowable, how would you know that it did that? Who made that claim?


Once again, that is a claim that is made with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

plenty of evidence for those who have found God through Jesus

 

[Roylion]

plenty of evidence for those who have found God through Jesus

How do they know they have found “God” when it (“God”) is unknowable?

 

[Total Power]

you always measure God from your pov- you could look at it in a completely different way without denigrating your intelligence.
I don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO, Yet we question it every day.

Sure you can't define an entity that doesn't exist but you sure can rip the Bible apart, which apparently came from 'God'. Have you read the creation story in the Bible? (irrespective of the fact that it's copied) even if it's a metaphor it's absolute ludicrous. Why did Jesus extend his genealogy to Adam if Adam was just a metaphor???? well?????

From outdated morality to examples of failed prophecies, to bad science, from ruthless killings etc do you think the creator of the universe who is allmighty have given up a book full of **** ?

Putting together a few empty words like 'he lives forever' , means absolutely nothing. You do not know that, you couldn't possibly have known that, you are just making shit up as per your belief tells you.

 

[Total Power]

plenty of evidence for those who have found God through Jesus

Plenty with Allah , Shiva , Pagans etc. How many testimonials do you want me to post? So it must be polytheism then as mentioned in OT? if Jesus is not the only way, but only one of the many ways, they your argument is moot.

Btw i really do believe that Israel is the devil..hence there's a strong case that OT and NT are works of the devil fooling you into believing 'god'.

 

[Total Power]

That He was until He sent a human form of Himself in Jesus Christ. People who know Jesus are not warped or deluded, and directly know God.

Ah Trinity etc, what other made up concepts have you fallen for? Augustine have conned people and after 1700 years we have brainwashed indoctrinated people still...what a great salesman, my company can use some of them right now.

If aliens landed on earth and read the Bible from cover to cover, outside of 2 verses in John, they wouldn't have known anything about Trinity or Jesus being God. (divine yes, God no). Your mate rossy here tried hard to debunk me last time but failed. And you're a lightweight.

 

[Vdubs]

the annual visit here never fails to deliver...
see you all next November!

 

[Total Power]

the annual visit here never fails to deliver...
see you all next November!

lol! as expected. Don't think of this place as your Sunday morning echo chambers, expect people to challenge your beliefs. Whether you sweep it under the rug without a valid explanation or not is upto you.

 

[Roylion]

the annual visit here never fails to deliver...

Indeed. You fail to answer the same questions in your 'annual visit' as was asked of you last time.

How do 'they' know they have found “God” 'through Jesus' as you claimed, when it (“God”) is unknowable? After all it was you who said that "I don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO,".

Yet at the same time, you claim that man was made in God's image and it sent a human form of himself to earth. How do you know either of these things when you have virtually admitted it ("God") is unknowable?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

the annual visit here never fails to deliver...

Well you do seem to have a somewhat impermeable intellect.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Christianity is a convenient, unproven theory at best.

 

[Total Power]

Christianity is a convenient, unproven theory at best.

There are several religions older than Christianity, with numerous miraculous claims who could say the same thing. People have also been slaughtered for many other religions, often by Christians! Nothing they offer is proof at all, or unique to Christianity.

Either way, there seem to be a significant number of people who do not have any evidence to support their belief, and they invoke faith instead. Some try to put forward evidence, but then fall back to "faith" when their evidence is challenged.

This is why there can be no discussion with VD. I have provided extensive evidence that Original Sin and Trinity is a made up concept, yet nothing changed his mind. Many even go as far as to say that the reason they have no evidence is because God deliberately doesn't provide any, as this would negate the need for faith; and that faith is actually something virtuous: believing in spite of any evidence is something good, for which they will be rewarded.

It's a circlejerk cult basically..

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There are several religions older than Christianity, with numerous miraculous claims who could say the same thing. People have also been slaughtered for many other religions, often by Christians! Nothing they offer is proof at all, or unique to Christianity.

Either way, there seem to be a significant number of people who do not have any evidence to support their belief, and they invoke faith instead. Some try to put forward evidence, but then fall back to "faith" when their evidence is challenged.

This is why there can be no discussion with VD. I have provided extensive evidence that Original Sin and Trinity is a made up concept, yet nothing changed his mind. Many even go as far as to say that the reason they have no evidence is because God deliberately doesn't provide any, as this would negate the need for faith; and that faith is actually something virtuous: believing in spite of any evidence is something good, for which they will be rewarded.

