News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[sydney_gws]

The afl have made a start on improving bid matching. A next step should be questioning why, the clear #1 pick was not bid on until #5. While the potential for collusion exists, clubs will find a way to rort the system.

I think for 1, Richmond don't bid as part of a deal, also so their guy gets the $10k bonus.
North probably as pick 2 wants to be 2 rather than 3, also maybe AFL involvement.
Carlton I think worked/ whinged about the new curve with Brisbane, so some solidarity. Also if Ashcrofts get sick of Brisbane in 6 years time, Carlton would want Brisbane to push them to Carlton.
Adelaide, I think want their hometown guy to be 4, rather than 5.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But to compare that to the premiers getting access to the clear best player in the country for 4 4th round picks. Its a by far the worst rort since cost of living

You (and the media) are deliberately taking the worst possible spin on the bid match. To get those later picks, the Lions had to trade away their first round pick. That sounds a little more substantial than four 4th round picks, doesn't it? And Marshall required next year's 2nd.

I don't know why you're complaining so much anyway, this was the last year of such a generous system and it won't be repeated.

 

[jdstorm]

You (and the media) are deliberately taking the worst possible spin on the bid match. To get those later picks, the Lions had to trade away their first round pick. That sounds a little more substantial than four 4th round picks, doesn't it? And Marshall required next year's 2nd.

I don't know why you're complaining so much anyway, this was the last year of such a generous system and it won't be repeated.

But that’s the point you got the best player in the draft for the worst pick in the first round which ended up being mid 20s

I like the system I just want it to be a fair price. It should hurt more to move up to that level of player. Any club should have to trade players to get those points.

Even the new system is a joke. It’s less blatant but still. It’s far too generous and that hurts the comp.

 

[Elixuh]

But that’s the point you got the best player in the draft for the worst pick in the first round which ended up being mid 20s

I like the system I just want it to be a fair price. It should hurt more to move up to that level of player. Any club should have to trade players to get those points.

Even the new system is a joke. It’s less blatant but still. It’s far too generous and that hurts the comp.

We got the 5th best player in the draft

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But that’s the point you got the best player in the draft

Very debatable. Multiple draft watchers didn't have Levi at #1 on their power rankings.

for the worst pick in the first round which ended up being mid 20s

Incorrect, there were three picks in the first round after Brisbane's first round pick. And again, this is a far cry from your initial assertion which made no mention of a first round pick at all.

I like the system I just want it to be a fair price. It should hurt more to move up to that level of player. Any club should have to trade players to get those points.

Gee, that sounds like you don't like the system then.

Even the new system is a joke. It’s less blatant but still. It’s far too generous and that hurts the comp.

Why don't you wait to see it in action before complaining? In the new system it will take four second round picks to match a bid at #5. Do you think that's going to be easy to stump up?

 

[Tom14]

So long as the tradeoff are all out of state sides get more games at the MCG. That should be in the fair compromise agreement

Geelong should be treated like an out of state side to reduce the double HGA they get from the cattery and the MCG. They can have easter Monday against the Hawks and that's it.

No I am not a crackpot.

 

[jdstorm]

Very debatable. Multiple draft watchers didn't have Levi at #1 on their power rankings.


Incorrect, there were three picks in the first round after Brisbane's first round pick. And again, this is a far cry from your initial assertion which made no mention of a first round pick at all.


Gee, that sounds like you don't like the system then.


Why don't you wait to see it in action before complaining? In the new system it will take four second round picks to match a bid at #5. Do you think that's going to be easy to stump up?

That’s correct I don’t like the system.
I respect Brisbane’s right to take advantage of it. I just think that makes things worse.

Ashcroft was a clear no1 that teams didn’t bother scouting and he would have gone first if Brisbane didn’t trade Richmond their FRP with an under the table deal. (Again every smart club would do the same thing complete respect)

Whoops didn’t count end of first compo picks. Doesn’t really change my point.

