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Nugett said:
I’d say more Batista than Goldberg. Even a young version of Brock, before he went to UFC. The thing with Goldberg he was easily found out against Bret Hart and Regal. Wardlow seems to have a better understanding and awareness.
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He looks more like Batista but is booked like Goldberg. Wardlow being at the stage of going through Scorpio Sky for the TNT title is perhaps comparable to Goldberg going through Raven for the WCW US title.

Although him being in the Pinnacle and turning on the leader MJF is like Batista being in Evolution and turning on Triple H though.
 
St Kilda Death said:
Wtf is a casual fan?
Is that someone who only watches Wwe because that’s the big leagues?
But then they are not a casual fan of wwe, only aew japan etc?
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I’d define it as a person who doesn’t make wrestling, or a certain wrestling show, appointment viewing. But will watch when something of particular interest garners their attention. Also someone who doesn’t invest financially.
 

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Cleavy said:
You could argue Jade is being booked more like Goldberg than Wardlow is.
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I agree with Jade being booked like Goldberg, where it’s just domination. Pretty much like Asuka’s run in NXT.

RossFC said:
He looks more like Batista but is booked like Goldberg. Wardlow being at the stage of going through Scorpio Sky for the TNT title is perhaps comparable to Goldberg going through Raven for the WCW US title.

Although him being in the Pinnacle and turning on the leader MJF is like Batista being in Evolution and turning on Triple H though.
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Wardlow, while being booked prominently and having the Goldberg type of entrance has still lost some high profile matches. His age as well is comparable to Batista, along with both starting out as the muscle of the group(s) inner circle/pinnacle, before doing the baby face turn.

Both Jade and Wardlow, will be future World champions in the near future, Which should be good for the company in moving forward, without hopefully having to rely on ex WWE personnel.

Regarding Wardlow their is a strong argument for both Batista and Goldberg booking perception, I just see it as more Batista/ than Goldberg 😀
 
ULTIMATE_WARRIOR said:
I’d define it as a person who doesn’t make wrestling, or a certain wrestling show, appointment viewing. But will watch when something of particular interest garners their attention. Also someone who doesn’t invest financially.
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I would put myself in this category.

I came back to wrestling once Punk returned because I've always been a huge fan and I was willing to go back full time as an AEW watcher. But after seeing all the silly shit from OC and the Best Friends, The Young Bucks etc are doing and seeing how inconsistent the show and booking has been I've gone back to seeing clips or watching but skipping a fair few segments. MJF, Punk and Danielson being out has contributed to that aswell.

AEW have alot of guys that I really want to see like Hobbs, Starks, Jay Lethal, Samoa Joe, the Acclaimed but they are getting not alot of build or are hardly on the show.

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Phone said:
AEW's YouTube, ranked by "most viewed". Can anyone spot a theme

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That YouTube video counts are a bad indicator of the tastes of many. The Great Khali has 2 of the Top 10 WWE youtube videos of all time. Does that make him popular?
 

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I'm not sure how much more of indicator towards appealing to "casual fans" you can get than being in a bunch of AEW's most viewed free videos despite never being a title holder, not really having an interaction with one top star (Moxley) & barely interacting with another (Omega), and I think Page is also a barely interacted star as well

It's insane that two years the Orange Cassidy debate is still going on. There's nothing new to say. He sells merch, he gets great crowd reactions, doesn't harm ratings, has good matches, is a safe worker and does all these things without needing to even push him to the moon (see 0-6 in title matches or whatever it is). That's an insanely valuable wrestler. That's nothing more to say. OC won and the people who dislike the character lost. Hell at this point the "yeah well it'll get old!!" line doesn't work. People can continue not to enjoy him, that's fine, but equally plenty of people clearly do enjoy him

On the actual match there's a couple of things that seem to be over-looked. Someone said Wardlow has been squashing everyone and cited Scorpio Sky, but the problem with their two matches was that they were absolutely not squashes. If you take out the first 3 minutes of OC/Wardlow (the cheating and stand off part) you're left with a match that is a similar match length to those Sky matches. And of course....Cassidy got an assist with the cheating that let him land a superman punch (which btw, you can't get a better example of how OC is a fantastic wrestler than getting a superman punch, one of the worst moves in wrestling, to be a big move) to get OC into the match which is a fairly important note. Wardlow also went 6 minutes odd with both Nick Comoroto and the Blade with both of them getting moves in. MJF is really the only guy with a decent cagematch profile that Wardlow has properly squashed (Spears if you count that match as well) in recent months.
 
Phone said:
I'm not sure how much more of indicator towards appealing to "casual fans" you can get than being in a bunch of AEW's most viewed free videos despite never being a title holder, not really having an interaction with one top star (Moxley) & barely interacting with another (Omega), and I think Page is also a barely interacted star as well
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What?

Orange Cassidy wrestled against Kenny Omega at Double or Nothing 2021 ;)

Also-- how many of those 42/ 36 million YouTube views has AEW converted into fans (HINT: not many of them). YouTube views are a poor indicator of popularity due to the viewership of YouTube being incredibly skewed by one country that doesn't bring in significant revenue for any major wrestling company.