It's a circlejerk cult basically..

Yeah I can’t get past the idea of the all-powerful creator of the universe setting a little challenge for one species of mammal on one planet because… well because why?

It seems such a pathetically, hilariously human thing for an all-powerful creator of the universe to be bothering itself with.

 

[Roylion]

Nothing they offer is proof at all, or unique to Christianity.

It's a circlejerk cult basically..

And quoting Scripture as some sort of evidence for the truth of their claims is absolutely meaningless. It's effectively saying the Bible is true because it says it's true. Which of course is nonsense. Circular reasoning at its best.

 

[Vdubs]

Indeed. You fail to answer the same questions in your 'annual visit' as was asked of you last time.

How do 'they' know they have found “God” 'through Jesus' as you claimed, when it (“God”) is unknowable? After all it was you who said that "I don't have the audacity to define God, his timing, his existence, his MO,".

Yet at the same time, you claim that man was made in God's image and it sent a human form of himself to earth. How do you know either of these things when you have virtually admitted it ("God") is unknowable?

This quiet time of year...
GOD is difficult to define by us humans- how can we possibly comprehend all He is and can do and has done, but through Jesus we have direct access to God.
Jesus, as a man, is very knowable, and God has the ability and power to send us this human version of HIMSELF for all mankind.
Now Christians live through His Spirit and can communicate directly with God by prayer, fellowship, and worship.
It's amazing.

 

[Vdubs]

Well you do seem to have a somewhat impermeable intellect.

AS IF you would have a clue about anyone's intellect through these posts.

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah I can’t get past the idea of the all-powerful creator of the universe setting a little challenge for one species of mammal on one planet because… well because why?

It seems such a pathetically, hilariously human thing for an all-powerful creator of the universe to be bothering itself with.

As if you know what God is doing elsewhere, you poor pitiful isolated human being...

 

[Vdubs]

And quoting Scripture as some sort of evidence for the truth of their claims is absolutely meaningless. It's effectively saying the Bible is true because it says it's true. Which of course is nonsense. Circular reasoning at its best.

Yes, it's a simple book of nursery rhymes...

The Bible was way ahead of its time, and still is the ONLY book that answers the questions many of us yearn to know. It still influences millions of people today, including you guys who try and dismember it regularly.

 

[Vdubs]

lol! as expected. Don't think of this place as your Sunday morning echo chambers, expect people to challenge your beliefs. Whether you sweep it under the rug without a valid explanation or not is upto you.

I don't need my beliefs to be challenged by pseudo-atheists, and it's quirky that every visit here is dominated by the same antagonists with the same arguments.
I never ask you guys to believe what I regard as the Truth, but only to accept that we have all the "evidence" we need and none of the dug up historical innuendo you raise will dilute that faith.

 

[Total Power]

I don't need my beliefs to be challenged by pseudo-atheists, and it's quirky that every visit here is dominated by the same antagonists with the same arguments.
I never ask you guys to believe what I regard as the Truth, but only to accept that we have all the "evidence" we need and none of the dug up historical innuendo you raise will dilute that faith.

You can call me whatever you want, i do not care what you in believe in. We are here for a discussion and everytime you are asked a question your reply is always the same 'lives have been changed'. The Bible is the apparent word of God can we can analyze what this so called 'God' said in the context of things we already know and unfortunately everytime you are asked the tough question you run away or reply in some sort of an anecdote as if that constitutes evidence.

Maybe it's time for you to look up what evidence means, of course i know what you believe in but that's not evidence.

 

[Total Power]

Yes, it's a simple book of nursery rhymes...

The Bible was way ahead of its time, and still is the ONLY book that answers the questions many of us yearn to know. It still influences millions of people today, including you guys who try and dismember it regularly.

Really? why then half the saying of Jesus appeared in Buddhism and said by Confucius some 500 years ago?

repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

 

[Total Power]

Jesus, as a man, is very knowable, and God has the ability and power to send us this human version of HIMSELF for all mankind.
Now Christians live through His Spirit and can communicate directly with God by prayer, fellowship, and worship.
It's amazing.

Really, except for those 2 verses in John where did Jesus claim he was God? if Jesus was God don't you think Mark matthew and luke would make an effort to convey the message? divine doesn't equal to God, multiple times in the synoptics he said he is lesser than God and his father is GREATER than him.