List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[Simbatheking21]

Any word on a morris extension? Love to keep him long term

 

[Denno]

We have some promising guys in the VFL who I would prefer we continue to bring on rather than buy someone like Allen.

Suspect you're on your own there.

If we have the option of a (potentially elite, fitness and form permitting) key forward landing in our lap via FA, we'd be mad not to pursue it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

We have some promising guys in the VFL who I would prefer we continue to bring on rather than buy someone like Allen.

Somebody rates Brandon Ryan and Darcy Gardiner

 

[Denno]

Suspect you're on your own there.

If we have the option of a (potentially elite, fitness and form permitting) key forward landing in our lap via FA, we'd be mad not to pursue it.

Sorry to re-quote myself, but appears you aren't alone!

I think he's a clear upgrade on anything we have in the 2's. With salary caps going up, Joe gone, it's not going to break the bank.

I can't see us walking away (if we are in fact up to our eyeballs).

 

[martinson]

How quickly everyone's lost faith in Sam.

I'm all for anyone who's tall enough to play KPF , can ruck a bit , capable of 40+ goals , buys in to the team first culture and is good to go for at least 3 to 4 years.

 

[martinson]

I saw Allen interviewed after the Mitchell story broke.

The boy is clearly traumatised. No wonder he's not playing well or even turning up.

Whether he's an injury risk or how good he actually is I've got no idea, but there's no way he's going to be playing good footy right now.

 

[rye]

Very interesting that Mitch Cleary started randomly talking about the Daniher comparison with Allen last week - and the specific changes to the compo formula that you can't just give them a 3 year deal, get band 1 compo and do a later extension with much cheaper value.

Would not be that surprised if it ends up in a situation where Allen doesn't generate band 1 compo and WCE have to think about having to match to force a trade - but a trade where there isn't much prospect of better value than an end of round 1 compo pick.

the afl will ensure wce get band 1 if he is to leave

 

[pod17]

the afl will ensure wce get band 1 if he is to leave

Spot on. The secret herbs and spices calculation that shall never be revealed to ensure compensation suits the needs of the day…

 

[Johnny Bananas]

What's the right price? I personally don't think he's much better than what we have, have coming.

He's better than both Morris and Gallop at this stage, plus he can ruck. I'd rather not rely on Gallop out of the gates, 3-4 years developing will be good for him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I saw Allen interviewed after the Mitchell story broke.

The boy is clearly traumatised. No wonder he's not playing well or even turning up.

Whether he's an injury risk or how good he actually is I've got no idea, but there's no way he's going to be playing good footy right now.

The comparisons to Joe continue to grow.

I remember the year before Joe came here, he was sitting at Essendon looking completely unmotivated, a shadow of the force he was a few years prior when he kicked 65 in a season. And he lost most of three seasons due to injury. It's easy to say with hindsight that we got a steal, but it was a real doubt whether he could ever recapture his mojo and remain injury free.

Allen is not as talented as Joe was, but the risks around Allen actually look smaller to me. West Coast are a basket case of a club who have publicly hung him out to dry, so it's a lot easier to understand his disinterest than it was for Joe at the time. And he's only lost a year and a half to injury, less than Joe did. I'd be happy getting him.

 

[briztoon]

I saw Allen interviewed after the Mitchell story broke.

The boy is clearly traumatised. No wonder he's not playing well or even turning up.

Whether he's an injury risk or how good he actually is I've got no idea, but there's no way he's going to be playing good footy right now.

I think West Coast’s playing group is broken.

Yeo talking in the media about how it’s hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Hough breaking down live, in to tears in a post game interview.

Waterman talking in an interview, that their young players don’t know what proper training standards are for a professional AFL player.

McGovern talking on his own podcast, about meeting Ross Lyon back in 2018, trying to provide a defence for Allen.

 

[pod17]

He's better than both Morris and Gallop at this stage, plus he can ruck. I'd rather not rely on Gallop out of the gates, 3-4 years developing will be good for him.

Agreed. What Morris has been delivering is extremely rare. We can’t expect Gallop to have the same trajectory.

I’m not overly keen on Allen, but at worst in our side (and fit) he would be good for 35-40 goals. There is a 99% probability that is better than anything else we could leverage without expending too much draft capital (pending our appetite to dip our toes in the Jamarra pool).

 

[Mr Ripper]

player.

McGovern talking on his own podcast, about meeting Ross Lyon back in 2018, trying to provide a defence for Allen.

Are you sure that wasn't ZoBlitz 's podcast?

 

[Section 5]

He's better than both Morris and Gallop at this stage, plus he can ruck. I'd rather not rely on Gallop out of the gates, 3-4 years developing will be good for him.

