911's a joke

[truth-2-power]

This guy reckons he's on the case...

How Israeli terrorism and American treason caused the September 11 Attacks

http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=13

David Duke
National President
European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO)
Former Member of the House of Representatives
State of Louisiana, United States of America

 

[GhostofJimJess]

This guy reckons he's on the case...

How Israeli terrorism and American treason caused the September 11 Attacks

http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=13

David Duke
National President
European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO)
Former Member of the House of Representatives
State of Louisiana, United States of America

Maybe you should be a little more careful who you align yourself with. Go to bed with dogs and you might wake up with fleas.

David Duke

David Duke was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma, to David H. Duke and Maxine Duke. As an engineer for Shell Oil, the senior Duke frequently moved the family to numerous locations around the world. The Dukes spent a short period living in the Netherlands before they settled in Louisiana. Young David became interested in the white nationalist movement at an early age and joined the Klu Klux Klan in 1967. Duke went on to study at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge and in 1970, he formed a White student group known as the White Youth Alliance. That same year, he made himself known even more by demonstrating in swastika regalia to protest William Kunstler's appearance at Tulane University.

He was involved in the campus ROTC, until he was kicked out due to his radical beliefs. In 1971, he went to Laos to teach English to Laotian military officers and serve on cargo flights for Air America over the course of ten weeks.

Duke returned to LSU, graduating in 1974. He became famous on campus for wearing a Nazi uniform while picketing and holding parties on the anniversary of the birth of Adolf Hitler. The year of his graduation, he formed the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. He attracted attention for trying to modernize the Klan and turn it into a modern nationalist political force. For example, he changed the title of "Grand Wizard" to "National Director" and sported a business suit as opposed to a white robe.

How surprising that the former Grand Wizard of the KKK and Neo-Nazi would want to stick the boots into the Jews.

 

[truth-2-power]

Yo GhostofJimJess, I'm not in bed or aligned with anyone and I take everything with a pinch of salt.

Cheers for the heads up re Duke. Just found that page... I didn't know anything about him. Amazing he is/was in the House of Representatives.

Obviously going by your post - he's a loony.
However, the USS Liberty affair is still brewing today. What do you make of that?

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/

What about all these Gov officials and ex-military guys demanding a new inquiry...

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

Are they all loonies too?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Yo GhostofJimJess, I'm not in bed or aligned with anyone and I take everything with a pinch of salt.

Cheers for the heads up re Duke. Just found that page... I didn't know anything about him. Amazing he is/was in the House of Representatives.

Obviously going by your post - he's a loony.

Yeah, he's a live one alright. The name David Duke has always stuck in my head since I saw an interview with him some twenty years back - might have even been back when Australian current affairs shows on commercial TV had some skerrick of credibility.

In all of this, often we find that some of our ideologies sometimes happen to fall in line with individuals that we would otherwise find very unsavoury. I guess as long as we keep checking ourselves that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Just like the friend of my friend is not necessarily my friend.

 

[truth-2-power]

I guess as long as we keep checking ourselves that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Just like the friend of my friend is not necessarily my friend.

Too true.

What's your view of Gore Vidal? Related to Al Gore I believe. I found this re-911....

Gore Vidal Assured Military Would Prevent Staged Terror
Literary giant says 9/11 allowed to happen, slams Bush administration coup de 'tat of American freedom

Controversial and prolific author, political commentator and essayist Gore Vidal is assured that the military's growing revulsion at the Bush junta's policies would ensure they would try and prevent any false flag staged terror attack, while slamming the end of Habeas Corpus and the administration's coup de 'tat of America on a nationally syndicated radio broadcast.

Vidal blamed the media for abandoning its duty as the fifth estate and watchdog of power monopolies.

"Our greatest difficulty at the moment is that our media is totally corrupted - starting with the New York Times - the media belongs to our rulers."