Things being harder then what they are now and things being fair are still a ways off. Melbourne offered 3FRP for Harley Reid same as Adelaide for JHf and that was rejected. That’s the real going rate for a pick 1. And yes I think if you have a mid first round pick and your own 2nd it will be fairly easy to get 4 2RP.

I think the lost flaw in the new system will be bids and compo picks pushing back the value of these picks. Which with a steeper points curve will hurt clubs trying to match the 4th or later best prospect.

 

[Tom14]

It shifts the range of matching picks. At the moment it's picks in the 40s, it'll shift to picks in the late 20s and 30s.

2nd round picks will become more valuable in trade and because a lot of them will disappear in matching, early 3rd round picks will move up and become more valuable in the draft.

This is a good point. Out of interest, I wonder if any club proactively got ahead of this and traded in a bunch of third rounders for next year?


Oh.

 

[Elixuh]

This is a good point. Out of interest, I wonder if any club proactively got ahead of this and traded in a bunch of third rounders for next year?


Oh.

I don’t know anything about draft picks and points, but we seem to have all the third rounders and if that ends up meaning something then I think we may win.

 

[Tom14]

That’s correct I don’t like the system.
I respect Brisbane’s right to take advantage of it. I just think that makes things worse.

Ashcroft was a clear no1 that teams didn’t bother scouting and he would have gone first if Brisbane didn’t trade Richmond their FRP with an under the table deal. (Again every smart club would do the same thing complete respect)

Whoops didn’t count end of first compo picks. Doesn’t really change my point.

Things being harder then what they are now and things being fair are still a ways off. Melbourne offered 3FRP for Harley Reid same as Adelaide for JHf and that was rejected. That’s the real going rate for a pick 1. And yes I think if you have a mid first round pick and your own 2nd it will be fairly easy to get 4 2RP.

I think the lost flaw in the new system will be bids and compo picks pushing back the value of these picks. Which with a steeper points curve will hurt clubs trying to match the 4th or later best prospect.

The other thing that actually hasn't come up yet to my knowledge is that if you make finals and/or top 4, there are limits for nothern academies in terms of matching bids. I think if you finish top 4 you can only match one top 20 bid on an academy player, and two if you finish in the top 8. Didn't affect Brisbane in 2022 as Ashcroft and Fletcher were F/S, not academy.

The 2023 Gold Coast draft can only happen if the team misses the 8. Not sure that is the most well targeted limitation but it si something at least.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ashcroft was a clear no1 that teams didn’t bother scouting and he would have gone first if Brisbane didn’t trade Richmond their FRP with an under the table deal. (Again every smart club would do the same thing complete respect)

Okay, that's your opinion. I think I'll go with the draft watchers though. They didn't have a consensus #1 talent.

Things being harder then what they are now and things being fair are still a ways off. Melbourne offered 3FRP for Harley Reid same as Adelaide for JHf and that was rejected. That’s the real going rate for a pick 1.

No, that's the going rate for a consensus pick 1 with zero go home factor. Ashcroft was not a consensus pick 1.

And yes I think if you have a mid first round pick and your own 2nd it will be fairly easy to get 4 2RP.

Please explain how that works. And Brisbane don't have their own 2nd next year.

I think the lost flaw in the new system will be bids and compo picks pushing back the value of these picks. Which with a steeper points curve will hurt clubs trying to match the 4th or later best prospect.

It definitely sets an upper limit on the number of players you can get without making sacrifices. Gold Coast will still get a few next year because of the picks they accumulated from this draft, but it's going to be difficult beyond that. There are three U15 AAs from the Lions academy who are eligible in 2027 and we're going to struggle to get more than one of them.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

This is a good point. Out of interest, I wonder if any club proactively got ahead of this and traded in a bunch of third rounders for next year?


Oh.

I don't know if it was intentional on their part, but Adelaide also seem to have collected a few thirds.