Phone said:
Cassidy got an assist with the cheating that let him land a superman punch (which btw, you can't get a better example of how OC is a fantastic wrestler than getting a superman punch, one of the worst moves in wrestling, to be a big move) to get OC into the match which is a fairly important note.
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If being able to get the crowd to react to a Superman punch, then that must make Roman Reigns the great professional wrestler that ever lived.

Is it that difficult to understand that some people aren't a fan of Orange Cassidy and that he does cause some people to switch off.
 
Calcium said:
You totally miss the point but okay. Live in La La land
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Am I living in "La La Land" because I remembered that Orange Cassidy has faced off against Kenny Omega for the AEW title at a PPV?

Weird response, but you do you.
 
Calcium said:
Well done. Reference one line of your post and ignore the rest. You do you
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I referenced other parts of your post as well
  • The flaws of using YouTube view counts to suggest anything due to the inflation of numbers from Indian viewers
  • The reference to the Superman punch being ridiculous because it's an easy move to get over.

Just because you like Orange Cassidy doesn't mean that everyone does. You could read through all 116 pages of this thread & likely find a complaint about him on at least 25 of them. He's a polarising character that as myself and others have said some viewers don't like.
 
Senor M said:
What?

Orange Cassidy wrestled against Kenny Omega at Double or Nothing 2021 ;)

Also-- how many of those 42/ 36 million YouTube views has AEW converted into fans (HINT: not many of them). YouTube views are a poor indicator of popularity due to the viewership of YouTube being incredibly skewed by one country that doesn't bring in significant revenue for any major wrestling company.



If being able to get the crowd to react to a Superman punch, then that must make Roman Reigns the great professional wrestler that ever lived.

Is it that difficult to understand that some people aren't a fan of Orange Cassidy and that he does cause some people to switch off.
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in a triple threat match with PAC. in a build that was messed up by Cassidy being injured in the match setting up the title shot. In three odd years of AEW, this triple threat is the only match Cassidy and Omega have been in. I think it's fair enough to say that they've barely interacted.

It's very easy to understand people not being a fan of Cassidy. It's not easy to understand those same people continuing to talk about it this far into it. Nothing has changed for a very long time.

I didn't say anything about the crowd reacting to the Superman punch. I said he has made it into a big move, which for me means yes getting the crowd to react but also actually buying the move as a finish and a finish I'd like. Roman's superman punch, back when I watched which was ages ago, didn't have that for me, but I don't blame Roman for that. It wasn't a good move for what he was at the time. It might be good now, I dunno I don't watch him. Big Show's superman punch.......yeah
 
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Phone said:
in a triple threat match with PAC. in a build that was messed up by Cassidy being injured in the match setting up the title shot. In three odd years of AEW, this triple threat is the only match Cassidy and Omega have been in. I think it's fair enough to say that they've barely interacted.
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It was an AEW World title match on PPV.

If you think that's "barely interacted" then that's your opinion. But I think using it to suggest the OC is popular despite being heavily pushed is quite inaccurate. Orange Cassidy is popular because he's been consistently given big matches and more importantly big wins since the start of AEW.

Despite being pushed, there's still a segment of the fan base that dislike him, no matter how you try to twist the narrative.
 
Senor M said:
It was an AEW World title match on PPV.

If you think that's "barely interacted" then that's your opinion. But I think using it to suggest the OC is popular despite being heavily pushed is quite inaccurate. Orange Cassidy is popular because he's been consistently given big matches and more importantly big wins since the start of AEW.

Despite being pushed, there's still a segment of the fan base that dislike him, no matter how you try to twist the narrative.
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And it's the only time him and Omega have crossed paths. A seldom seen triple-threat title match that didn't main event the PPV

lol. maybe he's consistently given big matches and big wins given he's popular? [btw, citation needed. Cassidy's lost most of his big matches - PAC in 2020, Ospreay, all of his title shot matches and some title shot opportunity matches too. The two biggest wins that I can think of were both re-matches, Cole and Jericho, both with gimmicks, Cole's re-match more so. He is dominant over the mid-card though]

I'm saying I completely understand that some people dislike him. I don't understand why people continue to talk about it. This is the type of conversation that I could understand after the Pac match in 2020. I do not understand it now because of the things I listed above - he's over, has a clear character, has good matches, is a safe worker and doesn't need to be protected and none of these things have changed for a very long time. He's given a platform, the match delivers, many people like it, some people think the other guy shouldn't give up so much to Cassidy's character.

People are also free to dislike Moxley, Jericho and whoever else they want, but I don't see the same repetitive talking points every time they're given a spotlight.
 
Phone said:
he's over, has a clear character, has good matches, is a safe worker and doesn't need to be protected and none of these things have changed for a very long time. He's given a platform, the match delivers, many people like it, some people think the other guy shouldn't give up so much to Cassidy's character.
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Yep. There’s no denying the fact that he’s over. Im not sure how people can measure what kind of fans he’s over with though. Outside of making up some “friends” to bolster your argument of course…
 
Shaxx Attaxx said:
Yep. There’s no denying the fact that he’s over. Im not sure how people can measure what kind of fans he’s over with though. Outside of making up some “friends” to bolster your argument of course…
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I think youtube views are a reasonable metric of mass appeal, which is a reasonable metric to measure casuals by...
 
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