"In the old days when something ghastly went wrong you could count on journalists writing something about it....there are no voices expressing disagreement, " said Vidal.

the controversial figure also predicted the demise of the Internet in stating, "they'll find a way of wrecking it - they cannot have free speech in the United States because free speech will ultimately define them, name them and describe their crime."

While stopping short of claiming the Bush administration directly carried out 9/11, Vidal was certain that they "let it happen on purpose," citing the head of the Pakistani ISI bankrolling the hijackers while also meeting with U.S. government officials in the week before and on the morning of 9/11.

"What made no sense is that CNN wouldn't follow up on why the fighter planes had not been scrambled and gone up to stop the hijacking - that's the law of the land you don't need the President to order you, you don't need a general - those are your instructions - I know, my father wrote them," said Vidal.

When asked if there should be a new investigation of 9/11 Vidal insisted, "of course there should and a wonderful time to do it would be at the impeachment of Bush - I think you might find everything that we ought to know but do not know."

Asked if the Bush administration would go to the lengths of staging a terror attack to smokescreen their scandals, Vidal stated, "they certainly know how to cry wolf....let's say it was on their minds to stage an event - I don't know how they can do it - luckily for us we the people....they've antagonized the entire military I don't think the military would let them."

Despite his dark outlook on the future of freedom, Vidal hinted at a possible reprieve for America.

"I'm beginning to feel that the tide is turning which is the first twinge of optimism I've felt in a long time."

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Too true.

What's your view of Gore Vidal? Related to Al Gore I believe. I found this re-911....

Gore Vidal Assured Military Would Prevent Staged Terror
Literary giant says 9/11 allowed to happen, slams Bush administration coup de 'tat of American freedom

Controversial and prolific author, political commentator and essayist Gore Vidal is assured that the military's growing revulsion at the Bush junta's policies would ensure they would try and prevent any false flag staged terror attack, while slamming the end of Habeas Corpus and the administration's coup de 'tat of America on a nationally syndicated radio broadcast.

Vidal blamed the media for abandoning its duty as the fifth estate and watchdog of power monopolies.

"Our greatest difficulty at the moment is that our media is totally corrupted - starting with the New York Times - the media belongs to our rulers."

"In the old days when something ghastly went wrong you could count on journalists writing something about it....there are no voices expressing disagreement, " said Vidal.

the controversial figure also predicted the demise of the Internet in stating, "they'll find a way of wrecking it - they cannot have free speech in the United States because free speech will ultimately define them, name them and describe their crime."

While stopping short of claiming the Bush administration directly carried out 9/11, Vidal was certain that they "let it happen on purpose," citing the head of the Pakistani ISI bankrolling the hijackers while also meeting with U.S. government officials in the week before and on the morning of 9/11.

"What made no sense is that CNN wouldn't follow up on why the fighter planes had not been scrambled and gone up to stop the hijacking - that's the law of the land you don't need the President to order you, you don't need a general - those are your instructions - I know, my father wrote them," said Vidal.

When asked if there should be a new investigation of 9/11 Vidal insisted, "of course there should and a wonderful time to do it would be at the impeachment of Bush - I think you might find everything that we ought to know but do not know."

Asked if the Bush administration would go to the lengths of staging a terror attack to smokescreen their scandals, Vidal stated, "they certainly know how to cry wolf....let's say it was on their minds to stage an event - I don't know how they can do it - luckily for us we the people....they've antagonized the entire military I don't think the military would let them."

Despite his dark outlook on the future of freedom, Vidal hinted at a possible reprieve for America.

"I'm beginning to feel that the tide is turning which is the first twinge of optimism I've felt in a long time."

His opinion is no less valid than anyone elses. I'd like to read more - especially what has prompted his recent "twinge of optimism".

You see, t2p, too many people make the assumption that just because an individual such as myself is resistant to a conspiracy theory as extreme as the 9/11 one (or more?!), that we have our head in the sand.