Morris turns 20 in May and has so much more upside than Allen who turned 26 in March.
In my opinion Morris is playing better than Allen this year with a lot less TOG.
I understand one is in a good side the other in a bad side.
Retaining Morris is a priority for the Lions.

Player Statistics Comparison Year 2025​

Logan Morris​ Name​ Oscar Allen​ Brisbane Lions​ Team​ West Coast Eagles​ Forward​ Position​ Forward​ 24​ Career Games​ 98​ Western Jets​ Origin​ West Perth​ May 10, 2005​ Date of Birth​ March 19, 1999​ 19yr 11mth​ Age​ 26yr 0mth​ 191cm​ Height​ 196cm​ 90kg​ Weight​ 96kg​ 2023 National Draft​ Last Drafted In​ 2017 National Draft​ Round 2, Pick #31​ Last Draft Position​ Round 2, Pick #21​ Brisbane Lions​ Last Drafted By​ West Coast Eagles​ 2025​ Stats for Season​ 2025​ 5​ Games​ 5​ 31​ Kicks​ 28​ 18​ Handballs​ 8​ 49​ Disposals​ 36​ 17​ Marks​ 18​ 11​ Goals​ 4​ 2​ Behinds​ 2​ 13​ Tackles​ 13​ 0​ Hitouts​ 0​ 10​ Inside 50s​ 11​ 3​ Goal Assists​ 1​ 5​ Frees For​ 4​ 2​ Frees Against​ 4​ 21​ Contested Possessions​ 12​ 28​ Uncontested Possessions​ 26​ 33​ Effective Disposals​ 22​ 67.3%​ Disposal Efficiency %​ 61.1%​ 10​ Clangers​ 14​ 5​ Contested Marks​ 2​ 9​ Marks Inside 50​ 5​ 0​ Clearances​ 1​ 0​ Rebound 50s​ 1​ 4​ One Percenters​ 13​ 1​ Bounces​ 0​ 372​ Time On Ground %​ 454​ 0​ Centre Clearances​ 0​ 0​ Stoppage Clearances​ 1​ 22​ Score Involvements​ 9​ 814​ Meters Gained​ 806​ 9​ Turnovers​ 13​ 0​ Intercepts​ 3​ 4​ Tackles Inside 50​ 3​

 

[Nathan Barley]

Morris turns 20 in May and has so much more upside than Allen who turned 26 in March.
In my opinion Morris is playing better than Allen this year with a lot less TOG.
I understand one is in a good side the other in a bad side.
Retaining Morris is a priority for the Lions.

Player Statistics Comparison Year 2025​

Logan Morris​ Name​ Oscar Allen​ Brisbane Lions​ Team​ West Coast Eagles​ Forward​ Position​ Forward​ 24​ Career Games​ 98​ Western Jets​ Origin​ West Perth​ May 10, 2005​ Date of Birth​ March 19, 1999​ 19yr 11mth​ Age​ 26yr 0mth​ 191cm​ Height​ 196cm​ 90kg​ Weight​ 96kg​ 2023 National Draft​ Last Drafted In​ 2017 National Draft​ Round 2, Pick #31​ Last Draft Position​ Round 2, Pick #21​ Brisbane Lions​ Last Drafted By​ West Coast Eagles​ 2025​ Stats for Season​ 2025​ 5​ Games​ 5​ 31​ Kicks​ 28​ 18​ Handballs​ 8​ 49​ Disposals​ 36​ 17​ Marks​ 18​ 11​ Goals​ 4​ 2​ Behinds​ 2​ 13​ Tackles​ 13​ 0​ Hitouts​ 0​ 10​ Inside 50s​ 11​ 3​ Goal Assists​ 1​ 5​ Frees For​ 4​ 2​ Frees Against​ 4​ 21​ Contested Possessions​ 12​ 28​ Uncontested Possessions​ 26​ 33​ Effective Disposals​ 22​ 67.3%​ Disposal Efficiency %​ 61.1%​ 10​ Clangers​ 14​ 5​ Contested Marks​ 2​ 9​ Marks Inside 50​ 5​ 0​ Clearances​ 1​ 0​ Rebound 50s​ 1​ 4​ One Percenters​ 13​ 1​ Bounces​ 0​ 372​ Time On Ground %​ 454​ 0​ Centre Clearances​ 0​ 0​ Stoppage Clearances​ 1​ 22​ Score Involvements​ 9​ 814​ Meters Gained​ 806​ 9​ Turnovers​ 13​ 0​ Intercepts​ 3​ 4​ Tackles Inside 50​ 3​

And if Allen was playing for us this year and Morris for them would you expect the same stats?

