USA Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders. The need for strong progressive voices in US politics.

[.Shotties.]

She might be at the forefront of putting the progressive message out there, but she's not at the forefront of common sense.

What is common sense in this context, exactly?

 

[faible]

What is common sense in this context, exactly?

<insert conservative talking points>

 

[Borough Blood]

You guys can have your circle jerk. I ignore it because you are adding nothing but syllables. I'm not going to interrupt echo chamber posters sniffing each others farts.

What a cop out. Grow a spine mate.

 

[Blue1980]

She supports a lot of things, many of which are sensible and many of which are not. It's not the list of positions of a successful presidential candidate though.

She might be at the forefront of putting the progressive message out there, but she's not at the forefront of common sense. Americans do not want what the DSA wants, and would not vote for the DSA to govern. So trying to turn the Democrats into the DSA would be...mor... not sensible. So as I said she has a long way to go.

Always interesting how ‘not sensible’ gets tossed around without specifics. Can you point to which of AOC’s policies are actually bad—without relying on culture war tropes or ‘the vibes are off’ arguments? Because when you look at her positions—universal healthcare, taxing billionaires, climate action, housing reform—they’re not just progressive, they’re wildly popular. So if that’s not ‘common sense,’ what is?

 

[Not Important]

I think more egregious people have been named in here as part of the great fight back (Buttigieg and Newsom as standouts); Warren does serve some good in the current Democrats. But it’s pretty telling that she was a Republican until 1996 and it was only then she thought they were getting too extreme for her. That’s pretty late to come to the table!

buttigieg has had his critics in the progressive movement and with some justification. however, he’s fought for a number of workers’ issues. raising the minimum wage. banning ‘right-to-work’ laws which prevent unions from collecting fees. imposing multimillion-dollar penalties on employers who violate workers' rights. make it harder for companies to classify workers as contractors. employers who seek to ban unions would have to give unions equal time to discuss the benefits of collective bargaining and has pushed for expanding collective bargaining. he advocated for 12 weeks of paid family leave in necessitous circumstances. ending documented workers being deported when they report workplace violations. advocated for equal pay. so he does possess progressive credentials in a key area.

 

[Not Important]

at last some fight.

Eliza Orlins (@elizaorlins.bsky.social)

Right now @booker.senate.gov is filibustering on the senate floor “for as long as [he is] physically able.” Grateful to see Dems with some fight in them! This part about John Lewis is particularly meaningful. Check it out and then go find Senator Booker live on every platform!!

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

You guys can have your circle jerk. I ignore it because you are adding nothing but syllables. I'm not going to interrupt echo chamber posters sniffing each others farts.

another erudite considered post from you. do you take your red cap off at anytime?

 

[Seeds]

Dem's 2016, stop Bernie in favour of Hillary

2020, again stop Bernie in favour of Biden

2024, don't do a primary

I think we all know they won't have anyone slightly in the socialists areas, Schumer signing off on the bills just shows this.

AOC and Waltz(sic) would have(will) won, Bernie gonna die soon but he did his best

I get 2016 but how did the dems stop him in 2020? Felt like the dem voters simply didn't want him in 2020.

 

[Not Important]

at long last the dems are showing some fight.

MSN

Cory Booker Bashed Trump on Senate Floor for 25 Straight Hours

Sen. Cory Booker, Democrat from New Jersey, bashed Donald Trump on the Senate floor for 25 straight hours.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Not Important]

I get 2016 but how did the dems stop him in 2020? Felt like the dem voters simply didn't want him in 2020.

but,but,but trump won in 2020. keep up.

 

[barreness]

I get 2016 but how did the dems stop him in 2020? Felt like the dem voters simply didn't want him in 2020.

If you don't mind the guardian, pretty good summary of the whole deal
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/democratic-primary-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-2020

The dem establishment(and money most importantly) got behind Biden, everyone else dropped and supported him(bar AOC). Throw in covid and the ability to stage manage zoom speeches from a geriatric

 

[carltonchelsea]

Because they are also idiots and go after low hanging fruit.

A normal person on the blue side of the aisle saying normal things that you might not necessarily agree with is a poor basis for rage bait.

A fair bit of projection going on with this poster it seems.
Everyone’s a moron or an idiot except you know who?!

 

[carltonchelsea]

Lol why would i be angry AOC being associated with the Dems is a good thing she join up with the other cackling hyena .

I rest my case your honour…

 

[carltonchelsea]

Kamala hasn't been seen all that much in January, but, in some exciting news, she's going to be in Australia in May on the Gold Coast!

Where?



Hopefully this means she's not going to run again, but she's bad enough at politics that it's hard to know for sure.