And I'm certainly not naive enough to suggest that our leaders all have sound motives. I believe corruption is rife, and incompetency in government is not far behind it. But these two traits are not really good bedpals in pulling off something as gigantic as a massive scale conspiracy. I also subscribe to the train of thought that says we can over-rate (for want of a better word) what we believe some leaders are capable of.

The plausibility of CTs such as the 9/11 one are dependent on such a massive number of elements perfectly slotting into place that it seems to me mathematically virtually impossible. On one hand they depend on the absolute corruptness of a large group of people (certainly not without pecedent in recent history, I concede), but with all of the other factors harmoniously falling into line. And I guess I play the numbers on such matters. There are too many players who would have to be involved that have too much to lose if and when the scandal ultimately went belly up.

 

[truth-2-power]

You see, t2p, too many people make the assumption that just because an individual such as myself is resistant to a conspiracy theory as extreme as the 9/11 one (or more?!), that we have our head in the sand.

I'm not suggesting you have your head in the sand - by posting in this thread you're not ignoring the issue. I was very resisitant to all these theories for a long time. I haven't come to any conclusion other than, there needs to be a new inquiry.

There are too many players who would have to be involved that have too much to lose if and when the scandal ultimately went belly up.

I'm afraid it has gone belly up.
We all agree the events on the day seemed to go according to a plan. It was accomplished with military precision... all I've seen of AQ is a bunch of rag tag would-be's holding out dated equipment.

I say, some guy in a cave couldn't possibly have executed such a plan. How could he know NORAD would be pre-occupied on the day? Or that all the pieces would fall into place perfectly.

bin hiding said he wasn't responsible for 911 and recently the FBI/CIA said they can't be sure he was.

So, who was responsible and why aren't we looking for the culprit?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I say, some guy in a cave couldn't possibly have executed such a plan. How could he know NORAD would be pre-occupied on the day? Or that all the pieces would fall into place perfectly.

bin hiding said he wasn't responsible for 911 and recently the FBI/CIA said they can't be sure he was.

So, who was responsible and why aren't we looking for the culprit?

In all seriousness, could it be the Russian mafia? Remnants of the former Russian KGB still carrying chips on their shoulder? The Chinese? Are these possibilities any less plausible than OBL, or Mossad, or CIA, or the Bush family?

 

[truth-2-power]

In all seriousness, could it be the Russian mafia? Remnants of the former Russian KGB still carrying chips on their shoulder? The Chinese? Are these possibilities any less plausible than OBL, or Mossad, or CIA, or the Bush family?

Maybe the Russian mafia, but not the KGB.
In an MSNBC interview on Sept. 15, Russian President Putin stated he had ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest possible terms" of imminent assaults on airports and government buildings before the attacks on Sept. 11.

or the Germans...
As reported in the German daily Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung (FAZ) on Sept. 14, the BND warned both the CIA and Israel in June that Middle Eastern terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture."

or the Pakistani's... they warned the US as well.

All the rest are still on the table

Here is rare footage of the WTC7 collapse from street level. You can hear a fireman saying... the building is gonna blow up then a huge explosion just before the collapse. Then you see it collapse from a side angle... at free fall speed... check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M47EakvagQ

 

[oxx]

One of my biggest erks is how Americans say it to be,
"The day that changed the World", when it should be called,
"The day our sh it caught up with us and we got other MFs involved."

Never before has it been more apparent to the masses that the US presidency
is a punch and Judy pantomime whos script is fueled by personal agenda and sustained by a propaganda machine that would make Hitler proud.

 

[truth-2-power]

9/11 wont go away...

This isn't a CT site... check out the readers comments towards the bottom of the page. They sound like honest people with real concerns.

http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/1111/stories/1111_editorial.php

 

[FIGJAM]

9/11 wont go away...

It was about 10 months away before the bump!

 

[truth-2-power]

It's an on going issue. I suppose some ppl might think 9/11 is all done and dusted. They'd be wrong.