 

[Tom14]

Agreed. What Morris has been delivering is extremely rare. We can’t expect Gallop to have the same trajectory.

I’m not overly keen on Allen, but at worst in our side (and fit) he would be good for 35-40 goals. There is a 99% probability that is better than anything else we could leverage without expending too much draft capital (pending our appetite to dip our toes in the Jamarra pool).

I'm pro recruiting Allen but the risk is the financial impact on our salary cap and the impact on the payment structure, particularly if he stays injured.

It is something I'd be willing to gamble with to try get another flag before Lachie retires, but at the end of the day I don't have any information and I'm not the one accountable for the decision.

 

[martinson]

I think West Coast’s playing group is broken.

Yeo talking in the media about how it’s hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Hough breaking down live, in to tears in a post game interview.

Waterman talking in an interview, that their young players don’t know what proper training standards are for a professional AFL player.

McGovern talking on his own podcast, about meeting Ross Lyon back in 2018, trying to provide a defence for Allen.

It was hard to watch Allen being put up there being so totally uncomfortable, nervous and to be frank close to tears.

Whose idea was that ?

Looks like a total breakdown across the club and the players are just going through the motions.

 

[pod17]

I'm pro recruiting Allen but the risk is the financial impact on our salary cap and the impact on the payment structure, particularly if he stays injured.

It is something I'd be willing to gamble with to try get another flag before Lachie retires, but at the end of the day I don't have any information and I'm not the one accountable for the decision.

Salary definitely has to be a key consideration. I’m not sure what we are paying Doedee, but that was another risky prospect with talent we secured that hasn’t come off yet.

If we were to be holding two of those types of contracts for players, and Allen was also unable to get on the park it would be a big concern.

That said we’ve been largely responsible in our list management, and I doubt we’d get sucked into a bidding war with say Hawthorn. In fact, I think that media blow out might work in our favour with Allen wanting a break from that sort of scrutiny. Hopefully the appeal to join a successful club, and to a lesser extent contract length, are his major factors if he chooses to join us.

 

[Lace Out]

It was hard to watch Allen being put up there being so totally uncomfortable, nervous and to be frank close to tears.

Whose idea was that ?

Looks like a total breakdown across the club and the players are just going through the motions.

Looked like Worsfold’s idea going by the grin on his face

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Morris turns 20 in May and has so much more upside than Allen who turned 26 in March.
In my opinion Morris is playing better than Allen this year with a lot less TOG.

Great, but neither of those things are what I was saying. Of course a 20 year old has more upside than a 26 year old, and a player in good form is playing better than one in bad form. My point is that form is temporary and class is permanent. Allen is struggling right now but he's proven he's capable of kicking 50 in a season, something Morris has yet to do, though I hope he gets there this year. If I were to say who is a better player at this point if both were in top form, the answer would be Allen. But we don't have to choose between them fortunately, we can have both.

 

[braddsey]

Great, but neither of those things are what I was saying. Of course a 20 year old has more upside than a 26 year old, and a player in good form is playing better than one in bad form. My point is that form is temporary and class is permanent. Allen is struggling right now but he's proven he's capable of kicking 50 in a season, something Morris has yet to do, though I hope he gets there this year. If I were to say who is a better player at this point if both were in top form, the answer would be Allen. But we don't have to choose between them fortunately, we can have both.

Absolutely. We're not looking to bring in Allen to replace Morris, he's replacing the position left by Joe's departure.
Morris is effectively filling the position vacated by McStay, Gunston, and filled by Gardiner until he did his ACL.

 

[BuntonRules]

Great, but neither of those things are what I was saying. Of course a 20 year old has more upside than a 26 year old, and a player in good form is playing better than one in bad form. My point is that form is temporary and class is permanent. Allen is struggling right now but he's proven he's capable of kicking 50 in a season, something Morris has yet to do, though I hope he gets there this year. If I were to say who is a better player at this point if both were in top form, the answer would be Allen. But we don't have to choose between them fortunately, we can have both.

McMorris has well proven he is capable of kicking 50 in a season.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

McMorris has well proven he is capable of kicking 50 in a season.

Okay, let's see him actually do it before declaring he's better than Allen. He's averaging 2.2 goals a game so far, which is a great start, and I hope he builds on it.

Regardless, think about how much more dangerous Morris would be if defences were sending their third best tall defender to him again.

 

[Nuggo]

Can the Lions fix Allen's knee and the trauma of playing for West Coast? Those are the only two reasons you would not try and get him.

 

[Sunny Land]

Can the Lions fix Allen's knee and the trauma of playing for West Coast? Those are the only two reasons you would not try and get him.

Do you know the lad? Your comment above tells me you do, otherwise how do you know so much about him or is that your opinion on what needs fixing?