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Just a heads up kents if you didn't know you can copy & paste you team in one go clicking on this.
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You forgot Luke McDonald as captain.
WaynesWorld19
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Very interesting comparison of ownership numbers ....given there's not a huge difference in trades these days
It was said on a podcast ....Fantasy still looks for value in every position ....whereas SC still thinks about starting keepers at max price
Is the choosing of keepers in SC the old way ...or should we be looking value everywhere
A couple of highly ranked players indicated they only ended up holding 2 players from their original side ??
It was said on a podcast ....Fantasy still looks for value in every position ....whereas SC still thinks about starting keepers at max price
Is the choosing of keepers in SC the old way ...or should we be looking value everywhere
A couple of highly ranked players indicated they only ended up holding 2 players from their original side ??
I actually had prepared something on this point recently. In my opinion, SC is much more like fantasy now than people realise. If you used every trade you could, we would run out of trades in R16 now. This means you can be more aggressive and need to start less keepers. Last year, the only players I kept all year were Gawn, Heeney, Sheezel and Jackson. The rest got flipped. None of those guys were top priced and I finished 460th.
Now to some theory on why I think the Fantasy-esque approach is the better strategy. Let's say everyone puts $1M onto their bench, then teams have $9M on field scoring points to start the season (and to make cash). The aim is to maximise the total points you'll accrue in the early season while still making cash.
Someone like Bont/Butters is unlikely to outperform their priced at figure and is almost guaranteed to not outperform it by 5 or so points. Starting them therefore limits the initial upside of your team and if they do fail (regress 5-10 points) then it is a pretty brutal pick (while not requiring a trade most likely).
Compared to the "value" premos (Tracs, Rozee, Dawson, Cerra etc), these guys are unlikely to go lower than their priced at figure but have the upside to outperform it 5-20+ points in some cases. If they do fail, you are likely going to need to trade them out at their mid-season bye and lose a trade. However, you won't have lost as much from an early point per dollar perspective.
One other point is that every top-line premium you fade increases the chances that there will be great upgrade options for you in the upgrade season. If you fade them all, then there is ~12 or so top line guys in DEF/MID that you have a chance to have a stinker in the early season and drop in cash. Every one of them you own reduces your upgrade options and increases the risk that you have picked the guy that everyone else will get on in R6-10 for much, much cheaper.
Additionally, some of these guys have brutal early schedules.
Sheezel's is honestly ok, but he still has tough matchups from R4-9 and could easily drop in price then.
Bont has a really tough run from Carlton onwards.
Nick's is perhaps the worst combined with an early bye and then his injury status.
Don't have the ruck match ups done yet, but Xerri starts with a really tough run as well.
Have seen a lot of these guys in teams and think that it's worth considering whether you actually should be starting with more than one and, if you are, carefully choosing the players with a good run to avoid your premium being picked up by the field at a 100k discount.
My team for reference (with Butters as the captain option).
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WaynesWorld19
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The image files haven't uploaded (for me anyway) ......great thoughts thoughI actually had prepared something on this point recently. In my opinion, SC is much more like fantasy now than people realise. If you used every trade you could, we would run out of trades in R16 now. This means you can be more aggressive and need to start less keepers. Last year, the only players I kept all year were Gawn, Heeney, Sheezel and Jackson. The rest got flipped. None of those guys were top priced and I finished 460th.
Now to some theory on why I think the Fantasy-esque approach is the better strategy. Let's say everyone puts $1M onto their bench, then teams have $9M on field scoring points to start the season (and to make cash). The aim is to maximise the total points you'll accrue in the early season while still making cash.
Someone like Bont/Butters is unlikely to outperform their priced at figure and is almost guaranteed to not outperform it by 5 or so points. Starting them therefore limits the initial upside of your team and if they do fail (regress 5-10 points) then it is a pretty brutal pick (while not requiring a trade most likely).