 

[camsmith]

People still are going on about this?

Wake up! Islamists over the world want to kill us, they're blowing themselves up in restaurants and cuttings kid's heads off. 9/11 was carried out by the same type of people, for the same reasons.

Do you think its all a setup? Every beheading, every suicide bombing and every IED is being set up by the Americans? Ah the ignorance is infuriating.

 

[Didga]

Do you think its all a setup? Every beheading, every suicide bombing and every IED is being set up by the Americans? Ah the ignorance is infuriating.

No-one is saying every suicide bombing is a set up camsmith

Just certain events like 911 and the Oklahoma city bombing are government sponsored terrorism.

Ignorance of the truth is the root of all evil.

 

[- PC -]

I might bother replying now

Yes I do think this is now relevant given the Democrats control of the House. Whether they look into 11/9 or not is to be determined....but there may be some nervous people in Washington and places elsewhere

 

[volcboy]

I honestly don't think that the Democrats will look into 9/11 any more than the Republicans did (which is not at all) - different name of political parties, same policies and agenda, same corporate backers.

I think that people who look for major political parties to change things will end up disappointed.

 

[FIGJAM]

No-one is saying every suicide bombing is a set up camsmith

Just certain events like 911 and the Oklahoma city bombing are government sponsored terrorism.

Ignorance of the truth is the root of all evil.

And the Bali bombing was done by the CIA. Or didn't you know?!!

 

[camsmith]

No-one is saying every suicide bombing is a set up camsmith

Just certain events like 911 and the Oklahoma city bombing are government sponsored terrorism.

Ignorance of the truth is the root of all evil.

How about the first world trade centre bombing? CIA too?

So now 9/11 is 'government sponsored' you mean the government didn't carry it out themselves?

Ignorance of the truth.. hah.

 

[truth-2-power]

In fact now the dems are in many people will relax and forget about this and other issues. If your interested in the truth behind 911, nows the time to keep the questions coming... and there are many that could be easily answered by the gov, but isn't.

FIGJAM, whether 911 was or wasn't an inside job isn't the main force driving the truth movement. It's gaining momentum because the gov won't answer any of the questions asked by the families of the survivors.

The first question I'd ask is, did the gov actually investigate whether there there were any explosives in towers? Followed by, what do they make of the pics showing a line of core steel columns sliced like butter at 45 degree angles?

FIGJAM... tell us, what's wrong with a few questions? Are we no longer allowed to question... anything?

 

[FIGJAM]

FIGJAM, whether 911 was or wasn't an inside job isn't the main force driving the truth movement. It's gaining momentum because the gov won't answer any of the questions asked by the families of the survivors.

No, the inside job is the main focus. The care factor for families is about as low as it could possibly be, given that CTists can't even admit when they are wrong.

The first question I'd ask is, did the gov actually investigate whether there there were any explosives in towers? Followed by, what do they make of the pics showing a line of core steel columns sliced like butter at 45 degree angles?

Same ol, same ol! Yes they did investigate everything. The carefully took all debris to Staten Island where it was very carefully examined by hundreds of people. No one saw any evidence of explosives.

FIGJAM... tell us, what's wrong with a few questions? Are we no longer allowed to question... anything?

Skepticism is healthy, but you have to be skeptical of your own skepticism. Be observent and pay attention even when the result you're wanting to happen is proven wrong.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

How about the first world trade centre bombing? CIA too?

Naa, FBI.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

 

[camsmith]

Right

Yes, maybe the 'informer' or the 'unnamed F.B.I. supervisor' did it.

Who's Abdul Rahman Yasin then?

 

[The_Eagles]

perthcrow writing 911 like 11/9 just looks stupid.
I know you think you're doing the right thing

 

[- PC -]

perthcrow writing 911 like 11/9 just looks stupid.
I know you think you're doing the right thing

Thanks for that. I am doing the right thing