This is the AOC thread though, you should delete your post, it’s embarrassing!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There's no logical or internal consistency with those kinds of people. They simply hate anything they view as being 'the left'. They don't know what the left is. They don't know why they hate it. They just do.

Their entire vision of an ideal society can be summed up in one phrase: individual wealth.

Individual poverty, and shared wealth, are utterly abhorrent to them.

Shared poverty is OK because it usually implies the existence of their beloved individual wealth; made all the more obscene given the stark contrast.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Americans do not want what the DSA wants, and would not vote for the DSA to govern. So trying to turn the Democrats into the DSA would be...mor... not sensible. So as I said she has a long way to go.

Few would disagree with this. I daresay Orcasio-Cortez herself agrees she has a long way to go.

But the bigger picture is that America might not want what the DSA wants, but America clearly needs what the DSA wants.

As things currently stand, America is ****ed.

 

[Seeds]

If you don't mind the guardian, pretty good summary of the whole deal
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/democratic-primary-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-2020

The dem establishment(and money most importantly) got behind Biden, everyone else dropped and supported him(bar AOC). Throw in covid and the ability to stage manage zoom speeches from a geriatric

Thats not the same as 2016. They havent altered the vote.

Other moderates getting behind biden is no different to our two party system where the greens get behind labour if the greens cant win rather then give liberals a win. This is how the system should work. Now i dont think they should of got behind biden. I would of picked buttigieg. But the moderates getting behind one candidate was not only reasonable but the best way to reflect the will of the voters.

2016 on the other hand...... sanders was robbed.

 

[The Sultan]

This is the AOC thread though, you should delete your post, it’s embarrassing!

grifting real estate .. reminds me of someone.

 

[spinynorman]

Thats not the same as 2016. They havent altered the vote.

Other moderates getting behind biden is no different to our two party system where the greens get behind labour if the greens cant win rather then give liberals a win. This is how the system should work. Now i dont think they should of got behind biden. I would of picked buttigieg. But the moderates getting behind one candidate was not only reasonable but the best way to reflect the will of the voters.

2016 on the other hand...... sanders was robbed.

In the process they covered up Biden’s senility that was already apparent to some and would undo him (and the party) in 2024. We also had the wild sabotaging of the Iowa count.

Also Biden’s big comeback and then outright win was in part possible because of Covid - Sanders suggested voting be suspended and told people not to risk themselves and don’t turn up to vote, the DNC saw blood in the water and insisted everything was fine and kept it going (with Biden urging his voters to turn up and risk death) to kill off Bernie.

I agree not as egregious as 2016 and the Sanders campaign were outpoliticked but it still left a nasty taste in the mouth to many.

 

[RCAB]

Nope.

Can you do the same Kamala Harris? Still a terrible candidate.

You saying nope, to that question is articulating you have no idea whether AOC is competent or not.

Why bother coming in this thread and posting?

You just admitted something about yourself, the same thing that you claimed AOC is... out of her depth.

 

[Not Important]

progressives are again the ones showing some spine. let’s see how many democrats support it.

Dylan Williams (@dylanwilliams.bsky.social)

This is a war crime. The Trump Administration is breaking both U.S. and international law by continuing to supply Israel with the weapons it is using in such attacks. Senators should support @sanders.senate.gov’s legislation to be voted on this week to block new sales of offensive arms to...

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

You saying nope, to that question is articulating you have no idea whether AOC is competent or not.

Why bother coming in this thread and posting?

You just admitted something about yourself, the same thing that you claimed AOC is... out of her depth.

you could have put a full stop after "no idea"

 

[GreyCrow]

progressives are again the ones showing some spine. let’s see how many democrats support it.

Dylan Williams (@dylanwilliams.bsky.social)

This is a war crime. The Trump Administration is breaking both U.S. and international law by continuing to supply Israel with the weapons it is using in such attacks. Senators should support @sanders.senate.gov’s legislation to be voted on this week to block new sales of offensive arms to...

bsky.app

Its also a perfect wedge to those who called Biden a war criminal

 

[Not Important]

Its also a perfect wedge to those who called Biden a war criminal

good point. not that there's much doubt about that. it applies to all presidents, including democrats. obama was president when the last tranche of aid to the occupiers and aggressors was legislated.

 

[Not Important]

“In contrast, alternative progressive leaders like Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have proven to have a finger on the pulse of what young progressives are feeling and recognize the indignity of our current political climate. Their advocacy for bold reform and work alongside grassroots movements like the Sunrise Movement appeals to young people because they address social justice issues directly and aggressively”

I Used to Work for Chuck Schumer. He's Pushing Young People Away From the Democratic Party.

I blame my former boss for the party's failures.

www.teenvogue.com