Compared to the "value" premos (Tracs, Rozee, Dawson, Cerra etc), these guys are unlikely to go lower than their priced at figure but have the upside to outperform it 5-20+ points in some cases. If they do fail, you are likely going to need to trade them out at their mid-season bye and lose a trade. However, you won't have lost as much from an early point per dollar perspective.
One other point is that every top-line premium you fade increases the chances that there will be great upgrade options for you in the upgrade season. If you fade them all, then there is ~12 or so top line guys in DEF/MID that you have a chance to have a stinker in the early season and drop in cash. Every one of them you own reduces your upgrade options and increases the risk that you have picked the guy that everyone else will get on in R6-10 for much, much cheaper.
Additionally, some of these guys have brutal early schedules.
Sheezel's is honestly ok, but he still has tough matchups from R4-9 and could easily drop in price then.
Bont has a really tough run from Carlton onwards.
Nick's is perhaps the worst combined with an early bye and then his injury status.
Don't have the ruck match ups done yet, but Xerri starts with a really tough run as well.
Have seen a lot of these guys in teams and think that it's worth considering whether you actually should be starting with more than one and, if you are, carefully choosing the players with a good run to avoid your premium being picked up by the field at a 100k discount.
My team for reference (with Butters as the captain option).
blackshadow
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Have edited, hopefully that works!
blackshadow
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Thanks I didn’t factor the bye in at all.
I’m reasonably happy with it as a first iteration - I’ll sit on it for a while and tweak to take account of the bye.
WaynesWorld19
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I see you have Sicily ...he's been in my side most of the PS ....not even HAW supporters (pincrusher ) know how much time he'll spend fwd ....that said, he's not much of a fwd, more a shock move
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How Sicily plays in opening round will be very interesting. If he stays back and scores well a lot will jump on despite the early bye.
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Some of that is surely due to the differences in scoring systems? And how fast the prices change? And how the players are priced at the start of the season.
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Hello all, here is my first draft I threw up the other day, haven't paid attention really and just chose top ownership for basically every rookish priced player. $245k in the kitty
New values have thrown me off a little for who is value and isn't
New values have thrown me off a little for who is value and isn't
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Only rule - 5% minimum ownership.
Champion data rewards high ownership before anyone has to ask why.
I think this would work really well for a starting team but man what a boring way to play.
WaynesWorld19
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It negatively impacts Fantasy players that had an injury plagued prior season ....example; Parish is nowhere the bargain in Fantasy that he is in SC
Bont is comparatively cheaper in Fantasy than SC ....yet his ownership is not reflective of that differential
Nelso
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And also because Champion Data have their favourite players who are scored higher than other players.
Robertio
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Nice team, i see you're going with 4 prem's in the midfield but you have a good spread all round.
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Yeah ... I figure that there is a lot of cash gen potential with the midfield batch this year.
gutsroy
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More interesting q (for me):
How many genuine perma-VC/C options are a must?
How many rookies currently on-field?
Midpricers?
Flicked thru a couple of pages and everyone has Daniel, Macrae, Phillpou etc., feels like half my side is in that bracket, doesn't seem right
How many genuine perma-VC/C options are a must?
How many rookies currently on-field?
Midpricers?
Flicked thru a couple of pages and everyone has Daniel, Macrae, Phillpou etc., feels like half my side is in that bracket, doesn't seem right
rocker_oz33
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Hello woof
I don't how this extra flex player going to work.But I guess they need to be a decent type of player.
Heard ppl going an extra ruck, mid,Def type.
rocker_oz33
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Helmet ,mac and philpoo are all fwds.
Options and cheap everyone will have 2 out of 3 of them...
rocker_oz33
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That's what you get for blelting one out..Looking at your side 3 secs after posting…
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gutsroy
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Sass maaate... howyagoon mate?Hello woof
I don't how this extra flex player going to work.But I guess they need to be a decent type of player.
Heard ppl going an extra ruck, mid,Def type.
Yeah, probs big Flynny, just whacked TJ the DJ in there for a minute.
If there's a cut price ruck, that's msh boy in the flex
gutsroy
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Who are your genuine VC / C types?
Bont? Big Cherries?
